beowulf 1 #2 April 16, 2007 20 killed is what the headline says, but reading the article it says one dead and 20 wouned. Right now I think it is too early to know what the real count is. It is probably too chaotic for any accurate assesments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #3 April 16, 2007 I fucking hate the media... so quick to get to these things like vultures. Does it really matter that people see whats going on as its happening or shortly after or could it wait a few days when the facts are known... really!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #4 April 16, 2007 >Does it really matter that people see whats going on as its happening >or shortly after or could it wait a few days . . . From what I've seen, people demand to know immediately, and will turn off any channel that is not reporting what they want to see. As usual, the problem is us. The media is merely giving us what we want. We see this all the time in the Incidents forum. People want to know RIGHT NOW who was involved, what the canopy loading was, were they under the influence, what altitude they pulled at etc. This gets so bad that when we delete irrelevant posts (like "that DZO is a jerk") we get accused of censorship, and are asked why we are "covering up" a deadly incident. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #5 April 16, 2007 QuoteWe see this all the time in the Incidents forum. People want to know RIGHT NOW who was involved, I can understand that but the rest can wait in my opinion, until, if you pardon the expression, the dust has settled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #6 April 16, 2007 At Least 20 Killed in Virginia Tech Shooting By Robert E. Pierre Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, April 16, 2007; 12:48 PM At least 20 people were killed this morning at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and University after a shooting spree at two buildings on the campus. The unidentified shooter was among the dead, according to officials, who also said that several were injured in the shootings, at West Ambler Johnston, a dormitory, and Norris Hall, which houses the College of Engineering. Authorities said the first shooting was reported shortly after 7 a.m. "We have a ballpark figure on fatalities," Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum, said at a news conference broadcast by CNN. "It's at least 20 fatalities." Flinchum said he did not know whether the shooter was a student. Some of those killed were in a classroom, he said. "Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," Virginia Tech president Charles Steger said at a news conference. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified that this would befall us."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #7 April 16, 2007 My thoughts are with the families. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTcnix 0 #8 April 16, 2007 We got all got an email from President Steger,... he says we have 22 dead (including the shooter)... there's 28 in hospitals throguhout the county... so sad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #9 April 16, 2007 QuoteWe got all got an email from President Steger,... he says we have 22 dead (including the shooter)... there's 28 in hospitals throguhout the county... so sad BLACKSBURG, Va., , April 16, 2007 (UPI) -- A gunman opened fire on the Virginia Tech campus Monday, killing at least 22 people and injuring 28 others, campus officials in Blacksburg, Va., said. Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said relatives of the "multiple fatalities" were being notified as officials worked to identify the dead and injured from at least two shooting incidents in a residential dorm and a building used for engineering classes. Steger told a news conference he was "shocked and horrified" by the tragedy that began to unfold with a call to campus police at 7:15 a.m. local time reporting the first wave of shootings. Police were on the scene of the shootings in West Ambler Johnston Hall when about two hours later the second wave of shootings was reported at Norris Hall, Steger said. The majority of dead were killed in a classroom, police said. The gunman was among the dead, but it was not immediately known if he died by his own hand, police said. Students were told to stay in dorms and university buildings away from windows and all entrances to the campus were closed off by authorities, the university Web site said. Classes were canceled through Tuesday.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTcnix 0 #10 April 16, 2007 i think its 32 so far... this is the saddest thing.. it's uncomprehensible Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #11 April 16, 2007 Quotei think its 32 so far... this is the saddest thing.. it's uncomprehensible And t thnk it could have been worse..... fortunatley these assfucks aren't well organized, or it could be well into 3 digits. Go to a major campus between classes and there are hundreds of students walking down the outside walkways, a derranged fuck could kill over 100 by himself....scary shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 April 16, 2007 It's scary to think that he might have single-handedly killed so many more if he'd been armed with a knife instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #13 April 16, 2007 I haven't been able to open an news sites (at work), but is there more than 1 shooter involved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 April 16, 2007 QuoteIt's scary to think that he might have single-handedly killed so many more if he'd been armed with a knife instead. It's scary to think that some people actually believe that if the government bans guns, that murderous people won't still be able to get them, or to figure out some other way to kill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #15 April 16, 2007 Quote Quote It's scary to think that he might have single-handedly killed so many more if he'd been armed with a knife instead. It's scary to think that some people actually believe that if the government bans guns, that murderous people won't still be able to get them, or to figure out some other way to kill. I really hate to see this turn into a gun thread, but I have a feeling that the Brady/anti-gun people are going to jump on this like crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #16 April 16, 2007 Quote I really hate to see this turn into a gun thread, but I have a feeling that the Brady/anti-gun people are going to jump on this like crazy. Along with the "pry it from my cold dead fingers" people. This is a historic tragedy. Let's try and keep the armchair quarterbacking and political finger pointing out of the discussion, for now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 April 16, 2007 ? I was just making a point about knives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #18 April 16, 2007 Quote This is a historic tragedy. Let's try and keep the armchair quarterbacking and political finger pointing out of the discussion, for now. Agreed. This just sucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #19 April 16, 2007 Quote Quote Quote It's scary to think that he might have single-handedly killed so many more if he'd been armed with a knife instead. It's scary to think that some people actually believe that if the government bans guns, that murderous people won't still be able to get them, or to figure out some other way to kill. I really hate to see this turn into a gun thread, but I have a feeling that the Brady/anti-gun people are going to jump on this like crazy. Now if we find out that he transported himself there in a SUV, we can have a Brady/anti-gun global warming threesome. I believe the number is 31 with the wacko killing himself or killed by the police making it 32. Damn, I'm suppose to be on a self imposed banning for two weeks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 April 16, 2007 QuoteThis is a historic tragedy. Let's try and keep the armchair quarterbacking and political finger pointing out of the discussion, for now. Then transfer it to Bonfire. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 April 16, 2007 QuoteI believe the number is 31 with the wacko killing himself or killed by the police making it 32. I hate when they add the killer's death to the total count and try to spin it anti-cop. 32 dead - 31 unjustly and savagely, 1 to defend the public ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #22 April 16, 2007 QuoteI hate when they add the killer's death to the total count and try to spin it anti-cop. Don't think it is necessarily anti-cop. People just seemed to be interested in stats and until it is clear whether or not he shot himself, they don't know where to include that death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #23 April 16, 2007 Quote I'm stunned. I'm waiting to see the anti-gun fucksticks jump on this one, whoring the deaths of the innocent to advance their ineffective policies...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 April 16, 2007 QuoteI'm waiting to see the anti-gun fucksticks jump on this one, whoring the deaths of the innocent to advance their ineffective policies... That's one way of looking at it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #25 April 16, 2007 Quote I'm waiting to see the anti-gun fucksticks jump on this one, whoring the deaths of the innocent to advance their ineffective policies... It's a shame that you weren't personally effected by this so that you could understand just how fucking stupid it is to feel like society needs guns. We need guns like we need a massacre like this in every community. Oh.. sorry.. you probably hunt and are worried about personal security. What the fuck ever. I'm worried about innocent people being fucking killed because some jackass feels he is sooooo all important that he needs to have firepower. Give me a fucking break. This is my hometown. I was born and raised in Blacksburg. I've hated guns my entire life. I'm sure the innocent people that were killed would wish that this guy hadn't been able to get his hands on guns. Don't even fucking talk about whoring the deaths of innocents. Guns are bullshit. Get rid of them. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
