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2 Vegan + baby = starved baby + 2 life in prison

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I'm dubious about the sentence, but my first thought after reading the article was 'whatever happened to breast feeding?'



They are Vegans.

I wonder why it took 7 hours to come to a verdict. And, don't they have any friends or relatives that came to visit the baby. Ones with at least some common sense?

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No vegan I've ever met would consider human breastmilk an 'animal product'.



they were all religious types, huh?

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Idiots, idiots, idiots.:(

As vegans they should know how much extra care they need to ensure a good diet.

When they decided to bring a child into the world they should have known to research the subject, check with a doctor and find out how or even if it would be feasible to bring up the kid as a vegan.

They let their ideology come before the health of their child and that is simply unforgivable.[:/]
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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As vegans they should know how much extra care they need to ensure a good diet.



Now that's the real response. Is it likely that these 2 liked to call themselves Vegans for (whatever screwy or trendy reason) but were actually lazy about it and didn't really have the concept down enough to pull together a healthy diet plan for themselves - and likely not too successful even keeping themselves healthy, let alone an infant.

Either way, they were homicidally negligent. It's surprising they even made it to term. They should be sterilized and not allowed to care for children. Waste of money putting them in jail though.

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I'm dubious about the sentence, but my first thought after reading the article was 'whatever happened to breast feeding?'

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They are Vegans.

So are cows, but they feed their calves a mother's milk.


This just shows the stupidity of the lifestyle.

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This just shows the stupidity of the lifestyle

No, it shows that anything can be stupid if applied wrong.

An omnivorous diet can end up making you too fat if you eat too much of it. It can make you sick if you eat too much sugar and fat.

And I've never known a vegan who would balk at breast milk, either. But some babies don't nurse as easily as others, and some parents apparently don't put life above ideology/laziness.

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This just shows the stupidity of the lifestyle

No, it shows that anything can be stupid if applied wrong.

An omnivorous diet can end up making you too fat if you eat too much of it. It can make you sick if you eat too much sugar and fat.

And I've never known a vegan who would balk at breast milk, either. But some babies don't nurse as easily as others, and some parents apparently don't put life above ideology/laziness.

Wendy W.




Ahhh, the voice of reason....

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I'm dubious about the sentence, but my first thought after reading the article was 'whatever happened to breast feeding?'

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They are Vegans.

So are cows, but they feed their calves a mother's milk.


This just shows the stupidity of the lifestyle.


No it fucking doesn't. It shows that vegans are human. Humans do dumb and tragic things. I guess you're saying no omnivore has ever starved a child ??!!

What a ridiculous and narrow-minded statement....starving babies show the stupidity of the vegan lifestyle...sheesh. :S



edited: I replied way too quickly and now see that many others have responded much more eloquently.

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You know what's great about Royd? He regularly posts these really stupendously inane knee-jerk reactions then disappears or perhaps just ignores the flabbergasted responses.

You might almost think it was on purpose, although I can't for the life of me imagine what he gets out of it.


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You know what's great about Royd? He regularly posts these really stupendously inane knee-jerk reactions then disappears or perhaps just ignores the flabbergasted responses.

You might almost think it was on purpose, although I can't for the life of me imagine what he gets out of it.



I should know better.

This time I got caught off guard. :)

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It sounds to me that these people just aren't very bright? Or were they mentally ill? there aren't enough details here about the couple to make a "judgement." many public defenders are lax to get mental health evaluations on their clients. I often see many prisoners with severe illness that do not belong in prison, but in a forensic hospital. My heart was torn today when I one of my patients told me how afraid he is of his former "cellie." The patient is not only schizophrenic but mentally retarded. He is imprisoned for arson. He is much better served in a hospital.

As far as this couple, we won't know about the state of mind either of them were in. Keep in Mind, Andrea Yates was grossly psychotic when she killed her children. this couple could have been tremendously impaired. and still be vegan.

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im sure they probably fed the infant weed too when it was crying for milk..wow man..like we can make a kid just like us, veggie brained potheads just like us..you are what you eat.. you go you vegetable vegans.
Seriously..how many vegans you know that arent the worse of potheads..that go some obsession with plant life only...the funny thing is most i met are into pagan beleifs and such and are so against forcing religion on kids yet what the fuck these idiots doing with their kids? damn let a kid have a chance to grow up bigger than to have to be a scrawny armed vegan who will get his ass kicked all through school
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>Seriously..how many vegans you know that arent the worse of potheads . . .
Most of the vegans that I've met are fairly smart and sensible people.

>the funny thing is most i met are into pagan beleifs and such and are
>so against forcing religion on kids . . .

?? Again, most I've met have been pretty agnostic. One was quite religious, and believed christians had a duty to be vegans (to reduce suffering of animals.)

>damn let a kid have a chance to grow up bigger than to have
>to be a scrawny armed vegan who will get his ass kicked all through school. . .

If it's a choice between that and being a bacon-and-cheese-eating 300 pound tenth grader, I'd think most people would want to be scrawny! Best of all, of course, is to teach your kids to eat healthy whether they are vegetarians, vegans, or meat eaters.

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im sure they probably fed the infant weed too when it was crying for milk..wow man..like we can make a kid just like us, veggie brained potheads just like us..you are what you eat.. you go you vegetable vegans.
Seriously..how many vegans you know that arent the worse of potheads..that go some obsession with plant life only...the funny thing is most i met are into pagan beleifs and such and are so against forcing religion on kids yet what the fuck these idiots doing with their kids? damn let a kid have a chance to grow up bigger than to have to be a scrawny armed vegan who will get his ass kicked all through school



not only am I vegan, but I'm a raw vegan. meaning, I don't cook my food. So, smoking pot is definately out. Don't like the stuff anyway, and it smells terrible. All of my raw vegan friends and vegetarian friends are not pot heads. They are just ordinary people who happen to not eat meat.

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You know what's great about Royd? He regularly posts these really stupendously inane knee-jerk reactions then disappears or perhaps just ignores the flabbergasted responses.

You might almost think it was on purpose, although I can't for the life of me imagine what he gets out of it.

When you've got a stew on the stove, you've only got to go to the kitchen and stir it occasionally to be sure that it doesn't burn.

As for the vegan lifestyle, I've observed it long enough to realize that there are a lot of problems with getting all of your nutrition in proper doses by eating only vegetables. Most vegans seem to be on the puny side.

They also, as a group, have a cliquish, highmindedness. The lifestyle has all of the marks of a religion, which I know you despise.

I saw an episode of Wife Swap when a Cajun woman, whose life consisted of living on things from the swamp, went to Cal.

She was invited to a vegan party of friends of the other wife.

The Cajun offered some small gator skulls as gifts[pretty cool, if you ask me]. The gifts were rejected. They wouldn't even touch them. Then she was rejected, as if she was of some lower caste.

These two young people were probably in the lifestyle because it was the thing to do.

In a time when high school seniors can't read at a sixth grade level, and can't add a single column of numbers on a piece of paper, do we really expect them to put serious effort into knowing the problems of vegetarianism.

Vegetarian is an old Indian word meaning' poor hunter'.;)

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Similar Case from 2005

Similar Case from 2003

The vegan diet is hardly any issue or excuse - particularly since a 6 week everything should be breastmilk or, if you cannot, there are vegan infant formula available. There is plenty of information out there or there etc.

In any case, if your baby is in a shape where you can count the bones (what ever the causes) and you don't do anything about it you are criminally negligent at the very least.


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"As for the vegan lifestyle, I've observed it long enough to realize that there are a lot of problems with getting all of your nutrition in proper doses by eating only vegetables. Most vegans seem to be on the puny side...In a time when high school seniors can't read at a sixth grade level, and can't add a single column of numbers on a piece of paper, do we really expect them to put serious effort into knowing the problems of vegetarianism."

Royd you cant get to real conclusions by your limited observations. Maybe you should search the scientific literature and see what real data there is. I did that, you can read one such study here:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1022500&pageindex=1

in case you cant be bothered here are the bullet points:

1)Veggies have lower wieght, choletsrol and blood pressure
2)Veggies have lower mortality rates , especially lower incidence of heart disease and cancer
3)"substantial public health and enviromental benefits would likely result from a widespread adoption of vegetarianism"

Of course there are some very stupid vegans and veggie(the two are different); but there are also some very stupid meat eaters. The question is not that, its, are there serious disadvantages to being a veggie? and I woul say the answer to that is no. Most nutrtionist advise a balanced diet, eating in moderation and regular excericse. This is easily acheivable on a veggie diet. If you want to argue by anecdote i will give you an opposite one, Bill Pearl was a veggie and won Mr Universe. Of course my anecodte and your anecodte are really not meaningful, what is meaningful is peer reviewed research; show some of that supporting your prejudice against veggies and youll have a point, without it, you dont.

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