Were did God come from?

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All of what you wrote means nothing to me. What are you trying to accomplish?

I'm just asking you a question. You are going to die someday (maybe sooner than you think) and will have some serious matters to deal with concerning your eternity. I'll ask again. Seeing as how you have admitted guilt, should God send you to heaven or hell?

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To one who examines the evidence, there can be no doubt that God exists. Every building has a builder. Everything made has a maker.

if everything has a maker, then god has a maker too, and god's maker has a maker etc.

so who made god's maker's maker's maker?

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Your presupposition is incorrect. Everything does not have a maker. "Everything made has a maker." In other words, everything that has come into existence, was brought into existence by something else. God, by definition, is eternal. Nothing brought him into existence, therefore, there is no infinite regression and He is the "uncaused cause" for everything.

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>Everything does not have a maker. "Everything made has a maker."

Fair enough! The earth is pretty clearly "not made" so that solves that particular problem.

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>Everything does not have a maker. "Everything made has a maker."

Fair enough! The earth is pretty clearly "not made" so that solves that particular problem.

That is debatable.

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>Everything does not have a maker. "Everything made has a maker."

Fair enough! The earth is pretty clearly "not made" so that solves that particular problem.

That is debatable.

If it's debatable whether the earth was "made" (which I don't think it is), then it's debatable whether there was a maker too.

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All of what you wrote means nothing to me. What are you trying to accomplish?

I'm just asking you a question. You are going to die someday (maybe sooner than you think) and will have some serious matters to deal with concerning your eternity. I'll ask again. Seeing as how you have admitted guilt, should God send you to heaven or hell?

That is assuming you are correct and there is a god. Yes I could die at any time. Maybe in my sleep tonight or tomorrow on my way to work. Might even happen on my next jump. As for guilt, everyone is guilty of something. Gods are the creation of men who needed answers "life the universe and everything". I think the idea of a god or gods is a cop out. It's the easy answer because people like you can't handle the idea that maybe there isn't any answers. That we are just here. No reason. No creator. Just a product of chance over trillions of billions of years of a shifting and changing universe. When we die it's just game over. There isn't any proof that the Christian God exists. If there were then there would be no need for faith.

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I accept my mortality. I am just trying to live life that best way I know how. I can't believe in something as ridiculous as God or any gods. It just doesn't make any sense to me. So you can talk all you want about heaven or hell. It doesn't make any difference how you judge me.

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im with you all the way

[Lindsey 0]

Speaking of god, has anybody seen the play, "Dog sees god?" Just saw the title the other day in some credits, and it cracked me up.

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If it's debatable whether the earth was "made" (which I don't think it is), then it's debatable whether there was a maker too.

Fair enough. I'm posting my point of view. You're posting yours.

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If it's debatable whether the earth was "made" (which I don't think it is), then it's debatable whether there was a maker too.

Fair enough. I'm posting my point of view. You're posting yours.

I see that as progress. :)

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All of what you wrote means nothing to me. What are you trying to accomplish?

I'm just asking you a question. You are going to die someday (maybe sooner than you think) and will have some serious matters to deal with concerning your eternity. I'll ask again. Seeing as how you have admitted guilt, should God send you to heaven or hell?

That is assuming you are correct and there is a god. Yes I could die at any time. Maybe in my sleep tonight or tomorrow on my way to work. Might even happen on my next jump. As for guilt, everyone is guilty of something. Gods are the creation of men who needed answers "life the universe and everything". I think the idea of a god or gods is a cop out. It's the easy answer because people like you can't handle the idea that maybe there isn't any answers. That we are just here. No reason. No creator. Just a product of chance over trillions of billions of years of a shifting and changing universe. When we die it's just game over. There isn't any proof that the Christian God exists. If there were then there would be no need for faith.

Should God send you to heaven or hell?

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I accept my mortality. I am just trying to live life that best way I know how. I can't believe in something as ridiculous as God or any gods. It just doesn't make any sense to me. So you can talk all you want about heaven or hell. It doesn't make any difference how you judge me.

Believe me... I am NOT judging you. I don't place myself anywhere above you in the goodness category.

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Should God send you to heaven or hell?

Who's the best captain, Kirk or Birdseye?

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>Everything does not have a maker. "Everything made has a maker."

Fair enough! The earth is pretty clearly "not made" so that solves that particular problem.

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make1 /meɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[meyk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, made, mak·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1. to bring into existence by shaping or changing material, combining parts, etc.: to make a dress; to make a channel; to make a work of art.
2. to produce; cause to exist or happen; bring about: to make trouble; to make war.
3. to cause to be or become; render: to make someone happy.
4. to appoint or name: The President made her his special envoy.
5. to put in the proper condition or state, as for use; fix; prepare: to make a bed; to make dinner.
6. to bring into a certain form: to make bricks out of clay.
7. to convert from one state, condition, category, etc., to another: to make a virtue of one's vices.
8. to cause, induce, or compel: to make a horse jump a barrier.
9. to give rise to; occasion: It's not worth making a fuss over such a trifle.
10. to produce, earn, or win for oneself: to make a good salary; to make one's fortune in oil.
11. to write or compose: to make a short poem for the occasion.
12. to draw up, as a legal document; draft: to make a will.
13. to do; effect: to make a bargain.
14. to establish or enact; put into existence: to make laws.
15. to become by development; prove to be: You'll make a good lawyer.
16. to form in the mind, as a judgment or estimate: to make a decision.
17. to judge or interpret, as to the truth, nature, meaning, etc. (often fol. by of): What do you make of it?
18. to estimate; reckon: to make the distance at ten miles.
19. to bring together separate parts so as to produce a whole; compose; form: to make a matched set.
20. to amount to; bring up the total to: Two plus two makes four. That makes an even dozen.
21. to serve as: to make good reading.
22. to be sufficient to constitute: One story does not make a writer.
23. to be adequate or suitable for: This wool will make a warm sweater.
24. to assure the success or fortune of: a deal that could make or break him; Seeing her made my day.
25. to deliver, utter, or put forth: to make a stirring speech.
26. to go or travel at a particular speed: to make 60 miles an hour.
27. to arrive at or reach; attain: The ship made port on Friday. Do you think he'll make 80?
28. to arrive in time for: to make the first show.
29. to arrive in time to be a passenger on (a plane, boat, bus, train, etc.): If you hurry, you can make the next flight.
30. Informal. to gain or acquire a position within: He made the big time.
31. to receive mention or appear in or on: The robbery made the front page.
32. to gain recognition or honor by winning a place or being chosen for inclusion in or on: The novel made the bestseller list. He made the all-American team three years in a row.
33. Slang. to have sexual intercourse with.
34. Cards.
a. to name (the trump).
b. to take a trick with (a card).
c. Bridge. to fulfill or achieve (a contract or bid).
d. to shuffle (the cards).
35. to earn, as a score: The team made 40 points in the first half.
36. Slang. (esp. in police and underworld use)
a. to recognize or identify: Any cop in town will make you as soon as you walk down the street.
b. to charge or cause to be charged with a crime: The police expect to make a couple of suspects soon.
37. to close (an electric circuit).
38. South Midland and Southern U.S. to plant and cultivate or produce (a crop): He makes some of the best corn in the country.
–verb (used without object)
39. to cause oneself, or something understood, to be as specified: to make sure.
40. to show oneself to be or seem in action or behavior (usually fol. by an adjective): to make merry.
41. to be made, as specified: This fabric makes up into beautiful drapes.
42. to move or proceed in a particular direction: They made after the thief.
43. to rise, as the tide or water in a ship.
44. South Midland and Southern U.S. (of a crop) to grow, develop, or mature: It looks like the corn's going to make pretty good this year.
45. make down, Chiefly Pennsylvania German. to rain or snow: It's making down hard.
46. make fast, Chiefly Nautical. to fasten or secure.
47. make shut, Chiefly Pennsylvania German. to close: Make the door shut.
–noun
48. the style or manner in which something is made; form; build.
49. production with reference to the maker; brand: our own make.
50. disposition; character; nature.
51. the act or process of making.
52. quantity made; output.
53. Cards. the act of naming the trump, or the suit named as trump.
54. Electricity. the closing of an electric circuit.
55. Jewelry. the excellence of a polished diamond with regard to proportion, symmetry, and finish.
56. Slang. identifying information about a person or thing from police records: He radioed headquarters for a make on the car's license plate.
—Verb phrases
57. make out,
a. to write out or complete, as a bill or check.
b. to establish; prove.
c. to decipher; discern.
d. to imply, suggest, or impute: He made me out to be a liar.
e. to manage; succeed: How are you making out in your new job?
f. Slang. to engage in kissing and caressing; neck.
g. Slang. to have sexual intercourse.
h. Chiefly Pennsylvania German. to turn off or extinguish (esp. a light or fire): Make the light out.
58. make over,
a. to remodel; alter: to make over a dress; to make over a page layout.
b. to transfer the title of (property); convey: After she retired she made over her property to her children and moved to Florida.
59. make for,
a. to go toward; approach: to make for home.
b. to lunge at; attack.
c. to help to promote or maintain: This incident will not make for better understanding between the warring factions.
60. make off,
a. to run away; depart hastily: The only witness to the accident made off before the police arrived.
b. Nautical. to stand off from a coast, esp. a lee shore.
61. make off with, to carry away; steal: While the family was away, thieves made off with most of their valuables.
62. make on, Chiefly Pennsylvania German. to turn on, light, or ignite (esp. a light or fire): Make the light on.
63. make up,
a. (of parts) to constitute; compose; form.
b. to put together; construct; compile.
c. to concoct; invent.
d. Also, make up for. to compensate for; make good.
e. to complete.
f. to put in order; arrange: The maid will make up the room.
g. to conclude; decide.
h. to settle amicably, as differences.
i. to become reconciled, as after a quarrel.
j. Printing. to arrange set type, illustrations, etc., into columns or pages.
k. to dress in appropriate costume and apply cosmetics for a part on the stage.
l. to apply cosmetics.
m. to adjust or balance, as accounts; prepare, as statements.
n. Education. to repeat (a course or examination that one has failed).
o. Education. to take an examination that one had been unable to take when first given, usually because of absence.
p. to specify and indicate the layout or arrangement of (columns, pages, etc., of matter to be printed).
q. Atlantic States. (of the weather or clouds) to develop or gather: It's making up for a storm.
r. Atlantic States. (of the sea) to become turbulent: If the sea makes up, row toward land.
64. make up to,
a. Informal. to try to become friendly with; fawn on.
b. to make advances to; flirt with: He makes up to every new woman in the office.
—Idioms
65. make a play for, to try to get: He made a play for his brother's girlfriend. They made a play for control of the company's stock.
66. make as if or as though, Informal. to act as if; pretend: We will make as if to leave, then come back and surprise him.
67. make away with,
a. to steal: The clerk made away with the cash and checks.
b. to destroy; kill: He made away with his enemies.
c. to get rid of.
d. to consume, drink, or eat completely: The boys made away with the contents of the refrigerator.
68. make believe, to pretend; imagine: The little girl dressed in a sheet and made believe she was a ghost.
69. make bold or so bold, to have the temerity; be so rash; dare: May I make so bold as to suggest that you stand when they enter?
70. make book, Slang.
a. to take bets and give odds.
b. to make a business of this.
71. make colors, Nautical. to hoist an ensign, as on board a warship.
72. make do, to function, manage, or operate, usually on a deprivation level with minimal requirements: During the war we had no butter or coffee, so we had to make do without them.
73. make good,
a. to provide restitution or reparation for: The bank teller made good the shortage and was given a light sentence.
b. to succeed: Talent and training are necessary to make good in some fields.
c. to fulfill: He made good on his promise.
d. Navigation. to compute (a course) allowing for leeway and compass deviation.
74. make heavy weather,
a. Nautical. to roll and pitch in heavy seas.
b. to progress laboriously; struggle, esp. to struggle needlessly: I am making heavy weather with my income tax return.
75. make it,
a. Informal. to achieve a specific goal: to make it to the train; to make it through college.
b. Informal. to succeed in general: He'll never make it in business.
c. Slang. to have sexual intercourse.
76. make it so, Nautical. strike the ship's bell accordingly: said by the officer of the watch when the hour is announced.
77. make like, Informal. to try or pretend to be like; imitate: I'm going to go out and make like a gardener.
78. make one's manners, Southern U.S.
a. to perform an appropriate or expected social courtesy.
b. Older Use. to bow or curtsy.
79. make sail, Nautical.
a. to set sails.
b. to brace the yards of a ship that has been hove to in order to make headway.
80. make time. time (def. 52).
81. make water,
a. to urinate.
b. Nautical. (of a hull) to leak.
82. make with, Slang.
a. to operate; use: Let's make with the feet.
b. to bring about; provide or produce: He makes with the big ideas, but can't follow through.
83. on the make, Informal.
a. seeking to improve one's social or financial position, usually at the expense of others or of principle.
b. increasing; advancing.
c. Slang. seeking amorous or sexual relations: The park was swarming with sailors on the make.
84. put the make on, Slang. to make sexual overtures to.

There are 84 definitions listed above for the word make and the word made is the verb of make.

I do not believe in God as interpreted by the bible or any other religion that has been explained to me. But to say the Earth was not made makes me think you assume it was always there?

If the earth and all the other planets in our solar system for that matter were formed by a collision from a 'Hunk of matter' with the sun or from the supposed original 'big bang', Then they were in fact, made.

You cannot prove otherwise so you cannot make such statements.

It is not as black and white as you make it out to be.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism or whatever else you can come up with has no solution for the problem of sin and its penalty. They can't save you.

I know you don't believe. What I asked you was, "If it's true, will you be innocent or guilty?"

Believe what? I was being pretty specific. You are not.

Twist and turn, little leaf. It is pretty damn clear to anyone watching what I am asking you.

If the Koran is true about the nature of Allah and his judgement of mankind, where will you go when you die?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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>Everything does not have a maker. "Everything made has a maker."

Fair enough! The earth is pretty clearly "not made" so that solves that particular problem.

That is debatable.

Your entire belief system is debatable. What if YOU are wrong and the Hindus are correct?

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>Everything does not have a maker. "Everything made has a maker."

Fair enough! The earth is pretty clearly "not made" so that solves that particular problem.

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If the earth and all the other planets in our solar system for that matter were formed by a collision from a 'Hunk of matter' with the sun or from the supposed original 'big bang', Then they were in fact, made.

You cannot prove otherwise so you cannot make such statements.

It is not as black and white as you make it out to be.

An unhelpful bit of semantics. His meaning was perfectly clear.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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it is simple, those that belive in god generally lack the inteligence to understand the sciience of our surroundings even when it is explained to them by the greatest minds, yet they retain the ability to belive stories thet any one with the proper conecvtivity of the developed mind of 10 plus year old would find hard to swallow (eg santa type of logic ). jesus yeah was probably a great guy and what story wouldnt get a little embelished in 2000 years no doubt. to be honest im drunk and this may not make anysense but i hope you happy clappers are right and i get sent to hell with the other athiests who have posted because self rightious christains or (insert name of religion there) would be so fucken boring to spend an eternity with i would want to do myself in just for the opotunity to join the inetersting ones down below
ps please interject rightous people is it possible to do your self in whilst in eternity?
pps please pray to what ever floats your boat for my ankle to heal faster so i am not reduced to reading this for entertainment.
my final opinion is the world would be beter of if the ballance of power wasnt held by those who held mythology over fact buut i gues over the bell curve of inteligenc the lower half are more easly scared into beliving in dragons/ fire and brimstone than they are being given in understanding in science

and one finall one is feed ing the chikens a sin cause im off for a bit of thet right now (does it make you blind?)

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An unhelpful bit of semantics. His meaning was perfectly clear.

One liners by intellectuals that assume others know what they are talking about are about as helpful as a bacon sandwich in Mecca during the Ramadan.

Explain to us all what you men please.

I explained (in layman's terms) what I meant. You and Bill could do us all a favor if you did such.

How can anyone say the planet was not created, that is a bold statement requiring as much faith as any religious nut!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Should God send you to heaven or hell?

I don't know. I can't begin to guess where your imaginary being would send me to. Now if it were my imaginary being then I would have an answer.

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Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism or whatever else you can come up with has no solution for the problem of sin and its penalty. They can't save you.

I know you don't believe. What I asked you was, "If it's true, will you be innocent or guilty?"

Believe what? I was being pretty specific. You are not.

Looks like I'm not the only one having trouble keeping up with what Jakee is trying to say.

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it is simple, those that belive in god generally lack the inteligence to understand the sciience of our surroundings

Yeah, Albert Einstein believed in God; what an idiot that dude was.

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Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism or whatever else you can come up with has no solution for the problem of sin and its penalty. They can't save you.

I know you don't believe. What I asked you was, "If it's true, will you be innocent or guilty?"

Believe what? I was being pretty specific. You are not.

Looks like I'm not the only one having trouble keeping up with what Jakee is trying to say.

Yes, I can see why you two are having trouble understanding the sentance "And if the koran is true what will happen to you?" Oh my, how horrifically complex - why, someone would almost have to be able to read at a first grade level to be able to understand that!

Would you like me to write it in big letters with lots of pretty colours for you? Will that help?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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it is simple, those that belive in god generally lack the inteligence to understand the sciience of our surroundings

Yeah, Albert Einstein believed in God; what an idiot that dude was.

Well he certainly didn't believe in a personal God, and apparently not even an intelligent but uninvolved one. Most often Einstein seems to be using the word "God" to describe the simple grandeur of the universe.

But since none of us can actually go and ask him what he meant he's not the best person to use as an example.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?