wmw999 2,447 #26 April 17, 2007 QuoteJeffrey Dahmer killed people & ate part of their bodies. Do we then say that our society is too permissive on cannibalism?? I used to be on an email list with someone who met him a number of times in prison (she was a death penalty appeal lawyer at the time). She said he was the most mentally ill person she ever met. Not that it made it OK. She saw no reason for him to be in society ever again. The same for most of the people she defended. But she also said that the amount of active abuse many of them had suffered, or the degree of mental illness, was such that it was hard to say they ever had a chance of being normal members of society. Again -- no desire to have them free. But we don't always hold the same criteria up for everyone. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 April 18, 2007 Quoteor the degree of mental illness, was such that it was hard to say they ever had a chance of being normal members of society. There used to be state mental hospitals where people could be sent when they were off their freakin rockers.. but instead.... since so many conservatives in the Reagan Era did not want to foot the bill for others who need help in life.... the hospitals have been closed to save money...instead they live amoung us.. as street people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 April 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteSociety is at fault for allowing crazy people to obtain lethal weapons. And how would you have determined that this quiet young college man with no criminal history would turn out to go "crazy" some day? That's for those who want easy access to guns to determine. Nice dodge.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #29 April 18, 2007 I got an idea, lets turn Don Imus' soon the be defunct ranch for sick kids into a ranch to house all the people that society deems to be a lunatic. The critical part is who gets to pick teams. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #30 April 18, 2007 blame it on the f*cking television.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #31 April 18, 2007 Quote Quote I won't even go into trying to explain it because im not interested, But yet here you are posting away about something you dont have a clue about Well I would say six years of study about society as a whole gives me a clue, atleast enough to make an initial comment on not isolating single causes, which is all I did. But if you want to follow me around trolling you go right ahead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #32 April 18, 2007 Maybe it's the sane people who have been locked up by the insane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #33 April 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteSociety is at fault for allowing crazy people to obtain lethal weapons. Well, you had better complain to God the Creator. Cain murdered Abel at the get go. We couldnt get 4 people on the earth before we started murdering each other. If you are an evolutionist, we need to ban rocks because there was a rash of Cavemen Murders in the Paleocavelithic era. Murder - So easy a caveman could do it. Dont blame spears, rocks, guns, knives. If someone wants to kill someone, they will find a way. carry a bag of stone across a campus without anyone noticing, execute most in a class room so quickly and easly about noone can move or utter even a scream before they drop dead, and do that without any prior practice. Quite a talent in stone throwing I would say. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #34 April 18, 2007 Quote Blame me it's all my fault. After all I am from Canada and I've spent time in the real South Park in Colorado. See the correlation? Hasn't anyone noticed that my head splits in two when I talk. __________________________________ How coincidental... That's what Red Foreman said... "Uh... blame the Canadians!" Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 April 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteor the degree of mental illness, was such that it was hard to say they ever had a chance of being normal members of society. There used to be state mental hospitals where people could be sent when they were off their freakin rockers.. but instead.... since so many conservatives in the Reagan Era did not want to foot the bill for others who need help in life.... the hospitals have been closed to save money...instead they live amoung us.. as street people. __________________________________ I don't know if, it's still done or not but, at a time, some mental patients wre given 'one way' bus tickets to some far-off town. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #36 April 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuotekallend: Society is at fault for allowing crazy people to obtain lethal weapons. JohnRich: And how would you have determined that this quiet young college man with no criminal history would turn out to go "crazy" some day? kallend: That's for those who want easy access to guns to determine. Since that is impossible to do, are you saying that no one should be allowed to own guns, because of what they "might" do in the future? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #37 April 18, 2007 QuoteKallend:Society is at fault for allowing crazy people to obtain lethal weapons. I have been diagnosed Type II Bipolar.Do you think society should let me have a gun?Well, they did.I'm a CHL holder and carry a Norinco 1911A1 .45. Is the world gonna collapse b/c I have a gun?I doubt it.Its not like theyre handing out guns at the pharmacy to everyone with a mental illness.I busted my ass and went through 6 months worth of reviews,medical records,doctor information,medication info. letters from the state Medical Advisory Board with questionaires for me and my doctor etc etc. Most CHLs are awarded within 60 days.Mine took 6 months.So I dont really think society is just passing weapons out to any "crazy" person they find. You should atleast determin what your definition of "crazy" or "mentally ill" are before you start taking away civil liberties.If you think I'm 'crazy' b/c I have a mental disorder then I'd love to meet you and let you decide for yourself.Also, if 'crazy' people (as you describe I'm partly one of them) should be allowed to obtain dangerous weapon, then what about my skydiving?You can kill people jumping too right? "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #38 April 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteSociety is at fault for allowing crazy people to obtain lethal weapons. You should atleast determin what your definition of "crazy" or "mentally ill" are before you start taking away civil liberties... You are replying to a quote from kallend, but you did it by responding to a message from me. I just want it to be clear that I did not say that quote, and I am not the person with whom you have a disagreement. Heck, I even put the name of the person in each quote, so it would be clear who said what in that chain of three messages. And you had to remove that name in order to compose your message as you did. No problem now - I've made it clear to set the record straight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #39 April 18, 2007 Yes John, I knew it wasnt a quote from you,I was just too lazy to go back and find it in the thread so I copied it from your message. I was responding to the thread in general,not to you personally.Pardon me,I'll fix it. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #40 April 18, 2007 >I have been diagnosed Type II Bipolar.Do you think society should let me have a gun? Depends on the illness. I think you'd agree that a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic should not be able to legally buy a weapon. At one end of the extreme, you could make the call by asking whether a person's disease ever makes them irrational or not responsible for their actions. At the other extreme, you could look at the results of having people with X mental disease carry weapons. If they tend to murder people a lot more often, perhaps not such a good idea to sell them weapons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moodyskydiver 0 #41 April 18, 2007 I completely agree with you. "...just an earthbound misfit, I." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperKat 0 #42 April 19, 2007 Quote Blame me it's all my fault. After all I am from Canada and I've spent time in the real South Park in Colorado. See the correlation? Hasn't anyone noticed that my head splits in two when I talk. That is totally brilliant. We always blame the canucks for everything. I'm surprised you were the only one to mention it. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
