rehmwa 2 #51 May 9, 2007 Couches, end tables ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #52 May 9, 2007 And Clinton got a blow job......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #53 May 9, 2007 "Iraq launched a jihad against the U.S? I must have missed this memo from fantasy land" Al Qaeda in Iraq has. As in "Jihad of the sword". A stable government in Iraq, with a strong enough military, is needed to stop those types of murderers. Al Qaeda is Sunni, some of these foreigners, with Zarqawi's mujahideen fighters,went to iraq to start a civil war with the Shi'a majority. It worked as they had planned. Enough violence, then the U.S. will leave. They must stay underground untill the U.S. is gone. Does that spell it out enough for you junior? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #54 May 9, 2007 QuoteAl Qaeda in Iraq has. Yet they weren’t there pre-2003 QuoteA stable government in Iraq, with a strong enough military, is needed to stop those types of murderers. Yet it had one pre-2003 Quote Al Qaeda is Sunni, some of these foreigners, with Zarqawi's mujahideen fighters,went to iraq to start a civil war with the Shi'a majority. It worked as they had planned. Enough violence, then the U.S. will leave. They must stay underground untill the U.S. is gone. O'rly Mr Intelligence agency? You know they went to "start a civil war"? That is fascinating intel you have. Quote Does that spell it out enough for you junior? Condescending for someone who appears not to know much about almost every subject he speaks on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #55 May 9, 2007 Quotethe Dems now need this war to fail. They have based thier power and credibility on it. I see this crap posted from time to time. Is it just me, or am I the only one who finds this to be about the most ridiculously offensive and completely unbelievable bullshit to creep into the forums? For me, that someone would actually believe this, even a little bit, truely speaks volumes about their character. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #56 May 9, 2007 >Is it just me, or am I the only one who finds this to be about the >most ridiculously offensive and completely unbelievable bullshit to creep >into the forums? Unbelievable? Of course. Offensive? Why? Are you offended when some guy with 10 jumps calls you a lousy skydiver? When you post something and someone replies "just gos to shjow what an idiat you are- you cant even spel!" When you are talking about global warming and someone says "why should I stop burning CO2?" People killing other people over their respective ideologies - that's offensive. The stuff here is just amusing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #57 May 9, 2007 Quote>Is it just me, or am I the only one who finds this to be about the >most ridiculously offensive and completely unbelievable bullshit to creep >into the forums? Unbelievable? Of course. Offensive? Why? Are you offended when some guy with 10 jumps calls you a lousy skydiver? When you post something and someone replies "just gos to shjow what an idiat you are- you cant even spel!" When you are talking about global warming and someone says "why should I stop burning CO2?" People killing other people over their respective ideologies - that's offensive. The stuff here is just amusing. I guess I find it offensive that people would accuse more than 50% of the American Congress of outright treason. As I typed that, it just sounded so ridiculous that I am not offended, but also not amused. I guess its actually pretty sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #58 May 9, 2007 > guess I find it offensive that people would accuse more than 50% of >the American Congress of outright treason. Heck, I've been accused of treason, of "aiding the enemy", of "hating the troops", of wanting the US to lose, of not caring about anything except "my" candidate winning. (Mike Badnarik?) I just find it funny. I picture a lot of 101st Fighting Keyboarders getting red in the face as they pound out their daily ration of posts, all the while telling themselves that _they_ are the brave patriots who defend their country by . . . well, by attacking other americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #59 May 9, 2007 At least tell my WHY I'm wrong on "almost every subject I speak of". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 May 9, 2007 QuoteQuotethe Dems now need this war to fail. They have based thier power and credibility on it. I see this crap posted from time to time. Is it just me, or am I the only one who finds this to be about the most ridiculously offensive and completely unbelievable bullshit to creep into the forums? For me, that someone would actually believe this, even a little bit, truely speaks volumes about their character. You should be offended. I am. These SOB's are getting more of our boys killed everyday. Al Queda need only keep up a pace so the Dems can squeel and sound concerned. The only dam thing they care about (not all of them) is how many seats they can gain. If you do not think the kind of talk gives strength and hope to the enemy you are fooling only yourself. Some of thier comments are near teason in my bood. So be offeneded. But choose the correct place to focus your anger"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #61 May 9, 2007 Quote Define winning. An Iraqi governement that can withstand Al Queda and Iran I hate to be the one to point this out but you just described Saddam's govt. What would be considered acceptable lossesThat is a tough one. I can only ask, in your opinion, what is the cost of security and freedom According to all the information to date, we're losing both of those BECAUSE of this war How should we pay for it, increase taxes or dump it on our grandchildren?Military spending is less than 5% of the budget, including the war. Not an issue Well if half a Trillion dollars is no issue then we shouldn't have any problem coming up with money to actually make ourselves safer right? One example: Cost of equipping all ports with large scanners for scanning incoming containers=$5 billion, or 17 days in Iraq. I think I'm going to put a list of those examples together, thanks. Should we have a draft in order to maintain our military strength?Don't have to, unless the media and the Dems demonize it to the point of scaring all new ones away So it's all the "dems" and the media's fault? Tell me, why did we only send in 20,000 troops in the most recent escalation? Why are tours being extended and why are troops being sent back for additional tours so quickly? How do you attack and contain an ideology of hate/revenge/resistance to oppression/perceived justice? Can you do it with force or is that counter productive?Your opinion that it is counter productive. A seed has been planted. I can grow if given a chance. The left and the media will not allow that if they have anything to say about it. They are so invested in defeat they have no other choice The media hasn't created a training ground in Iraq that is the poster child for terrorist recruitment. They also haven't alienated our allies, strained our finances and over extended our military resources. Don't shoot the messenger Would you be willing to change your lifestyle at all to help solve the problem? Come on. If we don't continue we will be forced to. The GWing alarmist are working on the same If we're not willing to change our petroleum habits then we simply need to accept the fact that incidents like 9/11 are to be considered a cost of doing business. Expecting people to agree to be exploited peacefully is insanity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #62 May 9, 2007 >These SOB's are getting more of our boys killed everyday. The pro-war members in our government certainly are. And the longer they keep our troops there, the more will be killed. I hope they can let go of their egos and realize that what's best for Iraq (and for the US) is not necessarily blind obedience to a failed president. Fortunately even the most pro-war GOPers are starting to realize that the solution is not endless war: ---------- Iraq: Why September Will Be the Cruelest Month By Shaun Mullen T.S. Eliot famously wrote that “April is the cruelest month,” but it may be September for the Bush administration since it increasingly appears that will be when the proverbial finally hits the fan and there is bipartisan agreement that the war in Iraq is lost and it is time to get out. This moment, or month or whatever, has been a long time coming, of course, and it is George Bush himself who drew a line in the Iraqi sand in declaring in April that General David Petraeus should be given six months to allow the White House’s last-gasp surge strategy to work. The welcome result is that Democrats and Republicans alike are coalescing around the notion that if there is not discernible progress by September, then the war is over bar the shouting. “September is the key,” Representative James Moran Jr., a Virginia Democrat and member of a House committee that funds the war, told The Washington Post. “If we don’t see a light at the end of the tunnel, September is going to be a very bleak month for this administration.” House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, who has steadfastly backed the president, broke ranks in speaking for many fellow Republican congressfolk: “By the time we get to September, October, members are going to want to know how well this is working, and if it isn’t, what’s Plan B.” There is no Plan B, of course, and never has been, but a September “deadline” has great appeal even if no one has a clue as to what discernible progress might be. -------------- Let's hope we can finally come together as a country, and avoid throwing away any more US and Iraqi lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #63 May 9, 2007 QuoteYou should be offended. I am. These SOB's are getting more of our boys killed everyday. Al Queda need only keep up a pace so the Dems can squeel and sound concerned. The only dam thing they care about (not all of them) is how many seats they can gain. If you do not think the kind of talk gives strength and hope to the enemy you are fooling only yourself. Some of thier comments are near teason in my bood. Don't they want to bring your military home? Would certainly stop most of them from getting killed. Isn't it your republican president who refuses to? Sounds like your president is getting them killed and your anger is misplaced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #64 May 9, 2007 QuoteQuote Define winning. An Iraqi governement that can withstand Al Queda and Iran I hate to be the one to point this out but you just described Saddam's govt.Maybe but, the hope is the new gov is not a threat to the US. SH was What would be considered acceptable lossesThat is a tough one. I can only ask, in your opinion, what is the cost of security and freedom According to all the information to date, we're losing both of those BECAUSE of this warWe are not loosing except in the drive by media, your favorite quote sourse How should we pay for it, increase taxes or dump it on our grandchildren?Military spending is less than 5% of the budget, including the war. Not an issue Well if half a Trillion dollars is no issue then we shouldn't have any problem coming up with money to actually make ourselves safer right? One example: Cost of equipping all ports with large scanners for scanning incoming containers=$5 billion, or 17 days in Iraq. I think I'm going to put a list of those examples together, thanks.What ever, what you post does not change the fact that military spending is less than %5. I will listen to your complaints when you start bitching about where the money is really going Should we have a draft in order to maintain our military strength?Don't have to, unless the media and the Dems demonize it to the point of scaring all new ones away So it's all the "dems" and the media's fault? Tell me, why did we only send in 20,000 troops in the most recent escalation? Why are tours being extended and why are troops being sent back for additional tours so quickly?I never said that but if the foo shits, where it ( and I did not mis-spell anything here How do you attack and contain an ideology of hate/revenge/resistance to oppression/perceived justice? Can you do it with force or is that counter productive?Your opinion that it is counter productive. A seed has been planted. I can grow if given a chance. The left and the media will not allow that if they have anything to say about it. They are so invested in defeat they have no other choice The media hasn't created a training ground in Iraq that is the poster child for terrorist recruitment. They also haven't alienated our allies, strained our finances and over extended our military resources. Don't shoot the messengerNo they did not. Nutty anology at best but, it was there before the war despite your denials Would you be willing to change your lifestyle at all to help solve the problem? Come on. If we don't continue we will be forced to. The GWing alarmist are working on the same If we're not willing to change our petroleum habits then we simply need to accept the fact that incidents like 9/11 are to be considered a cost of doing business. Expecting people to agree to be exploited peacefully is insanityThis just plain makes no sense "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #65 May 9, 2007 Quote If we're not willing to change our petroleum habits then we simply need to accept the fact that incidents like 9/11 are to be considered a cost of doing business. Expecting people to agree to be exploited peacefully is insanityThis just plain makes no sense It makes perfect sense. If you manipulate or exploit people for your personal benefit then you should understand that they will probably get upset and resist and try to retaliate. And if you read the links that you posted yesterday on the PFAW site it should be quite obvious. Keep reading, you are/were heading in the right direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #66 May 9, 2007 QuoteShould we leave Iraq unfinished? Should we leave? A country that is crawling with terrorist. I would like to understand what goes through the minds of a people that wishes death upon Americans, Brits, and Jews. I don't wake up thinking, gosh I wish all Arabs were dead. Yet, they do Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #67 May 9, 2007 Quote Some of thier comments are near teason in my bood. " teason in my bood"? To quote rushmc in this thread, "this just plain makes no sense".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #68 May 9, 2007 Quote Quote Some of thier comments are near teason in my bood. " teason in my bood"? To quote rushmc in this thread, "this just plain makes no sense". You're right, it doesn't"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #69 May 9, 2007 >I don't wake up thinking, gosh I wish all Arabs were dead. Most americans don't wish all arabs were dead, but a very small percentage of them do. Likewise, most arabs don't wish all americans were dead, but a small (and growing) percentage do. Don't mistake what extremists do for what arabs do. We don't like it when people make the same mistake of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #70 May 9, 2007 Quote>I don't wake up thinking, gosh I wish all Arabs were dead. Most americans don't wish all arabs were dead, but a very small percentage of them do. Likewise, most arabs don't wish all americans were dead, but a small (and growing) percentage do. Don't mistake what extremists do for what arabs do. We don't like it when people make the same mistake of us. True, i imagine not all have that view. But, when the heads of a country like Iran or Iraq (former dictator) have that view? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #71 May 9, 2007 Quote Quote If we're not willing to change our petroleum habits then we simply need to accept the fact that incidents like 9/11 are to be considered a cost of doing business. Expecting people to agree to be exploited peacefully is insanityThis just plain makes no sense It makes perfect sense. If you manipulate or exploit people for your personal benefit then you should understand that they will probably get upset and resist and try to retaliate. And if you read the links that you posted yesterday on the PFAW site it should be quite obvious. Keep reading, you are/were heading in the right direction. I got to thinking and had to come back. The highlighted portion shows your arrogance. I am only going the right direction if I agree with you huh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #72 May 9, 2007 > But, when the heads of a country like Iran or Iraq (former dictator) have that view? Saddam Hussein never said "gosh, I wish all americans were dead" or indeed any variation on that theme. Heck, until recently he was our ally in the war against Iran. Ahmadinejad didn't say anything like that either. (Although he does want the state of Israel "wiped off the map.") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #73 May 9, 2007 >The highlighted portion shows your arrogance. Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #74 May 9, 2007 Your one warning. Not meant as a shot or an insult. I apologize if it seemed to be one"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #75 May 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteShould we leave Iraq unfinished? Should we leave? A country that is crawling with terrorist. I would like to understand what goes through the minds of a people that wishes death upon Americans, Brits, and Jews. I don't wake up thinking, gosh I wish all Arabs were dead. Yet, they do You might just try a forum search on the phrase "glass parking lot" to see how many Americans DO want to see all Arabs dead.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
You might just try a forum search on the phrase "glass parking lot" to see how many Americans DO want to see all Arabs dead.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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