leroydb 0 #1 April 19, 2007 Quote "People in Europe feel they need to be protected by the government. People in the U.S. feel they need to be protected from the government," discuss...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 April 19, 2007 You should know better.. this is a Speakers Corner topic. If you want to talk about it go there.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #3 April 19, 2007 ? argh ? ok we'll apease the masses then... please move to the other other forumLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #4 April 19, 2007 The whole world needs to be protected from the US government. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #5 April 19, 2007 oh here we go... the I hate american thought process...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 April 19, 2007 QuoteQuote "People in Europe feel they need to be protected by the government. People in the U.S. feel they need to be protected from the government," discuss... Considering the history of the 20th Century, I'm surprised more Europeans don't feel the need to have protections from their government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #7 April 19, 2007 I read this and was wanting to know what the Eurpeans though and what the americans thought, and why they felt so on their positions. A lot of Americans feel the need to have weapons becuase of our laws... Europeans feel the opposite, but it is also becuase of the laws and how we both were broght up as a society..... next....Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #8 April 19, 2007 Quote Quote Quote "People in Europe feel they need to be protected by the government. People in the U.S. feel they need to be protected from the government," discuss... Considering the history of the 20th Century, I'm surprised more Europeans don't feel the need to have protections from their government. (generally speaking) we're not as paranoid as the average American Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 April 19, 2007 Quote(generally speaking) we're not as paranoid as the average American we haven't felt the need to draw up a constitution that lets us build up small arsenals to defend ourselves from our own government. Indeed. Isn't it weird how many things the American founders did in response to what the government did to the American founders? 1) Freedom of speech and religion. Yeah, they had just fought a bloody war against a king for things like that. 2) Right to bear arms - they'd have still been putting up with it unless they were armed. 3) Freedom from having to quarter soldiers - yeah, we hated feeding and sheltering the government 4) Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure - um, guess what we had before 5) Right to due process of law, free from double jeopardy, etc. 6) Speedy trials and assistance of counsel 7) Right to jury trial 8) No excessive bail or fines, or cruel and unusual punishment I mean, people say, "There oughtta be a law." I guess the forefathers had good reasons, right? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 April 19, 2007 Quote Quote Considering the history of the 20th Century, I'm surprised more Europeans don't feel the need to have protections from their government. (generally speaking) we're not as paranoid as the average American After a century in which more than 100 million Europeans were killed, shouldn't you be a bit more paranoid than the average American? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #11 April 19, 2007 >After a century in which more than 100 million Europeans were killed, >shouldn't you be a bit more paranoid than the average American? Given that we killed a significant fraction of those europeans, perhaps they have a reason to not to want to be like us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #12 April 19, 2007 Just what exactly do you think your own government will try and do to you that you'll need a gun for? if you feel threatened by your own government, enough to feel in fear of your life... do you really think something as powerful as your government can be stopped by you owning a little pistol? why not just vote them out of office if you feel threatened enough by them that you need a gun to protect yourself from them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #13 April 19, 2007 mind you.... if i lived under the reign of "dubya" i'd buy a gun to try and protect myself too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #14 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote (generally speaking) we're not as paranoid as the average American we haven't felt the need to draw up a constitution that lets us build up small arsenals to defend ourselves from our own government. Indeed. Isn't it weird how many things the American founders did in response to what the government did to the American founders? 1) Freedom of speech and religion. Yeah, they had just fought a bloody war against a king for things like that. 2) Right to bear arms - they'd have still been putting up with it unless they were armed. 3) Freedom from having to quarter soldiers - yeah, we hated feeding and sheltering the government 4) Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure - um, guess what we had before 5) Right to due process of law, free from double jeopardy, etc. 6) Speedy trials and assistance of counsel 7) Right to jury trial 8) No excessive bail or fines, or cruel and unusual punishment I mean, people say, "There oughtta be a law." I guess the forefathers had good reasons, right? Yet stangely enough we are still under the monarchy and have ALL those freedoms and more. Maybe they just didnt like you lotYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 April 20, 2007 Quote>After a century in which more than 100 million Europeans were killed, >shouldn't you be a bit more paranoid than the average American? Given that we killed a significant fraction of those europeans, perhaps they have a reason to not to want to be like us. horseshit - we didn't come remotely close to a significant fraction, and we certainly didn't start either of the two big wars. The Europeans killed themselves without any help, be it the Turks going after the Armenians at the beginning of the century, or the former residents of Yugoslavia killing each other. In between the Russians held a third of Europe hostage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
willard 0 #16 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote "People in Europe feel they need to be protected by the government. People in the U.S. feel they need to be protected from the government," discuss... Considering the history of the 20th Century, I'm surprised more Europeans don't feel the need to have protections from their government. (generally speaking) we're not as paranoid as the average American Our country was founded largley by those who fled oppression by governments of Europe. No ruler here ever murdered 6 million of their own citizens. No person has ever been put to death here by the government because they refused to subscribe to the "official" government religion or, for that matter, because they even had a religion. Can't say that about most European countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #17 April 20, 2007 QuoteJust what exactly do you think your own government will try and do to you that you'll need a gun for? The same thing that I think a mugger would do to me if he knew I was armed. Nothing. Mabe had the Irish had similar gun ownership, the Black and Tans would have been a little nicer. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #18 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuote>After a century in which more than 100 million Europeans were killed, >shouldn't you be a bit more paranoid than the average American? Given that we killed a significant fraction of those europeans, perhaps they have a reason to not to want to be like us. horseshit - we didn't come remotely close to a significant fraction, and we certainly didn't start either of the two big wars. Who said anything about starting them and yes you did a significant amount, namely through carpet bombing civilians. Unless there is a source this quote seems (because I have read it before) invented to bolster the swelled heads of Americans who need to own every type of high powered assualt rifle on earth. Europeans have very little faith in their government just as all people the world over do (and should) and if you look at grass roots organizations, socialist/communist/anarchist organizations and the ability for mass protest and rioting in Europe at the drop of a hat you would not even need to ask wether to take the quote seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #19 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteJust what exactly do you think your own government will try and do to you that you'll need a gun for? The same thing that I think a mugger would do to me if he knew I was armed. Nothing. Mabe had the Irish had similar gun ownership, the Black and Tans would have been a little nicer. repeat after me "i'm not paranoid, i know you all think i am though" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #20 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote Just what exactly do you think your own government will try and do to you that you'll need a gun for? The same thing that I think a mugger would do to me if he knew I was armed. Nothing. Mabe had the Irish had similar gun ownership, the Black and Tans would have been a little nicer. you actually think the only reason your own government is not trying to kill you is the fact you all own guns? fucking priceless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #21 April 20, 2007 Quoteyou actually think the only reason your own government is not trying to kill you is the fact you all own guns? fucking priceless Hitler with the Jews was probably thinking the same thing. PRICELESS!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #22 April 20, 2007 So you actually do think that you having weapons is any sort of deterrent for the government? Priceless. First of all, if that was any threat to the government, guns would be outlawed right away since you have given the power to the government to legislate as they see fit. Second, they don´t need to take away your guns because not only they have bigger and better guns but also because they have a much better weapon. The media. And lastly, the media is such a wonderful weapon because although the U.S brags so much about "free speech" the media will not use it, and thru partisanship has you all controlled and disinformed. Enjoy your guns... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 April 20, 2007 QuoteSo you actually do think that you having weapons is any sort of deterrent for the government? Priceless. First of all, if that was any threat to the government, guns would be outlawed right away since you have given the power to the government to legislate as they see fit. What do you think the Brady bunch and their toadies on the Left are trying to do? QuoteSecond, they don´t need to take away your guns because not only they have bigger and better guns but also because they have a much better weapon. The media. The British had more and better guns than the Continental Army, too...and we know how that came out. QuoteAnd lastly, the media is such a wonderful weapon because although the U.S brags so much about "free speech" the media will not use it, and thru partisanship has you all controlled and disinformed. That's why there are more and more alternative news sites and commentary sites popping up all the time... Quote Enjoy your guns... Thanks, I shall...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #24 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote you actually think the only reason your own government is not trying to kill you is the fact you all own guns? fucking priceless Hitler with the Jews was probably thinking the same thing. PRICELESS! what the fuck has Hitler got to do with 21st centuary America? Do you seriously think your government might start mass genocide of it's own people and the only reason it isn't is because it's population might form into merry little bands of militia, all roaming around with their precious little pistols? I really can't believe i'm reading this..... i knew the average American was a gun nut paranoid, but this is taking the piss big time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote you actually think the only reason your own government is not trying to kill you is the fact you all own guns? fucking priceless Hitler with the Jews was probably thinking the same thing. PRICELESS! what the fuck has Hitler got to do with 21st centuary America? Do you seriously think your government might start mass genocide of it's own people and the only reason it isn't is because it's population might form into merry little bands of militia, all roaming around with their precious little pistols? I really can't believe i'm reading this..... i knew the average American was a gun nut paranoid, but this is taking the piss big time April 19, 1993 - look it up.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
