Ron Paul is the man.

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If I believed in god, I'd thank him for politicians who actually give a shit about the Constitution and don't hesitate to say what they think.

I don't care if I have to write him in next year, he's had my vote since the moment he announced he was in the running. I just hope people will pull their heads out of their asses and see that he's got the right idea.

cavete terrae.

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For those who prefer not to read...
from youtube:http://youtube.com/watch?v=xKITUOl0NBc

For those who prefer to read
from http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17727.htm

..."Well," he said, "I think the party has lost its way, because the conservative wing of the Republican Party always advocated a noninterventionist foreign policy. Senator Robert Taft didn't even want to be in NATO. George Bush won the election in the year 2000 campaigning on a humble foreign policy –no nation-building, no policing of the world. Republicans were elected to end the Korean War. The Republicans were elected to end the Vietnam War. There's a strong tradition of being anti-war in the Republican party. It is the constitutional position. It is the advice of the Founders to follow a non-interventionist foreign policy, stay out of entangling alliances, be friends with countries, negotiate and talk with them and trade with them."

He was then asked if 9-11 changed anything. He responded that US foreign policy was a "major contributing factor. Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attacked us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East –I think Reagan was right. We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. So right now we're building an embassy in Iraq that's bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us. "

And then out of the blue, he was asked whether we invited the attacks.

"I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it, and they are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said, 'I am glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.' They have already now since that time –have killed 3,400 of our men, and I don't think it was necessary."

Then the very archetype of the State Enforcer popped up to shout him down.

"That's really an extraordinary statement," said Rudy Giuliani. "That's an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I've heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th."

Now, this is interesting because it is obvious that Ron never said that we invited the attacks. This was a lie. He said the US foreign policy was a "contributing factor" in why they attacked us, a fact which only a fool or a liar could deny. Guiliani then went on to say that he has never "heard that before" –a statement that testifies to the extent of the blackout on this question.

Ron Paul was invited to respond, and concluded as follows:

"I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback. When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the shah, yes, there was blowback. A reaction to that was the taking of our hostages and that persists. And if we ignore that, we ignore that at our own risk. If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem. They don't come here to attack us because we're rich and we're free. They come and they attack us because we're over there. I mean, what would we think if we were –if other foreign countries were doing that to us?"

Wow, he broke the great taboo in American political life! Why this should be a taboo at all is unclear, but there it is. But now that it is finally out in the open, this shocking theory that the terrorists were not merely freedom-hating madmen but perhaps had some actual motive for their crime, let's think a bit more about it.

It is a normal part of human experience that if you occupy, meddle, bully, and coerce, people who are affected by it all are going to get angry. You don't have to be Muslim to get the point. The problem is that most of the American people simply have no idea what has been happening in the last ten years. Most Americans think that America the country is much like their own neighborhood: peaceful, happy, hard working, law abiding. So when you tell people that the US is actually something completely different, they are shocked....

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2007/05/18/but_who_was_right_--_rudy_or_ron

It's hard to believe who authored that, but then again I saw the PBS "Crossroads" show a couple weeks ago where Richard Perle was debating Buchanan, and Pat sounded like a liberal in contrast to Perle.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Buchanan's position re. foreign policy is more in line with traditional conservatives.

Unlike the war-greedy neo-con interventionists that are in power today.

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I've never voted for a Republican for president before, but I'd vote for Ron Paul.

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2007/05/18/but_who_was_right_--_rudy_or_ron

It's hard to believe who authored that, but then again I saw the PBS "Crossroads" show a couple weeks ago where Richard Perle was debating Buchanan, and Pat sounded like a liberal in contrast to Perle.

That was a great series. I only wished they had covered more of the history of the Middle East leading up to today's conflicts; especially focusing on the fact that the biggest conflict, and really the root of it all, is the conflict within Islam itself.

It would have been very enlightening primarily because more people, even the ones who seem to think it is as simple as "because they hate us" would probably be willing to watch it than read about it.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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That was a great series. I only wished they had covered more of the history of the Middle East leading up to today's conflicts; especially focusing on the fact that the biggest conflict, and really the root of it all, is the conflict within Islam itself.

It would have been very enlightening primarily because more people, even the ones who seem to think it is as simple as "because they hate us" would probably be willing to watch it than read about it.

If you are interested in the history of Islam and Mideast oil, I recommend reading "Sleeping with the Devil" by Robert Baer.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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I've never voted for a Republican for president before, but I'd vote for Ron Paul.

Would you vote for a Republican if he or she slept with a Nancy Pelosi blow-up doll?

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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Would you vote for a Republican if he or she slept with a Nancy Pelosi blow-up doll?

If they had video, well d'uh

Owned by Remi #?

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http://www.freecentury.com/2007/05/20/breaking-news-ron-paul-on-cnn-late-edition-52007/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Interesting enough, FOX news is attacking Paul and is part of the vocal majority calling for Paul not to attend anymore debates. Guess this is what happens when you speak truth and not spin. He is the first politican in a long time that didn't insult my intelligence and he had the courage to saw what needed to be said. I would love to see him be the GOP candidate for office but I doubt it will ever happen.

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I WILL fly again.....

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Why the hell can't a guy like Ron Paul get nominated? It's not as though a lot of people don't agree with his positions.

Just once I'd like to go to the polls when it wasn't a desperate act of damage control.

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Honestly? He can probably get nominated if he gets enough votes in the primary, but he is a huge threat to a lot of powerful groups and people, so they'll be doing anything they can to discredit him.

cavete terrae.

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clicky article about Ron Paul in the Republican debates

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[ryoder 1,590]

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2434274320070524?pageNumber=1

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Why the hell can't a guy like Ron Paul get nominated? It's not as though a lot of people don't agree with his positions.

Just once I'd like to go to the polls when it wasn't a desperate act of damage control.

Why? Because (unfortunately) instead of keeping their delivery low-key and concentrating on the points of the libertarian platform that the public wants to hear, they go full-court-press on the whole platform and turn people off to the message...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I've never voted for a Republican for president before, but I'd vote for Ron Paul.

I don't know enough about him to go that far, but if the above are an accurate depiction of his attitude, he'd absolutely get my consideration. I try to explain to people that I'm really so far right that they just think of me as left, but nobody gets it.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I'd love to see the Republicans nominate Ron Paul, while the Democrats nominated Mike Gravel. Then I would be in the novel position of choosing which one I liked best, instead of the normal mode of choosing the candidate that disgusts me least.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Just bumping this up again;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKZmIzEMUN8

This Sunday, December 16th is the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. It is being commemorated by a fund raising drive for Ron Paul's campaign.
http://www.teaparty07.com/

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