kallend 2,105
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Quote"Go ahead and dig them up they were probably ridiculous the first time around but sure give me a second laugh.
I might as well also point out the elephant in the room…
. . . "He is a great holy warrior of Islam and a great benefactor of the Afghan people," said Abdul Anan Himat, a senior official at the Taliban's information ministry in an interview with the Associated Press. "We won't hand him over to America under any circumstances. It is our stated policy."
Is all this funny enough for you?
Very good post. I hope people don't miss the point that the fundamental conflict that must be resolved for an effective solution to be found is the conflict within Islam - not the fact that some of the combatants in that conflict see lashing out at the West as a viable tactic in the battle. (And I'm not saying we should ignore that tactic - we certainly need to protect ourselves - but the former must be resolved before we can expect lasting relief from the later).
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
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Quote"And yes, I believe that we are in a global ideological war spawned by the religion of Islam. "
Agreed. There are those in Islam that want to replace democracy and an open society with a totalitarian theocracy. One might also point out that there are those in Christianity that want to do the same and in the past ( the dark ages) were very succesful in doing so.
Exactly. The difference is, in this day and age the sensible majority of Christians (along with a little assistance from we pagans) keep the radical right Christians in line. They occasionally try to rewrite some textbooks, or open museums that claim the dinosaurs cohabitated with humans at the beginning of Earth history (a mere 6K years ago); but aside from the relatively recent few slayings of civil rights workers, they have been kept in check.
Islam has a problem in that they can not control their radical elements. Too many of them seem to refuse to assist in protecting the rest of the world from the extremists at the radical fringe of their belief system. This is further complicated by the fact that the revisionist interpretation that spawned the radicalism came from and is still staunchly supported by none other than our closest bedfellows in the region - the Saudis.
Mix in a little of us sticking our nose in other people's business out of our own self interest making us a very appetizing target of opportunity and VOILA! Recipe for disaster.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
kallend 2,105
www.icasualties.org/oif/
The last 60 days have been the deadliest for US forces since the war began.
just another six months
The last 60 days have been the deadliest for US forces since the war began.
just another six months
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteSO Pelosi "Where's my jet?" doesn't meant that EVERYTHING you write is a lie?
It was never intended as a truthful statement. sorry you continually seem to miss that.
Then again, if that's all you've got to divert attention from the lies... blatant out and out lies... some people
have posted, then... I guess I should just feel bad for you.![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
QuoteQuoteIf you catch someone lying to you, odds are they'll do it again. But that doesn't mean everything they say is a lie.
Ah, your point wasn't making a distinction between two different types of people afterall. I thought you were saying something interesting. Sorry.
Some people tend to make simple matters needlessly complicated. Bummer.
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QuoteQuoteWhat a lovely piece of extremism, playing a bit loose with the facts.
Does that website paint anyone of prominence in a favorable light. From what I saw, they treat everyone with equal hostility.
typical of your strances.. rather than seeing the facts.. Apologist central is set in motion and attacks the source and the poster.. yet again.. I expected nothing less..
The FACT is... he is what he is.... a long record of being a yes man for political gain.. stepping over far more qualified superiors because of his Right Wing connections with your favorite NEO-CONS.... they made him.. used him.. and therw him away when he stopped being their YES MAN..
Typically disgusting
He did what he thought he had to do to stay in the game. He didn't agree with the tactics, but saw staying in the game as a way to maybe eventually get the chance to make things right.
Not apologizing for him, just acknowledging his tactics (which in the long run were maybe no better than those he was constantly fighting with in the administration).
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
kallend 2,105
QuoteQuoteSO Pelosi "Where's my jet?" doesn't meant that EVERYTHING you write is a lie?
It was never intended as a truthful statement. sorry you continually seem to miss that.
Well, of course, if you never INTENDED to be untruthful I suppose being untruthful is OK for you (and Cheney, and Bush, and Powell, and Rumsfeld, and Rice...).
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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QuoteJust because someone is shown to have told a lie, that doesn't mean everything they say is a lie.
Right, it just means you have to guess your best about when they lie versus when they are telling the truth. Once their credibility reaches that low level, they really should be removed from any position of authority. Unfortunately, that is not how our political process works.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
QuoteQuotethose points do nothing to prove he attempted to coverup the My Lai Massacre. Here's the bottom line on this historical footnote. We have no proof Powell even knew about the massacre. It's kind of hard to cover something up that you're unaware of.
Considering he had been specifically tasked by his commanding general with investigating reports of atrocities committed by his division, IT WAS HIS JOB TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. One wonders why he was unaware of it. Are you now claiming that he was inept and incompetent?
I'm just saying we have no evidence that Powell tried to cover it up, despite your claim that he did.
You made the claim. I called you on it. You provided google results for colin powell my lai.
Good show, ole boy.
Talk about your damning evidence.
kallend 2,105
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat a lovely piece of extremism, playing a bit loose with the facts.
Does that website paint anyone of prominence in a favorable light. From what I saw, they treat everyone with equal hostility.
typical of your strances.. rather than seeing the facts.. Apologist central is set in motion and attacks the source and the poster.. yet again.. I expected nothing less..
The FACT is... he is what he is.... a long record of being a yes man for political gain.. stepping over far more qualified superiors because of his Right Wing connections with your favorite NEO-CONS.... they made him.. used him.. and therw him away when he stopped being their YES MAN..
Typically disgusting
He did what he thought he had to do to stay in the game. He didn't agree with the tactics, but saw staying in the game as a way to maybe eventually get the chance to make things right.
Not apologizing for him, just acknowledging his tactics (which in the long run were maybe no better than those he was constantly fighting with in the administration).
The "Stay in the game" defense makes a refreshing change from the "Bad intel" defense or the "Clinton did it first" defense.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,105
QuoteQuoteQuotethose points do nothing to prove he attempted to coverup the My Lai Massacre. Here's the bottom line on this historical footnote. We have no proof Powell even knew about the massacre. It's kind of hard to cover something up that you're unaware of.
Considering he had been specifically tasked by his commanding general with investigating reports of atrocities committed by his division, IT WAS HIS JOB TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. One wonders why he was unaware of it. Are you now claiming that he was inept and incompetent?
I'm just saying we have no evidence that Powell tried to cover it up, despite your claim that he did.
You made the claim. I called you on it. You provided google results for colin powell my lai.
Good show, ole boy.
Talk about your damning evidence.
You avoided the issue.
Let's just ass-ume you are right:
How DO you reconcile Powell's ineptitude as a major investigating atrocities for his general (and not finding a massacre) with his rapid rise through the ranks to become Chairman of the JCS and then Secretary of State?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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"Exactly. The difference is, in this day and age the sensible majority of Christians (along with a little assistance from we pagans) keep the radical right Christians in line. "
I agree 100% . I think the rise of Islamic extremism is one very good example fo what can happen when religious beliefs go unchecked and unquestioned.
I agree 100% . I think the rise of Islamic extremism is one very good example fo what can happen when religious beliefs go unchecked and unquestioned.
I intended it as hyperbole. Sorry you can't quite come to terms with that.QuoteWell, of course, if you never INTENDED to be untruthfulQuoteQuoteSO Pelosi "Where's my jet?" doesn't meant that EVERYTHING you write is a lie?
It was never intended as a truthful statement. Sorry you continually seem to miss that.
QuoteI suppose being untruthful is OK for you (and Cheney, and Bush, and Powell, and Rumsfeld, and Rice...).
This is funny considering you've made several claims that contained blatant lies. That's lies... as in more than one. And tried repeatedly to defend them.We're not talking about misunderstandings or shades of gray... just flat out lies.
And all you've got in return, is a statement that was never intended to be treated as fact and I immediately said so, when asked about it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethose points do nothing to prove he attempted to coverup the My Lai Massacre. Here's the bottom line on this historical footnote. We have no proof Powell even knew about the massacre. It's kind of hard to cover something up that you're unaware of.
Considering he had been specifically tasked by his commanding general with investigating reports of atrocities committed by his division, IT WAS HIS JOB TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. One wonders why he was unaware of it. Are you now claiming that he was inept and incompetent?
I'm just saying we have no evidence that Powell tried to cover it up, despite your claim that he did.
You made the claim. I called you on it. You provided google results for colin powell my lai.
Good show, ole boy.
Talk about your damning evidence.
You avoided the issue.
I avoided the issue.
You mean the one you're trying to use to distract from the issue of you posting a bullshit claim?
LMAO
QuoteHow DO you reconcile Powell's ineptitude as a major investigating atrocities for his general (and not finding a massacre) with his rapid rise through the ranks to become Chairman of the JCS and then Secretary of State?
I don't know! Really, I don't. Maybe he was a team player... doing cursory job... but not digging where he might find something he doesn't want to report.
This still does nothing to prove he participated in an attempted coverup.
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QuoteThe "Stay in the game" defense makes a refreshing change from the "Bad intel" defense or the "Clinton did it first" defense.
Just to be clear - I'm not defending him (Powell), just explaining his behaviors. He has repeatedly over the course of his career compromised his integrity in the belief that he could eventually steer things in a different direction.
(At least I thought I was responding to comments about Powell).
The Prez, he's just plain incompetent - which should be no surprise to anyone. He's just the figurehead for a power structure. He belongs behind a pulpit in some Baptist chuch more than he belongs behind a desk in the Oval Office.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
kallend 2,105
QuoteQuoteThe "Stay in the game" defense makes a refreshing change from the "Bad intel" defense or the "Clinton did it first" defense.
Just to be clear - I'm not defending him (Powell), just explaining his behaviors. He has repeatedly over the course of his career compromised his integrity in the belief that he could eventually steer things in a different direction.
(At least I thought I was responding to comments about Powell).
The Prez, he's just plain incompetent - which should be no surprise to anyone. He's just the figurehead for a power structure. He belongs behind a pulpit in some Baptist chuch more than he belongs behind a desk in the Oval Office.
Yes, I realized that. Just that "Bad intel" and "CDIF" come up so often from our friends on the right.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,105
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethose points do nothing to prove he attempted to coverup the My Lai Massacre. Here's the bottom line on this historical footnote. We have no proof Powell even knew about the massacre. It's kind of hard to cover something up that you're unaware of.
Considering he had been specifically tasked by his commanding general with investigating reports of atrocities committed by his division, IT WAS HIS JOB TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. One wonders why he was unaware of it. Are you now claiming that he was inept and incompetent?
I'm just saying we have no evidence that Powell tried to cover it up, despite your claim that he did.
You made the claim. I called you on it. You provided google results for colin powell my lai.
Good show, ole boy.
Talk about your damning evidence.
You avoided the issue.
I avoided the issue.
LMAOQuoteHow DO you reconcile Powell's ineptitude as a major investigating atrocities for his general (and not finding a massacre) with his rapid rise through the ranks to become Chairman of the JCS and then Secretary of State?
I don't know! Really, I don't. Maybe he was a team player... doing cursory job... but not digging where he might find something he doesn't want to report.
This still does nothing to prove he participated in an attempted coverup.
It was concealed from the public for a year - that makes it a cover-up, not an "attempted" cover up. He WAS a participant by virtue of his mission and his whitewashing report. Whether he was a dupe or a knowing participant is the only issue.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteIt was concealed from the public for a year - that makes it a cover-up, not an "attempted" cover up.
You whine about my use of "attempted". LOL That was your word choice when you posted "I recall there was once a massacre at a place called My Lai; that cover up was attempted (unsuccessfully) by one Major Colin Powell."
QuoteHe WAS a participant by virtue of his mission and his whitewashing report. Whether he was a dupe or a knowing participant is the only issue.
Sure thing, professor.You just keep swinging away... whiffin 'em like a champ.
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>The last 60 days have been the deadliest for US forces since the war began.
So? There are far more important things to discuss, like the meaning of "attempted" and "is".
Edited to add - I ran a graph with some smoothing of coalition fatalities since the beginning of the war. Shows the trends since the beginning of the surge.
So? There are far more important things to discuss, like the meaning of "attempted" and "is".
Edited to add - I ran a graph with some smoothing of coalition fatalities since the beginning of the war. Shows the trends since the beginning of the surge.
Considering he had been specifically tasked by his commanding general with investigating reports of atrocities committed by his division, IT WAS HIS JOB TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT. One wonders why he was unaware of it. Are you now claiming that he was inept and incompetent?
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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