MDMA 0 #101 June 11, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I guess faith once again prevails over reason and rationality. Exhibit some before you claim the high ground. Hmmm....so according to you, I should not only be "ashamed" of my opinion, but I should also be religious in order to be permitted that opinion? Nice. Was it Mark Twain who said "It's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you a fool, than open it and remove all doubt"? you should have kept your mouth shut and not asked the question Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #102 June 11, 2007 Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #103 June 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Even so, it's second hand information, at best. As far as the story in the original post: I don't believe it. Even if it's true, the guy that was moving was wrong. It makes a catchy, poignant story, but it's silly. I don't believe the story as anything but a modern parable either, yet I disagree that it's a silly way of thinking. It's only silly if you can't see the perspective of the Holocaust survivor. C'mon over to our place. Happy to show you what the US Government has consistently done to our culture and race. Our/my perspective is one you'll likely never grasp because you haven't existed in this environment for any length of time. But you'd probably think the majority perspective here is "silly." Incidentally, wouldn't you agree that most news today is second hand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NewGuy2005 53 #104 June 11, 2007 [replyI don't believe the story as anything but a modern parable either, yet I disagree that it's a silly way of thinking. It's only silly if you can't see the perspective of the Holocaust survivor. C'mon over to our place. Happy to show you what the US Government has consistently done to our culture and race. Our/my perspective is one you'll likely never grasp because you haven't existed in this environment for any length of time. But you'd probably think the majority perspective here is "silly." Incidentally, wouldn't you agree that most news today is second hand? It's only not silly if his claim that we are living in the prelude to the next Holocaust is accurate. Do you really think that's what we are living in? Yes, I agree that most news is second hand info, at best. Can't argue with your last point, either. I don't think it's silly at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MDMA 0 #105 June 11, 2007 Quote Both of you cut it out. yes dad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #106 June 11, 2007 it's only not silly if he truly believes (based on past experience) that we're heading for another Holocaust. I don't believe we'll see a racially-driven extermination or physical extermination of a group of people, no. I do believe we're witnessing an intentional, systematic extermination of the middle class and history shows if that happens, a revolt will occur and a lot of people will likely die. Do I believe that we're heading for a Nazi-like government? If the course of American society isn't drastically altered then yes, I do. It won't likely be in my lifetime, but I wonder about my daughter's future. We've lost our balance in government over the past 7 years, and while that was recognized in the past election, I don't know that enough has yet been done to rebalance the scale. Given that most of my business can be operated outside the US, my business partners and I often discuss leaving the US. My cultural ties are likely the only major issue preventing that from occurring. If we could achieve a government that wasn't controlled by an elite group of wealth with primary loyalties to big business...America stands a chance to be the greatest again. It's a great country, still overall the best place in the world but the decline is easy to observe, IMO. We need another New Deal (would it still be called a "New" Deal?) Conversely, I'm a godless fool who should be ashamed of opinion based on living in a non-level world anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joedirt 0 #107 June 12, 2007 The middle class will change, but it is not a systematic deliberate extermination. This is the evolution to a wealthy economy...agricultural...then manufacturing...then consumer. The wealthy would get wealthier if the middle class was bigger and created more consumerism. Banks don't want to keep people poor...they want to keep them in debt, and the middle class is great for consumer credit. That helps businesses and banks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
NewGuy2005 53 #104 June 11, 2007 [replyI don't believe the story as anything but a modern parable either, yet I disagree that it's a silly way of thinking. It's only silly if you can't see the perspective of the Holocaust survivor. C'mon over to our place. Happy to show you what the US Government has consistently done to our culture and race. Our/my perspective is one you'll likely never grasp because you haven't existed in this environment for any length of time. But you'd probably think the majority perspective here is "silly." Incidentally, wouldn't you agree that most news today is second hand? It's only not silly if his claim that we are living in the prelude to the next Holocaust is accurate. Do you really think that's what we are living in? Yes, I agree that most news is second hand info, at best. Can't argue with your last point, either. I don't think it's silly at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDMA 0 #105 June 11, 2007 Quote Both of you cut it out. yes dad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #106 June 11, 2007 it's only not silly if he truly believes (based on past experience) that we're heading for another Holocaust. I don't believe we'll see a racially-driven extermination or physical extermination of a group of people, no. I do believe we're witnessing an intentional, systematic extermination of the middle class and history shows if that happens, a revolt will occur and a lot of people will likely die. Do I believe that we're heading for a Nazi-like government? If the course of American society isn't drastically altered then yes, I do. It won't likely be in my lifetime, but I wonder about my daughter's future. We've lost our balance in government over the past 7 years, and while that was recognized in the past election, I don't know that enough has yet been done to rebalance the scale. Given that most of my business can be operated outside the US, my business partners and I often discuss leaving the US. My cultural ties are likely the only major issue preventing that from occurring. If we could achieve a government that wasn't controlled by an elite group of wealth with primary loyalties to big business...America stands a chance to be the greatest again. It's a great country, still overall the best place in the world but the decline is easy to observe, IMO. We need another New Deal (would it still be called a "New" Deal?) Conversely, I'm a godless fool who should be ashamed of opinion based on living in a non-level world anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #107 June 12, 2007 The middle class will change, but it is not a systematic deliberate extermination. This is the evolution to a wealthy economy...agricultural...then manufacturing...then consumer. The wealthy would get wealthier if the middle class was bigger and created more consumerism. Banks don't want to keep people poor...they want to keep them in debt, and the middle class is great for consumer credit. That helps businesses and banks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
