misskriss 0 #51 April 23, 2007 QuoteBut maybe you were behaving like a bitch, and your mother was right telling you so. This thing that parents can educate a kid just by treating them as a rational adults is an uthopia I remember the incident quite vividly and I was standing up for myself. She overreacted as usual because of what was going on in her life. I love my mother dearly but she can be extremely critical and negative. She did and behaved the only way she knew how. Her mother was the same way and her mother before her was the same way. I have chosen to be different. I am the mother of three teenaged daughters and it can be very trying sometimes. I have never called them names--ever. Of course, children will test you but you can parent effectifvely without resorting to namecalling and intimidation. If someone has to resort to these tactics then I believe there are issues going on besides "the child." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #52 April 23, 2007 Quote That's the problem. People grow up with it and think it's normal behavior... it's not. Quote How do you know? Most people I associate with believe it's reasonably normal behavior given the circumstances. Maybe it wasn't normal for *you.* Given the responses from several people here, it's quite normal to have your parents lose it occasionally. Ever been in the middle of a nasty custody or visitation situation? It's a challenge being "normal." Had your kids talk to you like you're a complete piece of shit, even if they've not known you for most of their life? It's even harder being "normal." While I personally don't care at all for Alec Baldwin (met and worked with the guy) I can't fault him for this crap being in the media, and I can empathize with the emotion that I'd suppose he was feeling. On the other hand, I believel his exwife is a vindictive, self-serving, uncaring bitch for having put his daughter in this situation by releasing the recording to the public. ALL OF US, particularly parents, have said things we don't mean during a heightened emotional state that we'd not like others to hear. Anyone who says they haven't is a liar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #53 April 23, 2007 QuoteOn the other hand, I believel his exwife is a vindictive, self-serving, uncaring bitch for having put his daughter in this situation by releasing the recording to the public. That statement speaks volumes. Also, I have been around verbally abusive people. I have seen things I should never have as a child. I have experienced abuse both physical and verbal as an adult. I'm sharing things I normally wouldn't to make a point. I grew up with things that weren't healthy. I've been in relationships that weren't healthy. Yes, I've made mistakes. I am not a perfect parent nor a perfect human being. QuoteALL OF US, particularly parents, have said things we don't mean during a heightened emotional state that we'd not like others to hear. Anyone who says they haven't is a liar.Quote Not to my kids I haven't and I'm not a liar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #54 April 23, 2007 All of us grew up with things that weren't healthy to see, hear, taste, touch, experience, feel, or particpate. Some grow up to be axe murderers, some grow up to be model citizens. Some people think that spanking a child is responsible for axe murders while others feel that not spanking a child is responsible for axe murderers. Me...? I got my ass whipped regularly, sworn at on severe occasion, and thought my nickname was "goddamnit" for the first few years of my life. My child? Spanked on occasion, called names and yelled at on heated occasion, and she is a model adult, more mature than most of her peers. If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bluerosie 0 #55 April 23, 2007 Quote Tell me, is this a guy who is considering th ebest interests of his child? Is this a guy who is seeking to develop and nurture his child? I agree with you, but I also think that the blame goes to both parents. It doesn't seem that either is putting her best interests first. I just hate it when adults are too immature to not make a pawn out of their children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #56 April 23, 2007 Quote If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. They are 18, 14, 13 and 17 months. What I regret is fighting with my ex husband in front of them. They heard him verbally assault me which is maybe why if I ever felt I was to lose it with them I would put myself in a timeout. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this subject because of my experiences but I still think the guy went on a tirade. Normal may have been the wrong word to use in my previous post. How about acceptable? It's not acceptable behaviour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #57 April 23, 2007 Quote Quote If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. They are 18, 14, 13 and 17 months. What I regret is fighting with my ex husband in front of them. They heard him verbally assault me which is maybe why if I ever felt I was to lose it with them I would put myself in a timeout. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this subject because of my experiences but I still think the guy went on a tirade. Normal may have been the wrong word to use in my previous post. How about acceptable? It's not acceptable behaviour. We have a winner. "Acceptable behavior" is an acceptable term to my way of thinking vs "normal." Sounds like you're a super-human incredible parent if you never 'lost it' in front of your children. Of course he went on a tirade. While tirades may not be acceptable behavior, they're perfectly "normal." If more parents went on tirades from time to time, we might prevent some children from doing what they do sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #58 April 23, 2007 QuoteALL OF US, particularly parents, have said things we don't mean during a heightened emotional state that we'd not like others to hear. While this my be true, what sets this situation apart from your run of the mill parents losing their cool was Baldwin's effort to maliciously wound his daughter... to really make her feel crappy about herself, as opposed to feel crappy about her actions. "You're a lowlife scum bucket" is much worse than "you really fucking pissed me off". I can remember getting chewed out numerous times when I was young, but I can't remember a single incident on par with Baldwin's outburst. Kim Basinger may be a world-class bitch, but that doesn't excuse Baldwin's behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflybella 0 #59 April 23, 2007 Quotewhat sets this situation apart from your run of the mill parents losing their cool was Baldwin's effort to maliciously wound his daughter... to really make her feel crappy about herself, as opposed to feel crappy about her actions. yup. 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misskriss 0 #53 April 23, 2007 QuoteOn the other hand, I believel his exwife is a vindictive, self-serving, uncaring bitch for having put his daughter in this situation by releasing the recording to the public. That statement speaks volumes. Also, I have been around verbally abusive people. I have seen things I should never have as a child. I have experienced abuse both physical and verbal as an adult. I'm sharing things I normally wouldn't to make a point. I grew up with things that weren't healthy. I've been in relationships that weren't healthy. Yes, I've made mistakes. I am not a perfect parent nor a perfect human being. QuoteALL OF US, particularly parents, have said things we don't mean during a heightened emotional state that we'd not like others to hear. Anyone who says they haven't is a liar.Quote Not to my kids I haven't and I'm not a liar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #54 April 23, 2007 All of us grew up with things that weren't healthy to see, hear, taste, touch, experience, feel, or particpate. Some grow up to be axe murderers, some grow up to be model citizens. Some people think that spanking a child is responsible for axe murders while others feel that not spanking a child is responsible for axe murderers. Me...? I got my ass whipped regularly, sworn at on severe occasion, and thought my nickname was "goddamnit" for the first few years of my life. My child? Spanked on occasion, called names and yelled at on heated occasion, and she is a model adult, more mature than most of her peers. If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bluerosie 0 #55 April 23, 2007 Quote Tell me, is this a guy who is considering th ebest interests of his child? Is this a guy who is seeking to develop and nurture his child? I agree with you, but I also think that the blame goes to both parents. It doesn't seem that either is putting her best interests first. I just hate it when adults are too immature to not make a pawn out of their children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #56 April 23, 2007 Quote If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. They are 18, 14, 13 and 17 months. What I regret is fighting with my ex husband in front of them. They heard him verbally assault me which is maybe why if I ever felt I was to lose it with them I would put myself in a timeout. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this subject because of my experiences but I still think the guy went on a tirade. Normal may have been the wrong word to use in my previous post. How about acceptable? It's not acceptable behaviour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #57 April 23, 2007 Quote Quote If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. They are 18, 14, 13 and 17 months. What I regret is fighting with my ex husband in front of them. They heard him verbally assault me which is maybe why if I ever felt I was to lose it with them I would put myself in a timeout. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this subject because of my experiences but I still think the guy went on a tirade. Normal may have been the wrong word to use in my previous post. How about acceptable? It's not acceptable behaviour. We have a winner. "Acceptable behavior" is an acceptable term to my way of thinking vs "normal." Sounds like you're a super-human incredible parent if you never 'lost it' in front of your children. Of course he went on a tirade. While tirades may not be acceptable behavior, they're perfectly "normal." If more parents went on tirades from time to time, we might prevent some children from doing what they do sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #58 April 23, 2007 QuoteALL OF US, particularly parents, have said things we don't mean during a heightened emotional state that we'd not like others to hear. While this my be true, what sets this situation apart from your run of the mill parents losing their cool was Baldwin's effort to maliciously wound his daughter... to really make her feel crappy about herself, as opposed to feel crappy about her actions. "You're a lowlife scum bucket" is much worse than "you really fucking pissed me off". I can remember getting chewed out numerous times when I was young, but I can't remember a single incident on par with Baldwin's outburst. Kim Basinger may be a world-class bitch, but that doesn't excuse Baldwin's behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflybella 0 #59 April 23, 2007 Quotewhat sets this situation apart from your run of the mill parents losing their cool was Baldwin's effort to maliciously wound his daughter... to really make her feel crappy about herself, as opposed to feel crappy about her actions. yup. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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DSE 5 #54 April 23, 2007 All of us grew up with things that weren't healthy to see, hear, taste, touch, experience, feel, or particpate. Some grow up to be axe murderers, some grow up to be model citizens. Some people think that spanking a child is responsible for axe murders while others feel that not spanking a child is responsible for axe murderers. Me...? I got my ass whipped regularly, sworn at on severe occasion, and thought my nickname was "goddamnit" for the first few years of my life. My child? Spanked on occasion, called names and yelled at on heated occasion, and she is a model adult, more mature than most of her peers. If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluerosie 0 #55 April 23, 2007 Quote Tell me, is this a guy who is considering th ebest interests of his child? Is this a guy who is seeking to develop and nurture his child? I agree with you, but I also think that the blame goes to both parents. It doesn't seem that either is putting her best interests first. I just hate it when adults are too immature to not make a pawn out of their children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #56 April 23, 2007 Quote If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. They are 18, 14, 13 and 17 months. What I regret is fighting with my ex husband in front of them. They heard him verbally assault me which is maybe why if I ever felt I was to lose it with them I would put myself in a timeout. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this subject because of my experiences but I still think the guy went on a tirade. Normal may have been the wrong word to use in my previous post. How about acceptable? It's not acceptable behaviour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #57 April 23, 2007 Quote Quote If you've never said anything to your children that you don't regret, either reality is in question, or your children are too young to inspire tremendous anger, hurt, or other challenged state of emotion. They are 18, 14, 13 and 17 months. What I regret is fighting with my ex husband in front of them. They heard him verbally assault me which is maybe why if I ever felt I was to lose it with them I would put myself in a timeout. Maybe I'm just sensitive to this subject because of my experiences but I still think the guy went on a tirade. Normal may have been the wrong word to use in my previous post. How about acceptable? It's not acceptable behaviour. We have a winner. "Acceptable behavior" is an acceptable term to my way of thinking vs "normal." Sounds like you're a super-human incredible parent if you never 'lost it' in front of your children. Of course he went on a tirade. While tirades may not be acceptable behavior, they're perfectly "normal." If more parents went on tirades from time to time, we might prevent some children from doing what they do sometimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #58 April 23, 2007 QuoteALL OF US, particularly parents, have said things we don't mean during a heightened emotional state that we'd not like others to hear. While this my be true, what sets this situation apart from your run of the mill parents losing their cool was Baldwin's effort to maliciously wound his daughter... to really make her feel crappy about herself, as opposed to feel crappy about her actions. "You're a lowlife scum bucket" is much worse than "you really fucking pissed me off". I can remember getting chewed out numerous times when I was young, but I can't remember a single incident on par with Baldwin's outburst. Kim Basinger may be a world-class bitch, but that doesn't excuse Baldwin's behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #59 April 23, 2007 Quotewhat sets this situation apart from your run of the mill parents losing their cool was Baldwin's effort to maliciously wound his daughter... to really make her feel crappy about herself, as opposed to feel crappy about her actions. yup. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
