billvon 3,070 #26 April 25, 2007 Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #27 April 25, 2007 You too. Actually, could everyone stop with the name calling here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #28 April 25, 2007 QuoteYou too. Actually, could everyone stop with the name calling here? Are you reading my mind? I was just wondering when I was going to be warned when suddenly there it was."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #29 April 26, 2007 You seem to think no further investigation is warranted -- so tell us what ACTION was take by the previous investigations to find out how far up the chain of command the deceit went, discipline the liars responsible for this shit, and to ensure that it doesn't happen again?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #30 April 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhat should we do in response? That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. Well, first off we can do things like what happened in November - vote the policymakers out. Appointment to the rank of Brigadier General (O-7) requires a Presidential Nomination and Confirmation by the Senate. Such is required for promotion all the way up to O-10. This means two things: 1) Political approval of senior military leadership; and 2) that senior military leadership usually has a fair amount of political acumen. The most disturbing thing to me as an officer in the Army was the amount of pencil-whipping that went on. I never did it because, well, I had a civilian career that meant I didn't give a shit whether I progressed in rank so I said it like it was. I firmly believe that with anything, shit rolls downhill. The climate set by the senior leadership rolls down to the lower enlisted. A general who will not tolerate bullshit will have people below who will not tolerate bullshit and will not bullshit. So, what we do is bring in new people who will not tolerate bullshit from the senior leadership. This is but another reason why I believe that Congress and the Presidency should be of opposing parties - just to keep each other honest. QuoteI can't actually think of anything more disturbing in my life than my Governments lies. Which is why I wish I had your life. I see some fucked up shit on a daily basis. It's all very well to bring in people who won't tolerate BS from senior leadership, except they'll last around 5 minutes into their careers - and it's questionable over whether they could ever achieve such a position being the way described. It's the senior leadership who are at fault, yet continue to remain blameless. Regarding having my life, I struggle to imagine what fucked up shit as a lawyer(?) you experience which isn't 'normal' to western society. And is actually worse than certain events brought around through our Governments lies. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #31 April 26, 2007 NOBODY. TRUST IN YOURSELFI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #32 April 26, 2007 Quote Quote LOL You really nailed it there, sporto. Next time try addressing what I actually said instead of making a bunch of bullshit, made up, ad hominem nonsense. My name is not "sporto" it is Mark (somehow I expect such child like names to come from a kid. Sporto is childlike? LOL How about other dated terms like groovy, wow or make love not war? Quote How old are you? 18, 19 maybe 20. I find it interesting that yet again you think I'm in my late teens... interesting because you seem to get pretty worked up with some "unusual" inferences from my posts. Quote At such an age why are you not in Iraq fighting the war you so boldly defend. This is a bullshit LIE. Feel free to prove me wrong. Quote Much nicer to be safe in your house and let others die for you? WOW!!! you really are much like Bush!) How did you infer that? Not from anything I've posted. Quote Also, your original question implies that the Dems are using Tillmans death merely to embarrass Bush when it is Tillmans own family that is pushing for the truth. It wasn't implied. It was asked directly. While the Tillman's seem to be pushing these hearings, it's the Democrats who are making it happen. ***I take it that you much rather see Tillmans death be used as a recruitment tool."JOIN THE ARMY AND BE A HERO LIKE PAT TILLMAN. HE DIED A HERO FIGHTING EVIL" This is truly fucking offensive and complete BULLSHIT. Find a single post where I said anything remotely similar to what you claim and I'll admit you were right. Until then we'll just assume it's nothing more than some made up, delusional crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #33 April 26, 2007 It is generally considered bad form to post PMs on the open forum. I'm sure all of us with an opinion have received offensive PMs in the past, but the word "Private" has a connotation that you should think about.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #34 April 28, 2007 You tell 'em Pops - I'm sure you're really either British or German. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
