Alec Baldwin needs ass kicked

[Elisha 1]

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Wouldn't it be great if the judge ordered both of them to get "fixed"?

It is the opinion of this court that neither of you are capable of anything remotely resembling decent parenting, therefore, to remove any chance of either of you ever procreating again, I order you...

Except that Bassinger is a woman and 53, so rather moot.

[JohnnyD 0]

When that poor little girl goes to school, the grocery store, girl scouts, dance class, where ever, she has to deal with the fact that its national headlines. Everyone she sees will have heard what her dad said. That recording could have been kept for the custody hearing.
That girl will now forever live with the fact that her mother would do that to her just for the sake of getting back at her father, who isn't going to be in the running for father of the year. What he did was bad, but he's only human. What the mother did is unforgiveable.

[Axe_Murderer 0]

women = snakes with tits

[lawrocket 3]

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We have no idea of what led up to this, the context, the history, the provocation, anything.

Exactly. What I _do_ know is that the daughter is 11 years old and he took it out on her. What's wrong is wrong, and it is wrong to take it out on a 11 year-old girl. Period.

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Parents under extreme stress - and few things are more stressful than being in the midst of a bitter divorce - sometimes do verbally blow up at their kids.

Yes. I know. And it doesn't make it right.

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That doesn't mean they're like that all the time, or even indicate a pattern.

No, it does not - from an evidentiary standpoint. But there is nothing to indicate that it isn't, with the exception of a psych review ordered last June.

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We have no idea what kind of outrageous shit Basinger may have also pulled in the PRIVACY of the family;

Nope, and I'll bet she has pulled some doozies.

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but of course that dirty laundry hasn't been aired in public, has it?

Nope, except by Baldwin, who has gotten all kinds of press to stir up publicity on his book he is writing about the divorce. I seem to recall a motion being filed to stop him from publishing it.

He's the one who has been excoriating Basinger in the press the past few years. Basinger, despite how nasty I suspect she's been, has shut up about it.

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What about all the times Baldwin told the kid he loved her more than he loved life? That almost certainly happened, too, but there's no videotape of it to publish.

True, although I'm sure we'll see some released.

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So all we see is one bad moment.

Yep, the nature of which is pretty important to me.

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This is none of our fucking business.

I agree, except that Baldwin has made it a personal crusade to show the world how horrible he's been treated. He brought this divorce battle public. He started the fire and spent the past few years stoking the flame. And how he's mad that his bad side is being shown when all he's done is attempt to inform the world how horrible and evil Basinger has been?

This doesn't belong in the public, but he brought it public.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

Oh, I agree. It's horrible to use kids as pawns, which both of them are very adept at doing.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[JohnnyD 0]

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Basinger, despite how nasty I suspect she's been, has shut up about it.

You've GOT to be kidding.

[lawrocket 3]

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Basinger, despite how nasty I suspect she's been, has shut up about it.

You've GOT to be kidding.

Okay. Till now. I don't recall her hawking books about the divorce or anything.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Royd 0]

Where is all of that love and reasonableness that is owned by liberals?

[Duckwater 0]

Jesus Fucking Christ....

If I had a recording of everyting my parents called me and aired them with no context, they would look horrible.

And I had the best parents in the world.

Kim is a total piece of shit for airing dirty laundry at THE CHILDS EXPENSE. Was Alex right, hell no. The mom is the devil in this.

One thing is for sure. Kimm Bassinger is a "See You Next Tuesday",.....she was before this and caused Alex to snap a bit.

[akarunway 1]

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WOW. Glad he is not my dad.

Same here. My parents never ever shouted or swore at me when I did something wrong as a kid.

Not mine. They just beat crap outta me. Deservedly so I'm sure. I never spanked my daughters and they are both a couple spoiled fuckups. You tell me

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Royd 0]

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Kim is a total piece of shit for airing dirty laundry at THE CHILDS EXPENSE. Was Alex right, hell no. The mom is the devil in this.

So if someone can strike you so as not to leave a mark, are they abusing you? You have no evidence.

He has been riding the Hollywood Elitist train for too long. It's time someone exposed him for the ass that he is.

I'm sure his daughter had legitimate reasons for not wanting to spend time with him.

You usually want to be with someone who loves you and treats you like a human being.

[tkhayes 348]

Alec Baldwin can say whatever he wants to his daughter. This is supposed to be a free country.

You have no idea what the source of this audio is. It proobably came from the opposition in his divorce, which makes it, at the very least unreliable.

Who says it has not been altered? What context led up to it? Maybe his 11 year old daughter is a spoiled brat who cusses out her Dad on a regular basis. Again, no one knows and it should not be in the publiic view as far as i am concerned.

Judges and civil courts are there to deal with this. Leave it alone.

NOYB
NOMB

TK

[misskriss 0]

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You have no idea what the source of this audio is. It proobably came from the opposition in his divorce, which makes it, at the very least unreliable.

Who says it has not been altered

He says it has not been altered. He has apologized for it, apparently.




For those who think it is okay for him to say this to his daughter because we don't know what led up to it--- WRONG!

It is never okay to speak to your children that way. As an adult you need to have self control as a parent and if you are that angry then hang up the phone. He verbally abused her. He called her a thoughtless little pig and told he she had no brains. Even if she is a spoiled brat she is so because of her parents and the way they have raised her. No, we don't know the whole story but he was way out of control. The whole..." wait till I see you so I can straighten your ass out." He's using intimidation and fear with her and that is horrible. The whole thing made me cringe. I remember my mom calling me a bitch when I was a teenager and I've never forgotten it. Words hurt, especially to a child.

[freeflybella 0]

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For those who think it is okay for him to say this to his daughter because we don't know what led up to it--- WRONG!

It is never okay to speak to your children that way. As an adult you need to have self control as a parent and if you are that angry then hang up the phone. He verbally abused her. He called her a thoughtless little pig and told he she had no brains. Even if she is a spoiled brat she is so because of her parents and the way they have raised her. No, we don't know the whole story but he was way out of control. The whole..." wait till I see you so I can straighten your ass out." He's using intimidation and fear with her and that is horrible. The whole thing made me cringe. I remember my mom calling me a bitch when I was a teenager and I've never forgotten it. Words hurt, especially to a child.

Word.



edited: Although I do think it's despicable that it was leaked - from either side.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

[Axe_Murderer 0]

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You have no idea what the source of this audio is. It proobably came from the opposition in his divorce, which makes it, at the very least unreliable.

Who says it has not been altered

He says it has not been altered. He has apologized for it, apparently.




For those who think it is okay for him to say this to his daughter because we don't know what led up to it--- WRONG!

It is never okay to speak to your children that way. As an adult you need to have self control as a parent and if you are that angry then hang up the phone. He verbally abused her. He called her a thoughtless little pig and told he she had no brains. Even if she is a spoiled brat she is so because of her parents and the way they have raised her. No, we don't know the whole story but he was way out of control. The whole..." wait till I see you so I can straighten your ass out." He's using intimidation and fear with her and that is horrible. The whole thing made me cringe. I remember my mom calling me a bitch when I was a teenager and I've never forgotten it. Words hurt, especially to a child.

there are plenty of kids who grow up to be normal, responsible adults who as kids, were on the recieving end of some verbal tirades, plenty of kids who grow up to be normal adults who as kids recieve smacks if they were naughty

"new age" softly softly parenting may work for some people, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't work for all people. smacking and ripping in to your kids verbally works for some people... so who are you to say people who do that, and have kids who grow up to be normal adults, where wrong to do that?

[freeflybella 0]

The whole "____(blank)_______ happened to me and I turned out fine." is such a useless argument. You can't look at exceptions to disprove the norms.

I think the studies are quite clear that verbal abuse and intimidation does affect children. So she is pretty well within her rights to say it is wrong to do it.

Sure, that kid might turn out just fine as a narcissistic materialistic shallow normal person. Or a hollow, dissociated, introverted normal person. But it's more likely than not her self-esteem is at risk.

Besides, when you say "normal" - just exactly what do you mean? Law-abiding? Successful? Confident? Married with 2 kids and a dog?

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

[lawrocket 3]

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"new age" softly softly parenting may work for some people, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't work for all people. smacking and ripping in to your kids verbally works for some people...

Oh, I agree. I had as a friend in law school a guy who regularly got the shit beat out of him as a kid and grew up in foster care who turned out well (assuming being an attorney is turning out well). It turned out well, so no harm right.

But, I'll put it this way - if I ever caught someone talking to my kid like that I'd want to kick the shit out of him. What would Baldwin do to someone saying such things to his daughter in such a manner?

What's wrong is wrong. Try saying that to an adult and see what happens. He'll say it to an eleven year-old girl, though.

Misskriss is right.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Axe_Murderer 0]

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The whole "____(blank)_______ happened to me and I turned out fine." is such a useless argument. You can't look at exceptions to disprove the norms.

I think the studies are quite clear that verbal abuse and intimidation does affect children. So she is pretty well within her rights to say it is wrong to do it.

Sure, that kid might turn out just fine as a narcissistic materialistic shallow normal person. Or a hollow, dissociated, introverted normal person. But it's more likely than not her self-esteem is at risk.

Besides, when you say "normal" - just exactly what do you mean? Law-abiding? Successful? Confident? Married with 2 kids and a dog?

normal, as in owns a gun

[Axe_Murderer 0]

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Wouldn't it be great if the judge ordered both of them to get "fixed"?

It is the opinion of this court that neither of you are capable of anything remotely resembling decent parenting, therefore, to remove any chance of either of you ever procreating again, I order you...

Except that Bassinger is a woman and 53, so rather moot.

i still would many a good tune played on an old fiddle

[jakee 1,489]

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But, I'll put it this way - if I ever caught someone talking to my kid like that I'd want to kick the shit out of him. What would Baldwin do to someone saying such things to his daughter in such a manner?

Different situation - his kid vs someone elses kid.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Baldwin is in midst of custody battle/divorce. He left this message for his 11 year old daughter the other day.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/0419_baldwin.mp3

WOW. Glad he is not my dad. I will never watch this clown again. If he is on, I am out.

There is millions of people out there going through the same bullshit. Why do people get so caught up in other people's lives, especially of the people living in Hollywood. Who cares?

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[Royd 0]

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there are plenty of kids who grow up to be normal, responsible adults who as kids, were on the recieving end of some verbal tirades, plenty of kids who grow up to be normal adults who as kids recieve smacks if they were naughty

"new age" softly softly parenting may work for some people, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't work for all people. smacking and ripping in to your kids verbally works for some people... so who are you to say people who do that, and have kids who grow up to be normal adults, where wrong to do that?

Luckily, they probably weren't pistol whipped.

[DSE 5]

IMO, it says more about Basinger for releasing it, than it does about Baldwin for saying it.
My parents said worse to me, I'm sure most parents have; it's part of learning sometimes.

Either way, Baldwin's comments in the media have been related to Basinger, not the children.
His daughter will forever be remembered for this recording, and Basinger put her daughter in that situation, not Baldwin.

[misskriss 0]

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My parents said worse to me, I'm sure most parents have

That's the problem. People grow up with it and think it's normal behavior... it's not.

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His daughter will forever be remembered for this recording, and Basinger put her daughter in that situation, not Baldwin.

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Whomever leaked it to the media should not have and it should have been for the courts ears only. However, Baldwin is the one who said it and therefore he put his daughter in that situation. Character is who we are when no one is looking.

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[Botellines 0]

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I remember my mom calling me a bitch when I was a teenager and I've never forgotten it. Words hurt, especially to a child.

But maybe you were behaving like a bitch, and your mother was right telling you so. This thing that parents can educate a kid just by treating them as a rational adults is an uthopia. Kids will always try to find out how far they can go with the authority, and when the adult snaps, the kid will know where the limit is. An abusive over reaction is not good, however a weak response will send the wrong message across. As usual the virtue is somewhere in between. IMO Baldwins reaction was not something too terrible, considering how little info we have.