Iran - How Far Will they Push?

[falxori 0]

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if you have been reading my posts for the last 4 fucking years you will realize that I am NOT a big Bush Fan..

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Brazillian or bald?

good one...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[Darius11 12]

Nothing can make Iran be the good guy right?
No matter what. Even when at least one of the sailors have admitted and apologized for being in Iranian waters………………..Oh yea that’s bull shit only what Fox news says is true.

You guys are just fucking incredible.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rehmwa 2]

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A 'gift'? What a fucking humanitarian.

From their perspective they are.
1 - they figured out (or knew all along) that they were wrong
2 - they are absolutely unable to admit it, so they have to pretend until they die that the Brits are guilty
3 - normally, they'd have to punish the Brits in order to appear 'infallible'. This allows them to release the Brits but not admit their error.
4 - not admit the error is the important thing. None of this is about honesty, it's all about ego

edit: D - thanks for the incredible comment. I think you are pretty neat too.

they did the right thing, it's just that it had to be dressed up so no one loses face - I guess it depends on what's important to you to decide if that makes them good guys or not

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[beowulf 1]

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Nothing can make Iran be the good guy right?
No matter what. Even when at least one of the sailors have admitted and apologized for being in Iranian waters………………..Oh yea that’s bull shit only what Fox news says is true.

You guys are just fucking incredible.

Considering Iran's history, why would you think they are the good guy?

[billvon 2,989]

>None of this is about honesty, it's all about ego

Actually, I think it's about getting some british sailors returned safely. I don't much care if MA is doing it because of his ego, or because he's honest, or because he thought the Flying Spaghetti Monster told him to do it. The important thing is that they've been returned, and precedent has been set that such people DO get returned, for whatever stupid reason they come up with.

[rehmwa 2]

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Actually, I think it's about getting some british sailors returned safely. I don't much care .... whatever stupid reason they come up with

machiavellian today?

I agree. However, it's still fair game to point out the ridiculous of the publicly stated reason. A skeptical culture will laugh and mock at it. Ego based cultures absolutely REQUIRE others to just accept it and not talk about it, no matter how flimsy. So I'm from the first culture

(imagine how hard it is to work engineering with people from certain cultures -

"I think your bridge will collapse. See the corrections in these three calculations?"

"I have 30 years of experience, I stake my reputation that the bridge will stand"

"Sure, no problem, after we shore up this area and this other one it'll be fine"

"How dare you question my ethics and honesty, I challenge you to a duel.)"

"It's not personal, just math it out"

"Well, my design is perfect..... But,..... since it's my birthday, I'll throw you a bone. How about we beef up your two areas just because I'm a really nice guy. And, you need to send a note to the VP noting that I'm the best designer you've ever worked with and that's important for someone like you with such poor engineering skills and bad personal odor - now tell me you are my bitch"

"Whatever you want, as long as they are strengthened. I'm your bitch"

(I think a few of us have been down that road too)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Darius11 12]

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edit: D - thanks for the incredible comment. I think you are pretty neat too.

Aweeeeeeeeeeeeeee how sweet.


I think it’s a great outcome. If we had proof that the Sailors were not in Iranian waters I would agree with you. The fact is we don’t have definitive proof saying either.
Considering how narrow the waterway is I think it is highly likely that a boat could easily drift to Iran side of the waterway.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[dorbie 0]

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Nothing can make Iran be the good guy right?.

It's a bit late for that.

[billvon 2,989]

>However, it's still fair game to point out the ridiculous of the publicly stated reason.

I agree, it's pretty silly. But I'd much rather them come up with some ridiculous reason to release them than execute them under a logical and consistent system of laws.

[rehmwa 2]

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>I agree, it's pretty silly. But I'd much rather them come up with some ridiculous reason to release them than execute them under a logical and consistent system of laws.

But if the charges were made up, then it's not that logical. And execution for trespassing isn't that logical either.....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[dorbie 0]

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edit: D - thanks for the incredible comment. I think you are pretty neat too.

Aweeeeeeeeeeeeeee how sweet.


I think it’s a great outcome. If we had proof that the Sailors were not in Iranian waters I would agree with you. The fact is we don’t have definitive proof saying either.
Considering how narrow the waterway is I think it is highly likely that a boat could easily drift to Iran side of the waterway.

According to you they were released before all this started. According to you men in uniform under their own national flag are spies. Now you're still spinning about location and "drifting"?

[Darius11 12]

Obviously you have some reading comprehension issues that could actually explain a lot.
I explained why I thought they were released even provided links.

Don’t forget reading is fundamental.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

Here is link to a thread you might enjoy

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2744501;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

Have fun

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[dorbie 0]

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Obviously you have some reading comprehension issues that could actually explain a lot.
I explained why I thought they were released even provided links.

Don’t forget reading is fundamental.

Obviously you have issues with the facts, you posted that they were released when this started, you don't even deny it but have the temerity to say I have comprehension issues. Ever since your first phoney propaganda post on this you've been bending over backwards to spin any excuse for Iran's conduct no matter what they do, including suggesting the Brits were spies, despite them being in uniform on a British flagged vessel in Iraqi waters.

You preaching to anyone about comprehension is the pot calling the kettle black.

[billvon 2,989]

Both of you cut it out.

[rehmwa 2]

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Both of you cut it out.

doesn't anyone care about bridge design around here?

geeeeesh

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[Zipp0 1]

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Even when at least one of the sailors have admitted and apologized for being in Iranian waters………………..

What a British hostage says to make sure that his head isn't removed from his body by his captors is not relevant. We'll just wait and see what they sailors say back on British soil.

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You guys are just fucking incredible.

You're doing pretty good with that yourself.

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[dorbie 0]

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Even when at least one of the sailors have admitted and apologized for being in Iranian waters………………..

What a British hostage says to make sure that his head isn't removed from his body by his captors is not relevant. We'll just wait and see what they sailors say back on British soil.

Quite, It is simply incredible that a free thinker would use this "confession" as evidence supporting Iran's position. If anything it indicts Iran over their exploitation of the hostages. If you ever wondered how such men came to rule over a great nation like Persia you need look no further that the willfull credulity characterized by accepting this apology as evidence.

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You guys are just fucking incredible.

You're doing pretty good with that yourself.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Even when at least one of the sailors have admitted and apologized for being in Iranian waters………………..

What a British hostage says to make sure that his head isn't removed from his body by his captors is not relevant. We'll just wait and see what they sailors say back on British soil.

When and if they get there. Let's not forget they already reneged on their promise to release the woman.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if England asks them to keep quiet on the matter and let it go away, unless the truth of how the 'confessions' were coerced is especially bad.

[Darius11 12]

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Obviously you have some reading comprehension issues that could actually explain a lot.
I explained why I thought they were released even provided links.

Don’t forget reading is fundamental.

Obviously you have issues with the facts, you posted that they were released when this started, you don't even deny it but have the temerity to say I have comprehension issues. Ever since your first phoney propaganda post on this you've been bending over backwards to spin any excuse for Iran's conduct no matter what they do, including suggesting the Brits were spies, despite them being in uniform on a British flagged vessel in Iraqi waters.

You preaching to anyone about comprehension is the pot calling the kettle black.

Like I said reading comprehension is a very important. I made a whole post explaining why I said that even provided links. I even said that I made a mistake even said sorry.
Your so busy jumping at a chance to attack without even reading my post or even attempting to understand it.

You can keep bringing up the same shit again I understand you are running out of facts so the one thing you want to attack me on is something I already explained and apologized for.

Meanwhile you have never explained how we could try to say Iran is pushing for war when are whole war machine is out side of Iran’s borders.

You see that is a fact.

Where the UK soldiers were is something that is not fact yet. No one knows for sure.

It is very hypocritical to accuse Iran of being a warmonger when we the US are the ones who have that reputation.

I am done with this thread before Bill bans me again.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[vortexring 0]

That's a pity Darius - I enjoy reading your threads - especially how you try to explain and provide a different objective to somebodies viewpoint.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[Amazon 7]

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The fact is we don’t have definitive proof saying either.
Considering how narrow the waterway is I think it is highly likely that a boat could easily drift to Iran side of the waterway.

Dude I guess you are right.. since it ALL belongs to Iran anyway right???

They were out in the Arabian Gulf... NOT in the waterway... The Iranians put up position one.. most likely where they really did capture the Brits.. then changed their story to suit the whack jobs there.

With GPS.. like I have on my boat I can tell within 10 ft of EXACTLY where I am.... Its important for not fishing across the line... which would get me a $300 fine out at Bouy 10 and the line that runs thru it on the Columbia River. The caught in tight waters does not fly... want to find another story to apologize for, for the completely scrutable Iranians???

[dorbie 0]

I will refrain from responding in detail only because of the moderator's warning which you ignored.