MDMA 0 #1 May 7, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/6632017.stm and people say gun controls are not needed this policeman would still be alive if that gun hadn't been around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2 May 7, 2007 If the GUN had not been around????? Then putting the dam thing in jail and let the shooter go "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #3 May 7, 2007 Quote A .222 calibre rifle, commonly used in pest control, was recovered from the scene. uhh..... used for pest control?!? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 May 7, 2007 Quote Quote A .222 calibre rifle, commonly used in pest control, was recovered from the scene. uhh..... used for pest control?!? That did seem a bit off to me but I guessed they meant a 22 ?? The only 222 I know of is the 222 Swift. That is a high speed round for sure"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #5 May 7, 2007 >Then putting the dam thing in jail and let the shooter go In this case that would work out, actually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #6 May 7, 2007 Ever heard of the saying Shit happens?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 May 7, 2007 Yes, but it happens way too often, doesn't it? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #8 May 7, 2007 Quote Quote Quote A .222 calibre rifle, commonly used in pest control, was recovered from the scene. uhh..... used for pest control?!? That did seem a bit off to me but I guessed they meant a 22 ?? The only 222 I know of is the 222 Swift. That is a high speed round for sure Or .222 Remington, which is a legal approximation for .223 Remington/5.56x45 NATO in countries which limit private ownership of guns in military calibers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #9 May 7, 2007 Why is it that only gun crime is reported like this? Why is the headline never: "Legal knife owner kills policeman." "Legal match owner sets building on fire." "Legal car owner kills 2." A gun doesn't cause crime anymore than a knife or car does, so why do people focus on the weapon only in gun crimes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDMA 0 #10 May 7, 2007 QuoteWhy is it that only gun crime is reported like this? Why is the headline never: "Legal knife owner kills policeman." "Legal match owner sets building on fire." "Legal car owner kills 2." A gun doesn't cause crime anymore than a knife or car does, so why do people focus on the weapon only in gun crimes? taking the weapon out of this particular gunmans hands would have stopped the policeman getting shot, would you agree on that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #11 May 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhy is it that only gun crime is reported like this? Why is the headline never: "Legal knife owner kills policeman." "Legal match owner sets building on fire." "Legal car owner kills 2." A gun doesn't cause crime anymore than a knife or car does, so why do people focus on the weapon only in gun crimes? taking the weapon out of this particular gunmans hands would have stopped the policeman getting shot, would you agree on that? Yes. Also, taking the car out of the driver's hands would have stopped the accident. Taking the match out of the smoker's hands would have stopped the fire. Etc. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDMA 0 #12 May 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy is it that only gun crime is reported like this? Why is the headline never: "Legal knife owner kills policeman." "Legal match owner sets building on fire." "Legal car owner kills 2." A gun doesn't cause crime anymore than a knife or car does, so why do people focus on the weapon only in gun crimes? taking the weapon out of this particular gunmans hands would have stopped the policeman getting shot, would you agree on that? Yes. . that will do just fine, thanks very much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #13 May 7, 2007 Quotethat will do just fine, thanks very much No problem. Glad to provide you with a quote you can take out of context. My pleasure. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #14 May 7, 2007 A sad risk of the job. You spend your career associating with undesirables the odds are something will happen. Sadly for this officer it was as severe as it comes. RIP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #15 May 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhy is it that only gun crime is reported like this? Why is the headline never: "Legal knife owner kills policeman." "Legal match owner sets building on fire." "Legal car owner kills 2." A gun doesn't cause crime anymore than a knife or car does, so why do people focus on the weapon only in gun crimes? taking the weapon out of this particular gunmans hands would have stopped the policeman getting shot, would you agree on that? Shot? Yes. Killed? Maybe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #16 May 7, 2007 Hmm...MDMA?...registered five days ago...has posted only in gun threads. So who is employing MDMA to stir the pot? I wonder who is paying for the posts. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 May 7, 2007 QuoteHmm...MDMA?...registered five days ago...has posted only in gun threads. So who is employing MDMA to stir the pot? I wonder who is paying for the posts. FallRate I imagine the cost to post in DZ.com's Speaker's Corner could run into the millions of dollars. I'm sure there's a slush fund operated by pinko America-haters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #18 May 7, 2007 QuoteWhy is it that only gun crime is reported like this? Why is the headline never: "Legal knife owner kills policeman." "Legal match owner sets building on fire." "Legal car owner kills 2." "Intoxicated consumer of legal alcohol gets in legally owned car and kills family of four.""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #19 May 7, 2007 QuoteYes, but it happens way too often, doesn't it? I thought (and still believe to be true) that this is a rare event in England. But it's a consequence of unarmed policemen. I imagine they occasionally get knifed and beaten to death too, no? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #20 May 7, 2007 Unfortunately, rare is relative. We have had a number of gun and knife related crimes recently (and 1 would br too many). The problem isn't going awayA young girl was killed by her brother last week, with an illegal gun. Several knifings have hit the headlines in the past month. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 May 7, 2007 well, this is why the gun lovers here are adament about having defense options. If you can't eliminate the crime element, work on the other side. I've heard that most UK cops prefer to be unarmed, but I'd never volunteer for such duty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 May 7, 2007 Quotethis policeman would still be alive if that gun hadn't been around Maybe he would still be alive if England wasn't so paranoid about guns that they don't even let most of their street cops carry them. Then maybe the initial responders wouldn't have been taken hostage, and the armed response unit wouldn't have had to jump in to save them. Or maybe it wouldn't have made a whit of difference anyway, because someone willing to kill a cop doesn't give a damn about gun-control laws, and will own one anyway. Or maybe, going on your previous theory regarding hunting, this poor bloke was just compensating for having a small penis, so it's his dick's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #23 May 7, 2007 >I imagine the cost to post in DZ.com's Speaker's Corner could run into the >millions of dollars. I'm sure there's a slush fund operated by pinko >America-haters. Yep. In fact, it's the same fund used to fund the "big left wing global warming conspiracy." All those scientists must be getting paid off by someone - and that someone must have more money than Exxon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #24 May 7, 2007 >Maybe he would still be alive if England wasn't so paranoid about guns >that they don't even let most of their street cops carry them. Your statement would make sense if the unarmed cops had been killed and the armed cops had been able to defend themselves with their weapons. However, the opposite happened. The lack of weapons helped save the lives of the two unarmed cops, and the armed cop was shot dead. Clearly his weapon did not help preserve his life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #25 May 7, 2007 Quote>Maybe he would still be alive if England wasn't so paranoid about guns >that they don't even let most of their street cops carry them. Your statement would make sense if the unarmed cops had been killed and the armed cops had been able to defend themselves with their weapons. However, the opposite happened. The lack of weapons helped save the lives of the two unarmed cops, and the armed cop was shot dead. Clearly his weapon did not help preserve his life. I never new guns had decision making power? You could kill someone with your bare hands if you wanted to, and as far as I know my guns don’t make any decisions on when to fire and what to shoot at I do.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites