Shotgun 1 #1 June 20, 2007 After reading the abortion threads, I'm curious... For those of you who feel that a woman has a right to have an abortion because it's her body and she should be able to do what she wants with it... Do you think that that right applies to other things as well? Should she also be able to have a clone made of herself? Sell her organs? Work as a prostitute? Use recreational drugs? Have herself euthanized? Drive without a seatbelt? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 June 20, 2007 Yes Its her life... to do with as she sees fit... as long as she takes responsibility for her actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #3 June 20, 2007 Quoteshe should be able to do what she wants with it This should apply to everyone ... male/female/mutants (LOL) ... it's our lives and no one elses. I am all about having choices in life. The moment we let the authorities tell us how to live, is the moment we give up or indepedence. It's funny how many of the Pro-Lifers are all about America's freedom of choice ... yet they want to take that freedom away from people on this and other issues. I'm thinking of a Bon Jovi song right now "It's my life, now or never" Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #4 June 20, 2007 not drive with out a seat belt but yes to the others Her body as a projectile can have serious and detrimental effect on others. THAT she does not have a right to doYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #5 June 20, 2007 Quote Yes Its her life... to do with as she sees fit... as long as she takes responsibility for her actions. Thats cool . I want a clone of Jeannie to help with the yard and to do my heavy lifting. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 June 20, 2007 Quote Quote Yes Its her life... to do with as she sees fit... as long as she takes responsibility for her actions. Thats cool . I want a clone of Jeannie to help with the yard and to do my heavy lifting. You're not fooling anyone... you just want your own supply of Amazon Hugs ® Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #7 June 20, 2007 >Should she also be able to have a clone made of herself? Yes, although the clone would have all the rights of any other person. >Sell her organs? Give away her organs? Yes. Sell them? Probably not. The potential for abuse would be too high. >Work as a prostitute? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #8 June 20, 2007 QuoteIt's funny how many of the Pro-Lifers are all about America's freedom of choice ... yet they want to take that freedom away from people on this That's entirely false. Pro-lifers aren't pro-life because they want to take freedom away from women. They are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child. That's just as insulting (and incorrect) as saying pro-choicers want to kill unborn children. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #9 June 20, 2007 QuoteHer body as a projectile can have serious and detrimental effect on others. THAT she does not have a right to do I agree with that. Seat belts are not only for protecting oneself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #10 June 20, 2007 Quote After reading the abortion threads, I'm curious... For those of you who feel that a woman has a right to have an abortion because it's her body and she should be able to do what she wants with it... Do you think that that right applies to other things as well? Should she also be able to have a clone made of herself? Sell her organs? Work as a prostitute? Use recreational drugs? Have herself euthanized? Drive without a seatbelt? Where would you stand if your 15 yr. old daughter presented you with that argument? Whether you have one or not, I don't know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #11 June 20, 2007 QuoteThey are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child All the while taking away the rights of the woman. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #12 June 20, 2007 Quote Quote After reading the abortion threads, I'm curious... For those of you who feel that a woman has a right to have an abortion because it's her body and she should be able to do what she wants with it... Do you think that that right applies to other things as well? Should she also be able to have a clone made of herself? Sell her organs? Work as a prostitute? Use recreational drugs? Have herself euthanized? Drive without a seatbelt? Where would you stand if your 15 yr. old daughter presented you with that argument? Whether you have one or not, I don't know. I'm not sure which argument you're referring to. Would I let my 15 year old daughter (if I had one) do any of these things? I would try to raise her to think it's a good idea to wear a seat belt, to not ever have an unwanted pregnancy, to not ever feel the need to work as a prostitute, etc. But if, as an adult, she chooses to do any of these things, I probably couldn't do much about it other than give her my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #13 June 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child All the while taking away the rights of the woman. Well, in most cases the woman had the right to not get pregnant in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #14 June 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child All the while taking away the rights of the woman. I can see where this is going: "WOMAN HATER!" "BABY KILLER!" I'm not getting into that. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #15 June 20, 2007 Your words, not mine. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mijnjiku 0 #16 June 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThey are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child All the while taking away the rights of the woman. I can see where this is going: "WOMAN HATER!" "BABY KILLER!" I'm not getting into that. --Head QuotePro-lifers aren't pro-life because they want to take freedom away from women. They are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child.There's nothing to get in to. You made a contradictory statement. You can't protect the "right" of an unborn child to live without infringing upon the "right" of the mother to choose whether or not to carry the pregnancy. If the child must live, then the woman must carry. If the woman must carry then she logically has no choice. Canuck was just pointing this out. You need to refine your statement because pro-lifers can't take shelter in the camp of protecting the woman's rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeadCone 0 #17 June 20, 2007 QuoteThere's nothing to get in to. Sure there is. Drama. Name calling. Degredation of what could be a constructive debate by making false assertions about the other side. QuoteYou made a contradictory statement. Where? QuoteYou can't protect the "right" of an unborn child to live without infringing upon the "right" of the mother to choose whether or not to carry the pregnancy. If the child must live, then the woman must carry. If the woman must carry then she logically has no choice. It's all about to what degree you assign rights to the unborn child. Generally, more-so-much, then pro-life; less-so-much, then pro-choice. QuoteCanuck was just pointing this out. In his second post, perhaps. In the first, no. That was a false assertion. The reason pro-lifers are pro-life isn't because it's an evil plan to take rights away from women. QuoteYou need to refine your statement because pro-lifers can't take shelter in the camp of protecting the woman's rights. I never said they did. --Head-- Turn off the internet! Join Citizens United Negating Technology For Life And People's Safety! http://www.citizensunitednegatingtechnology.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #18 June 20, 2007 Quote That's entirely false. Pro-lifers aren't pro-life because they want to take freedom away from women. They are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child. So why is it that the vast majority of the Prolife leadership is male? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #19 June 20, 2007 QuoteThey are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child. What & how much rights? Let's take away the "desire to terminate a pregnancy" aspect. Let's say the mom has every intention of giving birth to and raising her child, but complications arise at some point that threaten the mother's life &/or health. The mother's life comes first as far as any doctor is concerned. Save the mother before the child. If they had equal rights, whom would you save? And whose decision should it be? Very few things in life have only one cause & effect. If one believes the mother's right-to-life & health should come before the unborn child's then one can not support giving equal rights to them both, regardless of one's opinion/position on another's desire to terminate. I'm afraid when it comes to abortion, capital punishment, cloning, euthanization, etc. too many people have tunnel vision regardless of whether they support or do not support these things. Again: <--broken recordPaint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #20 June 20, 2007 I did not respond to the abortion thread, but my belief is simple. Your rights stop when they violate my rights, or the rights of others. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #21 June 20, 2007 Generally speaking, I completely agree.Abortion, however, does not fall so neatly into your simple statement. What & how much rights would you ideally give to an unborn child? (Does an unborn child fall under the "others" category in your opinion?) Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #22 June 20, 2007 QuoteAfter reading the abortion threads, I'm curious... For those of you who feel that a woman has a right to have an abortion because it's her body and she should be able to do what she wants with it... Do you think that that right applies to other things as well? Yes Should she also be able to have a clone made of herself? Who's going to take care of the clone? There's not enough information currently available to know what the results are of cloning a human. So I'll say "maybe". Sell her organs? Yes Work as a prostitute? Yes Use recreational drugs? Yes Have herself euthanized? Yes Drive without a seatbelt? No. Seat belts do a good job of keeping the driver behind the wheel and thereby giving the driver a chance to maintain control of the vehicle. Generally, I draw the line when someone's actions damage someone else's person or property. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Butters 0 #23 June 20, 2007 QuoteThere's nothing to get in to. You made a contradictory statement. You can't protect the "right" of an unborn child to live without infringing upon the "right" of the mother to choose whether or not to carry the pregnancy. If the child must live, then the woman must carry. If the woman must carry then she logically has no choice. Canuck was just pointing this out. You need to refine your statement because pro-lifers can't take shelter in the camp of protecting the woman's rights. The mother had the choice whether or not to have sex and use protection. Be prepared for the risks (consequences) that come along with the reward (actions)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #24 June 20, 2007 QuoteAbortion, however, does not fall so neatly into your simple statement. What & how much rights would you ideally give to an unborn child? (Or does an unborn child not fall under the "others" category in your opinion?) I have a problem with the whole 'saving the life of the mother' argument. It just doesn't hold water, considering today's medical technology. Just recently, and I don't know the exact numbers, a child was delivered at 23 weeks and has done well. There are very few honest arguments in the defense of abortion. Saying that you don't want to end up on the public dole doesn't work. The child can be given up for adoption. Saving the mother's life doesn't work, especially after a certain point in the pregancy. The child has to be delivered anyway. Why does it have to be killed. Vanity is not really a reason, just an excuse. Legitimate reasons would be, rape, incest, or bringing a severly deformed child into the world, and even that has its limitations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #25 June 20, 2007 First, you did not answer my question which you quoted.Second, my point about the mother's right-to-life & health being put before the child's in any doctor/patient scenario is accurate. Quote Legitimate reasons would be, rape, incest, or bringing a severly deformed child into the world, Third, you're basically proving my point here. And even these "legitimate reasons" are arguable by some. Some believe one still should not terminate under any of these conditions. Legally, if one can think of any reason why they would support an abortion, one should not consider themselves "pro-life".Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kelpdiver 2 #18 June 20, 2007 Quote That's entirely false. Pro-lifers aren't pro-life because they want to take freedom away from women. They are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child. So why is it that the vast majority of the Prolife leadership is male? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #19 June 20, 2007 QuoteThey are pro-life because they want to give rights to an unborn child. What & how much rights? Let's take away the "desire to terminate a pregnancy" aspect. Let's say the mom has every intention of giving birth to and raising her child, but complications arise at some point that threaten the mother's life &/or health. The mother's life comes first as far as any doctor is concerned. Save the mother before the child. If they had equal rights, whom would you save? And whose decision should it be? Very few things in life have only one cause & effect. If one believes the mother's right-to-life & health should come before the unborn child's then one can not support giving equal rights to them both, regardless of one's opinion/position on another's desire to terminate. I'm afraid when it comes to abortion, capital punishment, cloning, euthanization, etc. too many people have tunnel vision regardless of whether they support or do not support these things. Again: <--broken recordPaint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #20 June 20, 2007 I did not respond to the abortion thread, but my belief is simple. Your rights stop when they violate my rights, or the rights of others. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #21 June 20, 2007 Generally speaking, I completely agree.Abortion, however, does not fall so neatly into your simple statement. What & how much rights would you ideally give to an unborn child? (Does an unborn child fall under the "others" category in your opinion?) Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #22 June 20, 2007 QuoteAfter reading the abortion threads, I'm curious... For those of you who feel that a woman has a right to have an abortion because it's her body and she should be able to do what she wants with it... Do you think that that right applies to other things as well? Yes Should she also be able to have a clone made of herself? Who's going to take care of the clone? There's not enough information currently available to know what the results are of cloning a human. So I'll say "maybe". Sell her organs? Yes Work as a prostitute? Yes Use recreational drugs? Yes Have herself euthanized? Yes Drive without a seatbelt? No. Seat belts do a good job of keeping the driver behind the wheel and thereby giving the driver a chance to maintain control of the vehicle. Generally, I draw the line when someone's actions damage someone else's person or property. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #23 June 20, 2007 QuoteThere's nothing to get in to. You made a contradictory statement. You can't protect the "right" of an unborn child to live without infringing upon the "right" of the mother to choose whether or not to carry the pregnancy. If the child must live, then the woman must carry. If the woman must carry then she logically has no choice. Canuck was just pointing this out. You need to refine your statement because pro-lifers can't take shelter in the camp of protecting the woman's rights. The mother had the choice whether or not to have sex and use protection. Be prepared for the risks (consequences) that come along with the reward (actions)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #24 June 20, 2007 QuoteAbortion, however, does not fall so neatly into your simple statement. What & how much rights would you ideally give to an unborn child? (Or does an unborn child not fall under the "others" category in your opinion?) I have a problem with the whole 'saving the life of the mother' argument. It just doesn't hold water, considering today's medical technology. Just recently, and I don't know the exact numbers, a child was delivered at 23 weeks and has done well. There are very few honest arguments in the defense of abortion. Saying that you don't want to end up on the public dole doesn't work. The child can be given up for adoption. Saving the mother's life doesn't work, especially after a certain point in the pregancy. The child has to be delivered anyway. Why does it have to be killed. Vanity is not really a reason, just an excuse. Legitimate reasons would be, rape, incest, or bringing a severly deformed child into the world, and even that has its limitations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #25 June 20, 2007 First, you did not answer my question which you quoted.Second, my point about the mother's right-to-life & health being put before the child's in any doctor/patient scenario is accurate. Quote Legitimate reasons would be, rape, incest, or bringing a severly deformed child into the world, Third, you're basically proving my point here. And even these "legitimate reasons" are arguable by some. Some believe one still should not terminate under any of these conditions. Legally, if one can think of any reason why they would support an abortion, one should not consider themselves "pro-life".Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
