I don't understand why Bush wont support Stem Cell Research!

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While I see your point, I have to argue that Embryonic stem cells are more promising in the fact that they are not specialized. In other words, they have the potential to grow into anything. Adult stem cells are specialized in the fact that they are arleady specialized cells, such as skin cells for example, etc.

Adults do not have stem cells in many vital organs. So it is very important and which is why it needs to be researched more.

To date, no cure or treatment has been realized from any reserch dealing with "embryonic" stem cell research. Stem cell research has already been used to create some cures and treatments and is now being used to grow tissue and some organs.

If there is such promise on the embryonic side, why is it that no private monies are going there? And conversly, millions of private funding is flowing into stem cell research??

So far, I believe the push for embryonic reserach is political because it ties in so closly with pro abortion agenda.

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Applied science is, "What can be done with this science?" Or, as I prefer to see it, "How can we make a buck off of this?" The basic science on stems stems is out there. Let the companies who hope to make a buck off of it front the dollars for research and development. Why the hell should the taxpayer be floating these companies?

Honest (and not rhetorical) question: along those lines, do you think car companies should have paid for the paving and building of roads and bridges in the early 20th century, since they're the ones who made money off the building of those roads and bridges? Or do you think that the government did (and continues to do) the right thing by burdening the tax payers with those expenses? Two different things, I know, but both roads/bridges and (potentially) stem cell research are for the good of the public.

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Does that make their comparison untrue? How so?

What comparison??? The link showed a page that had a list showing ASC use but non for ESC. Fact is that ESC have far more use and potential than ASC.

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I get the multiple use aspect of embryonic stem cells, but what medical advances have been achieved through them - seperate from adult stem cell research?

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics1.asp

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I don't understand his reasons for not supporting it. But here is my main reason why I wouldn't support it: let private industry reasearch it on its own.

I agree completely. Bush claims it's a moral and ethical morass, however. Couple this BS with his willingness to promote anything that Jerry Falwell and the like want, and it stinks of moralism vs rational thought.
The March of Dimes backed Salk, along with other benefactors to find a vaccine against polio, same can be said for most other vaccines. However...There are a lot of taxpayer funds being spent in areas that are equally "immoral" or "unethical" if not moreso, than stem cell research.

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I don't understand his reasons for not supporting it. But here is my main reason why I wouldn't support it: let private industry reasearch it on its own.

I agree completely. Bush claims it's a moral and ethical morass, however. Couple this BS with his willingness to promote anything that Jerry Falwell and the like want, and it stinks of moralism vs rational thought.
The March of Dimes backed Salk, along with other benefactors to find a vaccine against polio, same can be said for most other vaccines. However...There are a lot of taxpayer funds being spent in areas that are equally "immoral" or "unethical" if not moreso, than stem cell research.

"Willingness to promote anything that Jerry Falwell and the like want"

Your knee jerk is showing again... unless, of course, you have a Executive Order overturning Roe v Wade or something...

Mike
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Everyone has their reasons for supporting or not supporting research in any given area. It has been said that 70% of the public support federal dollars being made available for stem cell research, but I wonder how many people support that position only because Bush does not. The government doesn't doesn't shell out money to every researcher that wants it, not should they.

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He just wants it to be funded with private money.

Ding ding ding!

It was said that 70% of Americans support such research. So those 70-percenters just need to put their money where their mouth is, and pony up some donations to do it on their own, without taxpayer funding. Don't take money from people who don't agree with it.

Liberals: Quit your bitching, and donate. Or do you prefer to be charitable only with other people's money?

So are you telling us there should be no government funding? We are talking about a major change in our society, or world for that matter! I think that if something this potentially big, which could help so many people, is worth the funding.

And to the right wing people: Do you mean to tell me if you do have a family member that could benefit from something like this, are you going to actually look them in the eye and say: " if the president doesn't support this, then I don't support this."?

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[goofyjumper 0]

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So far, I believe the push for embryonic reserach is political because it ties in so closly with pro abortion agenda.

OMG. (I have to keep my mouth shut). That comment does not in anyway make any sense.

You sound worse than a hard core liberal!

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So far, I believe the push for embryonic reserach is political because it ties in so closly with pro abortion agenda.

OMG. (I have to keep my mouth shut). That comment does not in anyway make any sense.

You sound worse than a hard core liberal!

think about it. It makes some sense. Don't know if it has any truth to it but it fits when thought about.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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And to the right wing people: Do you mean to tell me if you do have a family member that could benefit from something like this, are you going to actually look them in the eye and say: " if the president doesn't support this, then I don't support this."?

No.
My not supporting government funded stem cell research has nothing to do with how the President thinks but I agree that there are some who do feel that way.

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He just wants it to be funded with private money.

Ding ding ding!

It was said that 70% of Americans support such research. So those 70-percenters just need to put their money where their mouth is, and pony up some donations to do it on their own, without taxpayer funding. Don't take money from people who don't agree with it.

Liberals: Quit your bitching, and donate. Or do you prefer to be charitable only with other people's money?

What about the office of faith based initiatives?
Should that be closed immediately?

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It was said that 70% of Americans support such research. So those 70-percenters just need to put their money where their mouth is, and pony up some donations to do it on their own, without taxpayer funding. Don't take money from people who don't agree with it.

Liberals: Quit your bitching, and donate. Or do you prefer to be charitable only with other people's money?

I have donated.. have you..

On the flip side...why do I have to pay for YOUR WAR.

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Because he's an old world, old school, conservative Christian good old boy who does not have a grasp of modern realities.

Next question please.

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And to the right wing people: Do you mean to tell me if you do have a family member that could benefit from something like this, are you going to actually look them in the eye and say: " if the president doesn't support this, then I don't support this."?

No.
My not supporting government funded stem cell research has nothing to do with how the President thinks but I agree that there are some who do feel that way.

Oh, ok then let me re-phrase the question. Could you look a family member in the eye who has a problem that could be resolved through stem cell research and say "I am sorry, I do not support this."?

I could never look at anyone that is in that situation and feel good about myself.

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Because he's an old world, old school, conservative Christian good old boy who does not have a grasp of modern realities.

Next question please.

Touche!

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Yep, you are all right...Stem cells potentially have the power to cure alot of ailments,it's a crying shame the powers that be wont support research, however research as far as i know[could be wrong]can legally be privately funded.

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He just wants it to be funded with private money.

Ding ding ding!

It was said that 7030% of Americans support such researchthe Iraq war So those 7030-percenters just need to put their money where their mouth is, and pony up some donations to do it on their own, without taxpayer funding. Don't take money from people who don't agree with it.

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Fact is that ESC have far more use and potential than ASC.

Please elaborate.

Your link, which is very informative (thanks ), did not say much about current uses for ESC.

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>Don't take money from people who don't agree with it.

So how much money have you sent to the US military to support a war that most americans disagree with?

70% of americans would like money spent on stem cell research. 26% want to stay in Iraq "as long as it takes." Sounds like we should be spending the money on things that most americans want.

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Other than that, the whole thing is just another slippery slope. Crossing one threshold never seems to be enough for those who believe that science should have no moral limitations.

How were those embryo's created? Naturally or through medical science? Some people seem to think that treating infertility through scientific research is just a dandy example of God's working through the hands of the Dr's. Who's to say that creating those embryos isn't really a slap in God's face? I mean why wasn't that couple able to produce a child without scientific intervention? Now you have these embryos that are a product of scientific meddling. Are those really "lives" that need to be saved/cherished?
These right to lifers are a complex group.
You can create an embryo through science but you can't use one that you created to further scientific discovery.
Life is sacred inside the womb but once you're outside.....well...not so much, especially if you live over oil or you don't believe in God the right way. And if you commit a crime then we just can't kill you fast enough.
Weird, I tell ya.

edited to add: It's all so New/Old Testament.

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070620/sc_nm/bush_stemcells_dc;_ylt=AnnLi72WwlxerhVPaZwXVHoiANEA

IMO he needs money for the Iraq war.

I just don't understand why if these embryos are going to be discarded anyways, why not use it for good use. Does he not have any family members that would benefit from this research?

All life is sacred! Those little stems could grow up to be strong US citizens that could be sent off to war for Bush's "legacy." Then those stems could die violent horribe deaths that can be used as propganda for more Defense contracts to make Bush, Cheny, Rove and the rest that much richer. You know, the circle of life....I think they made a movie about it.

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[mnealtx 0]

Speaking of Bush Derangement Syndrome....

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Amazon 7]

Gee why not start singing this little ditty....

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/monty-python/every-sperm-is-sacred.html

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.


GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate

[Butters 0]

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Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

I'm in big trouble ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[PLFXpert 0]

How is military funding in any way comparable to federal funding for almost anything else?

I didn't agree with us going into Iraq. I don't understand the logic, though, of "OK, I don't agree with Iraq so if given the choice today, take my money away from our troops and our military and when they run out of funds, they'll have to come home."

I'm generally in favor of private funding rather than federal funding regardless of whether the "something to be funded" is something I fully support.

In this case, I don't support the war but absolutely believe it, our military, our troops & everything in between should be federally funded.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.