England banning smoking in enclosed public place

[Mike111 0]

oioi sheepy shagger

On a serious note, i support the ban cos of the passive smoknig deaths - its 5000 in france p.a.

However, god knows that clubs and bar will smell like without it.

Bio

[Mike111 0]

i do indeed.

Although i quitting.

[shropshire 0]

Good f'you... that's jump money that you're buring.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Mike111 0]

save the lectures

Dirty habit i know, but still hard to quit.im getting there
Slowly

[shropshire 0]

Kids today.... spinless or wot?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[skydyvr 0]

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In a police state like England? I'm less surprised to see laws like this.

'Patriot' Act, anyone?

Patriot act aside, it's actually the LEFT driving US civil rights into the crapper England finds itself in today.

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[DZJ 0]

Oh I see, its the fault of the people who aren't in power, gotcha.

[skydyvr 0]

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Oh I see, its the fault of the people who aren't in power, gotcha.

Doesn't matter who's in power. I am referring to the fact that there are forces on both the Left and the Right which would deprive us of our personal freedoms. One party wants one set of rights diminshed, and the other party wants another set of rights diminished. They ALL suck.

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[pincheck 0]

the nanny government in the UK has had smoking in its sites for a long time but they subsidise your Nhs and other things like eduction with what the pay in tax per pack can you imagine the black hole that would leave for the taxpayer to plug if everyone quit I gave up 3 years ago and i am a asthma sufferer and yes it has improved my health but i hate to be the one to break the news here its got bugger all to do with health. pardon the pun but its all smoke and mirrors by the labour government once that's been dealt with and you can see the shift. Its your beer Tony and drinkers so how do the balance the loss most likely take the motorist and screw the pooch there Road tolls, higher road tax and fuel tax all conventionally dressed up in green environmentally friendly measures.

I don't disagree with non smoking in pubs clubs but i don't believe excluding smokers will help there has to be balance but where

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[shropshire 0]

I agree it's a decison to make politcal hay (they need bucket loads of brownie points at the moment)
and they will get their tax to pay for more stuff that we dont want or need (Police actions, ID cards, bioPassports etc..) - but the very positive out come will be that you will not need to suffer passive smoke - that may not be their intention but it's a big win for The People.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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I agree it's a decison to make politcal hay (they need bucket loads of brownie points at the moment)
and they will get their tax to pay for more stuff that we dont want or need (Police actions, ID cards, bioPassports etc..) - but the very positive out come will be that you will not need to suffer passive smoke - that may not be their intention but it's a big win for The People.

Those who trade liberty for security…

cavete terrae.

[pincheck 0]

I find it very hard to believe a thing this government tell me and look on most of the spin as bullshit. This was the main reason labour got their ass kicked up here in a place that was their strong hold. In the winning the last 2 Scottish elections they only managed to bring in the no smoking in public law . That and spending +480million on that monstrous parliament my fucking local hospital is effectively being downgraded due to them having to show and Justify the bloody new pfi on in Edinburgh. The smoking law although welcome is the least of our worries its the lack off anything else happening.

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[shropshire 0]

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Not at all.. the folks who choose to keep their lungs clean have way more right to that particular aim than anyone else who claim the right to fuck us all
over.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

A politician only lies when his/her lips move
See you at Hib' - bring a carry out

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Not at all.. the folks who choose to keep their lungs clean have way more right to that particular aim than anyone else who claim the right to fuck us all
over.

You don't have to go to the establishments that allow smoking. I don't have much of a problem with governments barring smoking out on the street or whatever. I have a problem with them barring it on private property.

cavete terrae.

[shropshire 0]

On that we agree.... but best to get rid of the spinless jerks anyway

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[pincheck 0]

well it the cheapest place on the planet to get a carry out

Last time i was down your way would you believe the biggest packs i could find where 12 come on what is that about you know you need a minimum of 24 for starters

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In Vancouver B.C. Canada smoking is banned inside-
prohibitions in bars and restaurants were based on health risks to workers and patrons.

I am a smoker but do not understand how other smokers figure the earth is an ashtray to litter with butts. I would like to see a ban on smoking at all public beaches, parks, playgrounds.

Our beaches are so beautiful here but the sand is littered with butts.....discusting. Collect butts from public spaces and send them to city hall, just as Californians did to lobby their city governments?

Maybe ban the current standard of cigarettes and only sell tobacco, no more filters and crap that litters and harbors a shtiload of chemicals. If smokers want to keep smoking, why not roll there own? I think rolling helps me to cut down the addiction.

attached: 20453_b- beach in Portugal

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/unwind/story.html?id=b52dfac5-52eb-44f5-9c23-a037c4568cc7

SMiles

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In Vancouver B.C. Canada smoking is banned inside-
prohibitions in bars and restaurants were based on health risks to workers and patrons.

I am a smoker but do not understand how other smokers figure the earth is an ashtray to litter with butts. I would like to see a ban on smoking at all public beaches, parks, playgrounds.

Our beaches are so beautiful here but the sand is littered with butts.....discusting. Collect butts from public spaces and send them to city hall, just as Californians did to lobby their city governments?

Maybe ban the current standard of cigarettes and only sell tobacco, no more filters and crap that litters and harbors a shtiload of chemicals. If smokers want to keep smoking, why not roll there own? I think rolling helps me to cut down the addiction.

attached: 20453_b- beach in Portugal

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/unwind/story.html?id=b52dfac5-52eb-44f5-9c23-a037c4568cc7

SMiles

Why not just crack down on littering. While I think smokers are (somewhat) unjustly being treated as pariahs, I still get annoyed when I see butts being tossed out the window.

One thing the tobacco companies could do to offset the increasingly negative image of smokers is launch a "Don't litter" campaign.

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Why not just crack down on littering. While I think smokers are (somewhat) unjustly being treated as pariahs, I still get annoyed when I see butts being tossed out the window.

Property owners should be able to do what they want (ban or allow smoking).

What I'd like to see is three things. When a smoker smokes in a non-smoking establishment, a HUGE fine enforced by police.

Serious enforcement of smoking areas so they don't congregate next to entries.

As far as the littering, enforce it with a HUGE fine. Maybe even allow for calling it in from cell phones reported to license plates. You can't ticket the call in, but if a guy gets pulled over for it, and his record has a huge list of callins, then that bumps up the fine dramatically. They have ashtrays, pitching them anywhere has nothing to do with smoking, it has to do with littering. (same with cups and cans, and other trash) (this shouldn't be an issue, because every single smoker I know claims to NEVER throw a butt on the ground - all these butts in the gutters and roadsides are leftovers from the 50's apparently)

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It's not the government's job to tell people what they may or may not do with their own bodies on private property and places of business

What about what those people do with OTHER PEOPLE's bodies, ie. non-smoking bystanders?

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[shropshire 0]

Too true.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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It's not the government's job to tell people what they may or may not do with their own bodies on private property and places of business

What about what those people do with OTHER PEOPLE's bodies, ie. non-smoking bystanders?

You mean those bystanders, who voluntarily enter private properties, where the owner allows smoking?

[billvon 3,009]

>t's not the government's job to tell people what they may or may not
>do with their own bodies on private property and places of business.

I agree. People should be able to do whatever they want in their homes or businesses, provided they are not putting others at risk. In general this translates to it being OK to smoke at home or at work if it's a sole proprietorship, or if the employees are separate from you when you smoke. It's not OK to endanger employees, though. (That's why we have OSHA.)

[AndyBoyd 0]

Seems to me the free market could sort this out in both the UK and the USA without government intervention. By now, everyone with half a brain knows that smoking, and breathing second-hand smoke, is unhealthy. Bars, restaurants, etc., ought to be able to decide for themselves whether to allow smoking. If the public really wants smoke-free bars & restaurants, these places will prosper, and more and more places will adopt non-smoking policies. But if there is a segment of the population that wants to have a cigarette or a cigar with their meal or drink, a certain number of places that allow smoking will remain. Then, people can (gasp!) decide for themselves whether to frequent the smoking or non-smoking places without having the government trample all over everyone's freedom of choice. I don't mean to be insensitive to the health issues involved here. I guess I just think that people are generally smart enough to make up their own minds about smoking and second-hand smoke, without the government making criminals out of smokers.