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Toronto Mayor orders removal of "Support the Troops" ribbons from city vehicles
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Richards, in Speakers Corner
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QuoteI wish our city councillors would worry about more important things.
Like finding ways to reduce their spending instead of constantly looking to increase property taxes. But fret not Toronto, you're not the only one with a "tax and spend" mayor in Canada. We here in Calgary have our own socialist constantly whining about what a raw deal he gets in the form on Dave "Bronco" Bronconier. Now I can see how Toronto ended up with a socialist mayor, but it still boggles the mind how Cowtown in the middle of conservative Alberta elected a socialist mayor.
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Butters 0
QuoteI wish our city councillors would worry about more important things.
What is more important than the public perception on whether you are for or against the war? You couldn't possibly mean actually doing something about the war based on whether you are for or against it.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
In LA, from what I've seen, the policy is no stickers on vehicles that advertize any non-city sponsored campaign. For example, the department of children, youth and families sponsors a campaign against domestic violence. Those stickers are on the cop cars. Fire sponsors a drowning education program, so some of the fire cars have "watch the water" stickers. The space on the vehicles is used to support city programs, not to make political statements. I understand any city adopting similar policies. If it's just targeted at "support our troops" stuff, that's stupid.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteWhat is more important than the public perception on whether you are for or against the war? You couldn't possibly mean actually doing something about the war based on whether you are for or against it.
The stickers have nothing to do with support for or against any war, but are just there to support our troops.
Secondly, nothing a city councillor is going to do that will make any difference in the war. Hence, I think in the 5th biggest city in north america, they should be doing something better than talking about stickers.
Just out of curiosity, how exactly does slapping a magnet of a yellow ribbon do anything at all to support the troops?
rehmwa 2
QuoteJust out of curiosity, how exactly does slapping a magnet of a yellow ribbon do anything at all to support the troops?
Improves the vehicle's gas mileage - also indicates north when strung up just right so the vehicles don't get lost. Requires less gas, thus less reason for the war - gets them home faster.
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What is more important than the public perception on whether you are for or against the war? You couldn't possibly mean actually doing something about the war based on whether you are for or against it.
Under the Canadian constitution the city government and so the Mayer is a creature of the provincial legislature. Since both foreign affairs and defense are federal jurisdictions the mayer should not be doing anything about the war; he should be doing something about the sewers, schools, parks etc.
About twenty years ago the Mayer of Vancouver declared the city to be a "nuclear weapons free area." An American carrier docked at the federal dock downtown about two weeks later.
It really pisses me off when these assholes ignore their own duties and try to mind other pols' bailiwicks. Kinda like cops trying to be judges or judges trying to be legislators, it just doesn't work.
Gawain 0
So, a Canadian city does not wish to support Canadian troops who are in the combat zone in Afghanistan?
It saddens me, but I am not surprised in the least. They can spin it any way they want...it's indefensible.
I will happily hold the candle the city refuses to keep for its own troops.
I guess the City of Toronto, not wanting to debate the war, would rather not support the country of Canada in its foreign policy too.
It saddens me, but I am not surprised in the least. They can spin it any way they want...it's indefensible.
I will happily hold the candle the city refuses to keep for its own troops.
I guess the City of Toronto, not wanting to debate the war, would rather not support the country of Canada in its foreign policy too.
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteIn LA, from what I've seen, the policy is no stickers on vehicles that advertize any non-city sponsored campaign. For example, the department of children, youth and families sponsors a campaign against domestic violence. Those stickers are on the cop cars. Fire sponsors a drowning education program, so some of the fire cars have "watch the water" stickers. The space on the vehicles is used to support city programs, not to make political statements. I understand any city adopting similar policies. If it's just targeted at "support our troops" stuff, that's stupid.
If it is something of that nature then the city has the right, but again I do not see why they would want to do that.
It was the comment " saying they could be construed as a city endorsement of the war in Afghanistan." that left me with the impression that it had to do with pandering. It's not the end of the world but it does seem to be somewhat disrespectfull. I am rather disapointed in our city.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Richards 0
QuoteAbout twenty years ago the Mayer of Vancouver declared the city to be a "nuclear weapons free area."
I laughed so hard I almost choked when I saw that sign. Wasn't that Burnaby though? Or is that just where they have it on a roadsign?
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Richards 0
QuoteQuoteSo, a Canadian city does not wish to support Canadian troops who are in the combat zone in Afghanistan?
It saddens me, but I am not surprised in the least. They can spin it any way they want...it's indefensible.
I will happily hold the candle the city refuses to keep for its own troops.
I guess the City of Toronto, not wanting to debate the war, would rather not support the country of Canada in its foreign policy too.
I don't think it's reflective of the entire city. Unfortunately Toronto is a city that has too many special interest lobby groups who have a firm grip on the mayors gonads. I hate to sound so negative but here the tail wags the dog in the hugest way. Now in fairness, I do not know for sure that this is the case here but it would not surprise me.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
rhys 0
Quotebout twenty years ago the Mayer of Vancouver declared the city to be a "nuclear weapons free area." An American carrier docked at the federal dock downtown about two weeks later.Crazy
It really pisses me off when these assholes ignore their own duties
New Zealand was declared a nuclear fee zone around the same time. The Us threatened by canceling the ANZUS agreement.
New Zealand's reaction; "you can fuck off with your nuclear bullshit"
why should anyone run the risk of a disaster when they themselves are not prepared to take the risk. if someone were to demand to examine the nuclear powered machines before they can enter then they would promptly be told to "fuck off".
The American military is so fucking arrogant and stupid to boot!
I don't blame the Canadian Mayor although it sounds as though he didn't have the Balls to stick to his word. Unlike David Lange, he was 'da man!'
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
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I don't blame the Canadian Mayor although it sounds as though he didn't have the Balls to stick to his word. Unlike David Lange, he was 'da man!'
It had nothing to do with the mayer sticking to his word. It had everything to do with it being none of his business. The American Carrier entered a Canadian harbour (federal jurisdiction) at the invitation of the Federal government and docked at the Federal wharf. The mayer was welcome to divest the city of it's entire civic nuclear arsenal, but he had no ability whatsoever to attempt to direct Canada's foreign policy; Kinda like the current mayer of TO.
Richards 0
The mayor just announced yesterday that he is reversing his decision and will allow the stickers. It would be nice to think he did so out of a sudden flash of integrity, but I doubt it. I suspect our fearless leader who's values vary with polls and special interest groups (SIG's) saw the backlash of the moral majority, and realized that while the non-special-interest crowd do not protest and lobby as frequently or as loudly as SIG's, they do still represent the majority of voters.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteThe mayor just announced yesterday that he is reversing his decision and will allow the stickers.
Wrong again, city council voted unanimously (of those present) to continue the program indefinitely.
The mayor never ordered them down either, he supperted the plana nd did a flip flop on that.
Richards 0
QuoteQuote***The mayor just announced yesterday that he is reversing his decision and will allow the stickers.
Wrong again, city council voted unanimously (of those present) to continue the program indefinitely.
The mayor never ordered them down either, he supperted the plana nd did a flip flop on that.
Fine then "The mayor just announced yesterday that he is reversing his decision and will support the stickers.". Why are you splitting hairs over semantics. Regardless of who ultimately made the call, Miller did himself make the comment about agreeing with the decision to remove them because in his words they could be interpreted as support for the war. He did reverse his opinion (regardless of who was making the decision) upon hearing the public backlash. Either way he is an idiot.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
SkyDekker 1,465
Yes he is an idiot, just indicating that even the title of this post is wrong....looks like something Fox News would have on its scroll.
Utterly wrong, but gives a nice soundbite.
And yes Miller is an idiot.
Utterly wrong, but gives a nice soundbite.
And yes Miller is an idiot.
Yes Miller is an idiot, Torontonians are getting what they voted for, a Socialist.
Miller did not order the stickers and magnets removed, he is just backing it.
I think it is a stupid move, but the city has the right to determine what is put on those vehicles they own. It should be noted that it is highly unusual this was allowed in the first place. from what I can find, only two other major canadian municipalities allow stickers on their vehicles. Halifax and Ottawa.
Funny enough, in Ottawa they are support our troops stickers and nobody seems to have an issue with it there.
I wish our city councillors would worry about more important things.
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