Skyrad 0 #226 April 2, 2007 QuoteHow can people think that we are allowed to invade a country, defy the UN, torture prisoners, hold people captive, topple governments, shoot down civilian air planes, support terrorist when it is convenient, Nit pickerWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #227 April 2, 2007 QuoteI think everyone is losing me on this. Try and find a common point between your communications with "everyone" and "you". You might find the one thing that links it all together and is causing the problem. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #228 April 2, 2007 I don't think anyone took the two boats as any real threat. This whole thing has been cooked up I think for reasons of internal Iranian politics between the hardliners and hotheads and the librals who have been making political ground in recent years. Its interesting that the Irainian President has hardly said anything on the incident. He could use this as a rallying point but has not yet done so. It will be interesting to see how he handles the situation. As for the two officers on the box, one looked forced whilst the other looked like he was doing an audition for a weather spotWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #229 April 2, 2007 Quote Honestly what would we do if we found Iranian sailors in our territory waters? Even better what would we do if there were Iranian solders 100 yard from entering our territory waters how about one mile what would we do? - British make a foray into Iranian waters. Brit track record = peaceful nation with a non-terroristic nature. -Iranians make a foray into British waters. Iranian track record, sort of speaks for itself. Iran gov't headed by a hostage taker Everyone has their opinions..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #230 April 2, 2007 We wouldn't have them on TV giving coerced apologies to the American people for 'violating our waters.' We wouldn't force them to write letters to their families and then post them on State TV (Fox News). I don't support any of the wrongs that may have been committed by the USA or British in the mideast, and neither do I accept the actions of Iran in this case. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #231 April 2, 2007 There is opinion and there is absolute lack of historical knowledge. The UK is anything but a peaceful nation. How many countries has the UK invaded and basically treated the countries own citizens like slaves in the not so distent past? That’s the main problem most don’t know the history and think that the news they receive from these countries is all true. Or they don’t realize how deep the issues are. It is not just about today, or even this decade. The oppressed tend to remember there oppressors, but the oppressors want to forget what they did after they have received the benefits they wished to get.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #232 April 2, 2007 QuoteWe wouldn't have them on TV giving coerced apologies to the American people for 'violating our waters.' We wouldn't force them to write letters to their families and then post them on State TV (Fox News). That doesn't sell advertising space. Here's what we do. We have a weekly show with the hostages living in semi-luxury but, here's the kick - they are in total isolation from the outside world. The hostages are fed randomly constructed information about the outside world and then they are allowed to speak to the camera in a private room. Each week, the hostages get to 'vote' one member out of the house and back home. The last one remaining (we'll bring back all the hostages for a final vote) will get $1,000,000 and 37 virgins. THAT's what FOX would do. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #233 April 2, 2007 We have done the same thing just in the past few years in the Iraq war. So either hold the same standard for all countries or don’t hold any at all. If the Sailors weren’t shown every one would assume the Evil Iranians were torturing them, so when we do see them and they seem ok you mention the Geneva Convention that we don’t listin to our selves. Is there a better definition of hypocrisy?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #234 April 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteGodamn man. Why the fuck are we there in the first place? THAT IS THE BIG PICTURE. IS IT THAT HARD TO COMPERHEND? No disrespect intended. I did boot camp in 78 and told em to kiss my ass. Donno what else to say. I ain't going to INVADE A SOVERIEGN NATION FOR FUKIN OIL TO BENIFIT MY FRIENDS No, the big picture is not the question, "Why are we there?" The big picture question is not what you did in '78. The big picture isn't a question at all. Chew on these facts and place them in proper context, not the enraged-barely-able-to-type-frenzy: FACT: The world's economy, from China to Japan to France to Brazil to Mexico to the UK to Russia to the US, is on a foundation of energy generated from fossil fuels. The world's main source of the cornerstone of our stability is located in the middle-east. Whether by design, consequence or both, the middle-east is no longer able to play a self-sustaining role in the world. It is being over-run by elements that are appealing to the lowest common denominator of suffering to advance an agenda that bodes ill will for the rest of the world. Is it about oil? Yes. Is it that simple? No. Does this mean it's about the whole world? Yes. Right here and now though, these questions don't matter. The time to ask them is when the tap is turned off or shut-off and people around the world can't heat their homes, drive their cars or light their rooms. Ask them then, and find out what the answer may be..."The time to ask them is when the tap is turned off or shut-off and people around the world can't heat their homes, drive their cars or light their rooms. Ask them then, and find out what the answer may be"> And my friend, that is prolly the best solution. Maybe people will wake up and smell the coffee. I for one can sure fend for myself. So you see the USA as having the right to take over the worlds resources? Who the fuck are we GOD?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #235 April 2, 2007 Quote so when we do see them and they seem ok you mention the Geneva Convention ? I did? Where? Go read some of my previous posts(other threads) and you will see that I am no hypocrite on this issue. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #236 April 2, 2007 Quoteperhaps you should think about where YOUR loyalties truely are with. What a sad thing to say. Comments like that make you no different from the current administration in your country. This whole: you are either with us or against us mentality.... sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #237 April 2, 2007 sorry but that didn't cut it..... Iran is a terror nation, led by a terrorist. Cold hard fact. You were correct that Britain has invaded their share, but they had reason. Leave Iran alone long enough, and they will invent some reason to stir the war pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #238 April 2, 2007 Quotesorry but that didn't cut it..... Iran is a terror nation, led by a terrorist. Cold hard fact. You were correct that Britain has invaded their share, but they had reason. Leave Iran alone long enough, and they will invent some reason to stir the war pot. They had a reason? Now that's funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #239 April 2, 2007 QuoteQuotesorry but that didn't cut it..... Iran is a terror nation, led by a terrorist. Cold hard fact. You were correct that Britain has invaded their share, but they had reason. Leave Iran alone long enough, and they will invent some reason to stir the war pot. They had a reason? Now that's funny. WMDs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #240 April 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotesorry but that didn't cut it..... Iran is a terror nation, led by a terrorist. Cold hard fact. You were correct that Britain has invaded their share, but they had reason. Leave Iran alone long enough, and they will invent some reason to stir the war pot. They had a reason? Now that's funny. WMDs What about all the other places they invaded over the years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #241 April 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotesorry but that didn't cut it..... Iran is a terror nation, led by a terrorist. Cold hard fact. You were correct that Britain has invaded their share, but they had reason. Leave Iran alone long enough, and they will invent some reason to stir the war pot. They had a reason? Now that's funny. WMDs What about all the other places they invaded over the years? Liberating from evil dictator. Just go down the list until you get a reason that fits. I've seen it posted here somewhere before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #242 April 2, 2007 QuoteBritain has invaded their share, but they had reason Wow now i understand. It all makes sense now.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #243 April 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteBritain has invaded their share, but they had reason Wow now i understand. It all makes sense now.Quote I will never side w/ a nation that's bent on destroying Israel and has a leader that didn't even believe in the Holocaust? Sorry, but this thread has made a hard right turn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #244 April 2, 2007 Iran can release the hostages at any time, it prefers to parade them on TV. Nobody but Iran has the power to end this crisis. You'll still bleat that the consequences of Iran's actions are unjustified, but every second of every day since the capture they could have averted them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #245 April 2, 2007 QuoteI will never side w/ a nation that's bent on destroying Israel and has a leader that didn't even believe in the Holocaust? Sorry, but this thread has made a hard right turn. Well at least your post proves that you are not a rational person to argue with on the subject of Iran. As you have stated your mind is already made up on unrelated topics therefore Iran is bad no matter what the facts. That is basically what you are saying, and I appreciate the honesty at least this will save me time and energy. Thank you and have a great day I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Beerlight 0 #246 April 2, 2007 Iranian leadership made my mind up for me. Not the other way around. And I like honesty. And don't be getting all mad. It's still a discussion and minds these days are easily changed. Try and change my views. It's tough to change a persons view without some really valid facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #247 April 2, 2007 How are you so sure that they were not in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors were not spies? Do you have inside information or just following your gut? If you don’t like Iran and think they are this “axis of evil” as GWB has presented then your mind is already made up no matter what the facts. If you can not understand why it is hypocritical to say Iran is pushing for war, when we are out side of there borders with guns pointing at them, when it is so obvios that the US has superior military capability I really don’t know what to say to you. This is not one of those arguments where I can see someone’s side and not agree but get where they are coming from. The claim that Iran would push for war or is pushing for war is ridicules. Oh yea I forgot there Muslims and we all want to blow are selves up and kill the infidels. Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaahoooooooooo Akabar. Now where is that red button.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #248 April 2, 2007 i was not mad at all. I love honesty more then anything. You feel the way you do and your mind is made up. Like I just said in the post to Dorbi this is not rocket science. To me this is simple. Iran is not pushing for war we and are allies who are nervous about Iran’s power in the region are pushing for a chance to set Iran back a few hundred years. That is ethically wrong even if it might be right for the US.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #249 April 2, 2007 QuoteHow are you so sure that they were not in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors were not spies? Do you have inside information or just following your gut? These same questions could be asked of you. How are you so sure that they WERE in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors WERE spies? Do you have inside information or just following your gut? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #250 April 2, 2007 QuoteHow are you so sure that they were not in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors were not spies? Because thinking that would be stupid. Would be the lamest, least effective group of spies ever. Why don't I believe they were in Iran? Because they can't keep their story straight, because they refuse to permit consular visits (which is not within their rights for an alledged border incursion on territorial waters), because of their handling since then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next Page 10 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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dorbie 0 #244 April 2, 2007 Iran can release the hostages at any time, it prefers to parade them on TV. Nobody but Iran has the power to end this crisis. You'll still bleat that the consequences of Iran's actions are unjustified, but every second of every day since the capture they could have averted them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #245 April 2, 2007 QuoteI will never side w/ a nation that's bent on destroying Israel and has a leader that didn't even believe in the Holocaust? Sorry, but this thread has made a hard right turn. Well at least your post proves that you are not a rational person to argue with on the subject of Iran. As you have stated your mind is already made up on unrelated topics therefore Iran is bad no matter what the facts. That is basically what you are saying, and I appreciate the honesty at least this will save me time and energy. Thank you and have a great day I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #246 April 2, 2007 Iranian leadership made my mind up for me. Not the other way around. And I like honesty. And don't be getting all mad. It's still a discussion and minds these days are easily changed. Try and change my views. It's tough to change a persons view without some really valid facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #247 April 2, 2007 How are you so sure that they were not in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors were not spies? Do you have inside information or just following your gut? If you don’t like Iran and think they are this “axis of evil” as GWB has presented then your mind is already made up no matter what the facts. If you can not understand why it is hypocritical to say Iran is pushing for war, when we are out side of there borders with guns pointing at them, when it is so obvios that the US has superior military capability I really don’t know what to say to you. This is not one of those arguments where I can see someone’s side and not agree but get where they are coming from. The claim that Iran would push for war or is pushing for war is ridicules. Oh yea I forgot there Muslims and we all want to blow are selves up and kill the infidels. Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaahoooooooooo Akabar. Now where is that red button.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #248 April 2, 2007 i was not mad at all. I love honesty more then anything. You feel the way you do and your mind is made up. Like I just said in the post to Dorbi this is not rocket science. To me this is simple. Iran is not pushing for war we and are allies who are nervous about Iran’s power in the region are pushing for a chance to set Iran back a few hundred years. That is ethically wrong even if it might be right for the US.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #249 April 2, 2007 QuoteHow are you so sure that they were not in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors were not spies? Do you have inside information or just following your gut? These same questions could be asked of you. How are you so sure that they WERE in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors WERE spies? Do you have inside information or just following your gut? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #250 April 2, 2007 QuoteHow are you so sure that they were not in Iran’s waters? How are you so sure that they the sailors were not spies? Because thinking that would be stupid. Would be the lamest, least effective group of spies ever. Why don't I believe they were in Iran? Because they can't keep their story straight, because they refuse to permit consular visits (which is not within their rights for an alledged border incursion on territorial waters), because of their handling since then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
