Axe_Murderer 0 #1 April 20, 2007 Does anybody on here think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? just in case a crazy gunman comes in and tries to kill them? I think it would be a good idea, i can't wait for news reports of mass shoot outs in class because somebody steals somebody elses chair or something I think the unfortunate carnage caused by petty arguments that escalate in to class warfare are a price worth paying for that one in a million time a crazy gunman comes and starts popping caps in arses Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #2 April 20, 2007 Projecting again, I see... how'd that 'criminal enablement zone' work out for ya at Dunblane, again?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #3 April 20, 2007 No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. BTW those are the same arguements that people used to appose CCW laws. They proved wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #4 April 20, 2007 No way in hell should any student be allowed to carry a gun onto any school campus. Leave that job to the cops. Or perhaps, a specially trained school marshall (like those air marshalls) whose gun will only fire when it recognizes its owner's grip with that newfangled technology so nobody else can use it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Axe_Murderer 0 #5 April 20, 2007 QuoteProjecting again, I see... how'd that 'criminal enablement zone' work out for ya at Dunblane, again? it's yes or no, do you think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #6 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteProjecting again, I see... how'd that 'criminal enablement zone' work out for ya at Dunblane, again? it's yes or no, do you think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? If they can legally qualify for concealed carry...absolutely.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Axe_Murderer 0 #7 April 20, 2007 Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #8 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant Good point. Even if you have a concealed weapon on your body, you'd still need eyes in the back of your head to catch anybody sneaking up from behind to whack you before you have a chance to draw the weapon. Which is why I favor the new gun technology that will only fire when held by the owner, as I mentioned earlier. Expensive yes, but could be worth it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #9 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant silly boy. I thought you were talking about all of the students carrying a gun. So if the assailant stole one guy's gun, the rest of 'em could shoot his ass dead. Makes sense to me.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Axe_Murderer 0 #10 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant silly boy. I thought you were talking about all of the students carrying a gun. So if the assailant stole one guy's gun, the rest of 'em could shoot his ass dead. Makes sense to me. yes, makes sense to me too I hope they can catch any classroom gunfights on camera... would be better than High Noon ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #11 April 20, 2007 Kindergarten, no Grade school, no High school, no (the above 3 are all minors) College and beyond, it's nobody's business if someone is legally carrying "legally carrying" does NOT equate to "all students" as you guys continue to misrepresent. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Axe_Murderer 0 #12 April 20, 2007 Quote Kindergarten, no Grade school, no High school, no (the above 3 are all minors) College and beyond, it's nobody's business if someone is legally carrying "legally carrying" does NOT equate to "all students" as you guys continue to misrepresent. it's not hard to see why your country is going down the shitter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #13 April 20, 2007 QuoteDoes anybody on here think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? just in case a crazy gunman comes in and tries to kill them? Why do you think that this is an all or nothing deal? Do you have to put into those terms, as the only way you can possibly have a decent argument against it? All airline pilots don't carry guns in the cockpit. But some of them now do, because of the threat to airline safety since 9/11/01. They volunteered for that service, qualified for it, and are specially trained to do it. And because the terrorists can't know which planes have armed pilots and which don't, it serves as a deterrent to hijackings on all planes. There's no reason why the same kind of program can't be applied to schools, with teachers, for example. And just think of all the combat veterans who come home from the war, and go to college. They're already trained and disciplined. Instead of arguing against "all", try arguing against "nobody". That's a lot tougher, eh? Do you think that police officers on campus should be unarmed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #14 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote Kindergarten, no Grade school, no High school, no (the above 3 are all minors) College and beyond, it's nobody's business if someone is legally carrying "legally carrying" does NOT equate to "all students" as you guys continue to misrepresent. it's not hard to see why your country is going down the shitter yeah, respecting the rights of the individual is a crappy concept, comrade ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #15 April 20, 2007 Quote Does anybody on here think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? just in case a crazy gunman comes in and tries to kill them? No, all students shouldn't be allow to. Those students w/a CHL should be able to. If I'm trustworthy enough to carry anywhere else in public, why should I not be allowed to on a college campus? Quote I think it would be a good idea, i can't wait for news reports of mass shoot outs in class because somebody steals somebody elses chair or something Alot of anti-gun people said all the CHL people would be shooting each other over parking spots, etc.. It simply hasn't happened. Quote I think the unfortunate carnage caused by petty arguments that escalate in to class warfare are a price worth paying for that one in a million time a crazy gunman comes and starts popping caps in arses I think the odds of a nut shooting up a school are much higher than a CHL holder doing so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #16 April 20, 2007 No for the ones that are ever bullied No for the ones that ever bully... um... anyone left can have a gun.... Oh look, no one left. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #17 April 20, 2007 Quote No way in hell should any student be allowed to carry a gun onto any school campus. That'd be great if it was actually possible to prevent people from having a gun on campus, but history has shown that laws attempting to prevent such only stop law-abiding citizens from bringing them on campus. People that are going to use them will have them anyway. Quote Leave that job to the cops. Or perhaps, a specially trained school marshall (like those air marshalls) whose gun will only fire when it recognizes its owner's grip with that newfangled technology so nobody else can use it. Leaving it to the cops has proven to work well in the past. I can't imagine such a firearm ever being reliable enough to trust that it would work when you need it to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Axe_Murderer 0 #18 April 20, 2007 So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #19 April 20, 2007 Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? "to the average Brit" being the operative term....-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #20 April 20, 2007 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #21 April 20, 2007 Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? Cross posted from another thread: I don't think anybody is calling for arming MORE people. What we're calling for it the right for people who already have a proven track record of carrying concealed firearms without incident--current concealed handgun license holders--to be allowed to carry on college campuses, the same way they do everywhere else. CHL holders aren't causing problems outside of college campuses, and they won't causes problems on college campuses. If a shooting breaks out, they may or may not die, and they may or may not be able to stop it, but at least they won't be left helpless because their guns are across the street in their cars. The notion that allowing these people to carry on campus would lead to an increased number of incidents or that they would be unable to respond under duress or that they would only escalate an already dangerous situation is simply not supported the observable facts and statistics of these same people carry outside of college campuses.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #22 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant If you're suggesting someone would jump them just to take the gun, you seem to be missing the point of a CONCEALED handgun. If it's concealed, nobody should know they have it, so nobody should have the motivation to try to steal it. If you're suggesting that somebody is going to randomly mug someone who happens to be carrying a gun, take the gun, and then decide, "What the hell--I'll just shoot everybody," that's ridiculous.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #23 April 20, 2007 QuoteAlot of anti-gun people said all the CHL people would be shooting each other over parking spots, etc.. It simply hasn't happened. There is a notion among the anti-gun crowd that the average person frequently gets angry enough that he or she would kill someone if he or she had easy access to a firearm. This simply isn't supported by the evidence. Most CHL holders actually respect the grave responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm and have a deep appreciation for the sanctity of life.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #24 April 20, 2007 Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? And you wonder how we kicked your asses in the big one! We're gun nuts, mate! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Axe_Murderer 0 #25 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? 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mnealtx 0 #2 April 20, 2007 Projecting again, I see... how'd that 'criminal enablement zone' work out for ya at Dunblane, again?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #3 April 20, 2007 No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. BTW those are the same arguements that people used to appose CCW laws. They proved wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 April 20, 2007 No way in hell should any student be allowed to carry a gun onto any school campus. Leave that job to the cops. Or perhaps, a specially trained school marshall (like those air marshalls) whose gun will only fire when it recognizes its owner's grip with that newfangled technology so nobody else can use it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #5 April 20, 2007 QuoteProjecting again, I see... how'd that 'criminal enablement zone' work out for ya at Dunblane, again? it's yes or no, do you think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 April 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteProjecting again, I see... how'd that 'criminal enablement zone' work out for ya at Dunblane, again? it's yes or no, do you think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? If they can legally qualify for concealed carry...absolutely.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #7 April 20, 2007 Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #8 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant Good point. Even if you have a concealed weapon on your body, you'd still need eyes in the back of your head to catch anybody sneaking up from behind to whack you before you have a chance to draw the weapon. Which is why I favor the new gun technology that will only fire when held by the owner, as I mentioned earlier. Expensive yes, but could be worth it."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #9 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant silly boy. I thought you were talking about all of the students carrying a gun. So if the assailant stole one guy's gun, the rest of 'em could shoot his ass dead. Makes sense to me.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #10 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant silly boy. I thought you were talking about all of the students carrying a gun. So if the assailant stole one guy's gun, the rest of 'em could shoot his ass dead. Makes sense to me. yes, makes sense to me too I hope they can catch any classroom gunfights on camera... would be better than High Noon ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 April 20, 2007 Kindergarten, no Grade school, no High school, no (the above 3 are all minors) College and beyond, it's nobody's business if someone is legally carrying "legally carrying" does NOT equate to "all students" as you guys continue to misrepresent. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #12 April 20, 2007 Quote Kindergarten, no Grade school, no High school, no (the above 3 are all minors) College and beyond, it's nobody's business if someone is legally carrying "legally carrying" does NOT equate to "all students" as you guys continue to misrepresent. it's not hard to see why your country is going down the shitter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 April 20, 2007 QuoteDoes anybody on here think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? just in case a crazy gunman comes in and tries to kill them? Why do you think that this is an all or nothing deal? Do you have to put into those terms, as the only way you can possibly have a decent argument against it? All airline pilots don't carry guns in the cockpit. But some of them now do, because of the threat to airline safety since 9/11/01. They volunteered for that service, qualified for it, and are specially trained to do it. And because the terrorists can't know which planes have armed pilots and which don't, it serves as a deterrent to hijackings on all planes. There's no reason why the same kind of program can't be applied to schools, with teachers, for example. And just think of all the combat veterans who come home from the war, and go to college. They're already trained and disciplined. Instead of arguing against "all", try arguing against "nobody". That's a lot tougher, eh? Do you think that police officers on campus should be unarmed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote Kindergarten, no Grade school, no High school, no (the above 3 are all minors) College and beyond, it's nobody's business if someone is legally carrying "legally carrying" does NOT equate to "all students" as you guys continue to misrepresent. it's not hard to see why your country is going down the shitter yeah, respecting the rights of the individual is a crappy concept, comrade ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #15 April 20, 2007 Quote Does anybody on here think all students should be allowed to carry guns in class? just in case a crazy gunman comes in and tries to kill them? No, all students shouldn't be allow to. Those students w/a CHL should be able to. If I'm trustworthy enough to carry anywhere else in public, why should I not be allowed to on a college campus? Quote I think it would be a good idea, i can't wait for news reports of mass shoot outs in class because somebody steals somebody elses chair or something Alot of anti-gun people said all the CHL people would be shooting each other over parking spots, etc.. It simply hasn't happened. Quote I think the unfortunate carnage caused by petty arguments that escalate in to class warfare are a price worth paying for that one in a million time a crazy gunman comes and starts popping caps in arses I think the odds of a nut shooting up a school are much higher than a CHL holder doing so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 April 20, 2007 No for the ones that are ever bullied No for the ones that ever bully... um... anyone left can have a gun.... Oh look, no one left. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #17 April 20, 2007 Quote No way in hell should any student be allowed to carry a gun onto any school campus. That'd be great if it was actually possible to prevent people from having a gun on campus, but history has shown that laws attempting to prevent such only stop law-abiding citizens from bringing them on campus. People that are going to use them will have them anyway. Quote Leave that job to the cops. Or perhaps, a specially trained school marshall (like those air marshalls) whose gun will only fire when it recognizes its owner's grip with that newfangled technology so nobody else can use it. Leaving it to the cops has proven to work well in the past. I can't imagine such a firearm ever being reliable enough to trust that it would work when you need it to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #18 April 20, 2007 So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #19 April 20, 2007 Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? "to the average Brit" being the operative term....-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #20 April 20, 2007 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #21 April 20, 2007 Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? Cross posted from another thread: I don't think anybody is calling for arming MORE people. What we're calling for it the right for people who already have a proven track record of carrying concealed firearms without incident--current concealed handgun license holders--to be allowed to carry on college campuses, the same way they do everywhere else. CHL holders aren't causing problems outside of college campuses, and they won't causes problems on college campuses. If a shooting breaks out, they may or may not die, and they may or may not be able to stop it, but at least they won't be left helpless because their guns are across the street in their cars. The notion that allowing these people to carry on campus would lead to an increased number of incidents or that they would be unable to respond under duress or that they would only escalate an already dangerous situation is simply not supported the observable facts and statistics of these same people carry outside of college campuses.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #22 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote No, just those who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons. great Brilliant If you're suggesting someone would jump them just to take the gun, you seem to be missing the point of a CONCEALED handgun. If it's concealed, nobody should know they have it, so nobody should have the motivation to try to steal it. If you're suggesting that somebody is going to randomly mug someone who happens to be carrying a gun, take the gun, and then decide, "What the hell--I'll just shoot everybody," that's ridiculous.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #23 April 20, 2007 QuoteAlot of anti-gun people said all the CHL people would be shooting each other over parking spots, etc.. It simply hasn't happened. There is a notion among the anti-gun crowd that the average person frequently gets angry enough that he or she would kill someone if he or she had easy access to a firearm. This simply isn't supported by the evidence. Most CHL holders actually respect the grave responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm and have a deep appreciation for the sanctity of life.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #24 April 20, 2007 Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? And you wonder how we kicked your asses in the big one! We're gun nuts, mate! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axe_Murderer 0 #25 April 20, 2007 Quote Quote So, some peoples responce to yet another school masacres in america, is to have/allow even more guns in to school/colleges have you any idea just how bizzare you sound to the average Brit on here? And you wonder how we kicked your asses in the big one! We're gun nuts, mate! LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
