Armour666 0 #1 June 19, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/17/AR2007061701179_pf.html The problem with this is it isolates children even further, certain human emotions are a learned traits empathy and compassion are not an inherent human train such as fear and anger. There have been several cases of children being in isolation and once reach age of anywhere from 7-12 did not learn certain emotions along with language skills. The more we isolate people the worse societal problems we are going to have in the future as the become adults. We are failing big time with all these living experiments. There has been a number of studies of inmates and there mental state from prolonged reduction in physical human contact and if it effects an adult what do they think it’s going to do to developing children /? SO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 June 19, 2007 Well, nanny-state.gov has tried to legislate out every OTHER thing that could have the remotest chance of harm ... so why NOT 'bubble wrap' them? FWIW, I agree with your sentiment... this is a fucked up rule...more fucked up than the norm, and that's saying something! Quote 1973 vs 2006 Scenario: Jack goes duck hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack. 1973- Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack. 2006- School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers. Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school. 1973- Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled. 2006- Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it. Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 1973- Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. Sits still in class. 2006- Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability. Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping. 1973- Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2006- Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist. Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 1973- Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock. 2006- Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons. Scenario: Pedro fails high school English. 1973: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college. 2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak English. Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed. 1973- Ants die. 2006- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him. 1973- In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 2006- Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #3 June 19, 2007 That would be so funny if it wasn't so sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #4 June 19, 2007 Quote Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 1973- Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. Sits still in class. 2006- Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability. Did he not also change his name to Peaceful Jeffrey? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #5 June 19, 2007 Quote That would be so funny if it wasn't so sad. True. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #6 June 19, 2007 There truly were The good old days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #7 June 19, 2007 ahh the good old days in my school was if you had a fight you didn't have worry aboug getting stabed, shot or beaten by a gange of them. you respected the teachers or you got the strap. Report cards ment something and you could fail and they would fail you from a grade. Not like now days in Toronto where I live a city of 3.5 million people the school board failed only 4 students last year thats across all grades.SO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loonix 0 #8 June 19, 2007 I thought you were joking, until I read the article.. it doesn't even seem to be bogus. I don't know wether to laugh or cry... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #9 June 19, 2007 Quote I thought you were joking, until I read the article.. it doesn't even seem to be bogus. I don't know wether to laugh or cry... We can cry with you ... we just can't give you a hug while we cry. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #10 June 19, 2007 1983 - Teacher gets mad at a student, busts him in the jaw. Breaks his jaw. Student gets in trouble, teacher becomes dean of students. 2007 - Teacher breaks a kid's jaw and loses his job (at least.) Some things have NOT gotten worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #11 June 19, 2007 Quote 1983 - Teacher gets mad at a student, busts him in the jaw. Breaks his jaw. Student gets in trouble, teacher becomes dean of students. 2007 - Teacher breaks a kid's jaw and loses his job (at least.) Some things have NOT gotten worse. The obvious difference being Mnealtx's examples have an obvious ring of truth... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #12 June 19, 2007 Quote Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping. 1973- Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman. 2006- Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist. How the hell did you find this out??? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #13 June 19, 2007 >The obvious difference being Mnealtx's examples have an obvious ring of truth... The above happened in my high school. How many of Mnealtx's examples happened in your school? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 June 19, 2007 Quote>The obvious difference being Mnealtx's examples have an obvious ring of truth... The above happened in my high school. How many of Mnealtx's examples happened in your school? I was in public school in 1973-1985 and 8 out of 8 I have a personal example or one directly observed. I can't only speak personally for about half the 2006 examples (and my daughter is in a very good public school that isn't as libbed out as those in the metro area) unless I can use news articles and secondhand story, then all of them. (caviat - we didn't have a Pedro, we had a Laos native named Thon that almost perfectly matches though) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #15 June 19, 2007 Quote >The obvious difference being Mnealtx's examples have an obvious ring of truth... The above happened in my high school. How many of Mnealtx's examples happened in your school? Five... at least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mijnjiku 0 #16 June 20, 2007 Not saying that there isn't a time or a place for everything, but depriving any human being of physical contact from others has a scientifically documented negative effect on their mental and emotional development (which can lead to physical deficiencies as well). They call it "touch hunger". http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUND/ARCHIV/SEN/CH23.HTM#b10-Touch%20and%20Childhood%20Development Scroll down to the "Touch and sexuality" section to get to the meat and potatoes of what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
