ianmdrennan 2 #1 June 22, 2007 I haven't finished watching it yet and I'm sure there's plenty that'll be dismissable, but I figured some of this crew may enjoy watching it. It's 2 hrs long, which is also why I'm not done with it yet http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=928518742089256264Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #2 June 23, 2007 hmmmm, two hours of that, no thanks. i couldnt even skim through it without laughing.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #3 June 25, 2007 Agreed. A lot of it was a serious stretch. I got about halfway through and got bored. Maybe I'll pick it up again later when I've got nothing better to do.Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zagijimzoo 0 #4 August 20, 2007 Excellent flick! 1.7 million views! Part 1 History of religion... spot on! Part 2 The 911 myth! How to start a war! Maybe? Maybe not? Part 3 Federal Reserve Bank! It’s a private corporation! No chit! They print money for the gov't and then charge them interest on it! Then we pay the interest and the banker get rich! So thats how it works! WOW thats a scan! At the international bankers rate we're headed for a one world gov't with tracking chips! Its starting now with the North American Union and the uncontrolled border inflow! Talk of the new currency called the Amero! Maybe this new money will be real flashy with lots of color and glitter! Oh and say goodbye to the constitution! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon26 0 #5 November 14, 2007 awesome film, very interesting. The majority of people will dismiss it without watching it though. Noone likes to be told that what they believe is BS. Highly recommend everyone watches this movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #6 November 14, 2007 QuotePart 3 Federal Reserve Bank! It’s a private corporation! No chit! They print money for the gov't and then charge them interest on it! The government (Treasury) prints the money. They basically sell it to the Fed. The Fed has features of both a private corporation and of a government agency. It truly is a hybrid, and works best that way. It is a common cry of conspiracy theorists that the Fed is a private company running America's bottom line. Not true. It is true that private citizens from many industries (including banking) wield the real power. Always been that way, probably always will be. The people with the most money in play get to pretty much call the shots. Nothing conspiratorial about that. No Illuminati membership, no DaVinci code, no Planet X required - just lots of dough." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 November 14, 2007 I watched the whole thing. It is a modern day take on an old theme. In the '70s the tin foil hat gang wrote "None Dare Call it Conspiracy." That seems to be the seminal volume in the 'international bankers' conspiracy/ CFR rules the world' theory. In that one they claimed that communism was a capitalist plot and that John D. Rockefeller fired Kruschev. This time they have gone after 9-11, North American Union, and in a surprising twist made a bold move for the growing atheist contingent (I sound like a commentator at a political convention). The truth is the expansion of the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement both breadth-wise (to include Mexico in the '90s, with Chile and the Caribbean region up next) as well as depth-wise (the desirability of free trade in labour is well discussed in the works of Milton Freidman, the advantages of unifying the North American currency system was something I remember discussing with my finance prof when the EURO came out) is not a conspiracy; it is a concept that has been discussed as a logical extension of Manifest Destiny since the Reciprocity Treaty between Canada and the US during the 1900's. If you prefer to call it the secret agenda of the 20th level Masons go ahead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #8 November 14, 2007 Quote I haven't finished watching it yet and I'm sure there's plenty that'll be dismissable, but I figured some of this crew may enjoy watching it. It's 2 hrs long, which is also why I'm not done with it yet http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=928518742089256264 Watched it twice... I think it's worth watching, even if much of it is bunk. My major problems with it are: 1. The religion part -- much of it is a stretch. While they raise some interesting points, they don't go in-depth enough to provide concrete proof that all western religions are a take on astrology. Everything is mentioned in passing, though the claims that are made in the film require more than just passing mention if the faithful are going to even consider the points made. 2. No documentation provided in the movie. This was my biggest problem with it. If anyone wants to take this seriously, there should be evidence. There was very little evidence presented, other than Aaron Russo's testimony about Nelson Rockefeller's "chip" idea. If anyone is looking for a 911 movie with real evidence behind it, look into "Loose Change." The people who made that movie really did their homework. 3. The ending was strange. The open eyes thing at the end didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Nonetheless, the ideas in the movie are thought-provoking, and I think any person with a humble and open mind should watch it, even if some of it may be agenda-driven bullshit. The good thing about this movie is that it questions things that are often taken for granted, which I think is always a healthy thing. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 November 14, 2007 Quote look into "Loose Change." The people who made that movie really did their homework. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #10 November 14, 2007 Quote Quote look into "Loose Change." The people who made that movie really did their homework. You're just one or two laughing smileys from making a point. So did you watch loose change, or are you posting from a point of view of complete "that's just conspiracy bunk" ignorance? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 November 14, 2007 Streaming video is blocked over here, but I've seen enough argument here and other places over the "film" that I feel quite confident in my opinion.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #12 November 14, 2007 QuoteStreaming video is blocked over here, but I've seen enough argument here and other places over the "film" that I feel quite confident in my opinion. I see. So you are in fact posting from a standpoint of complete ignorance. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 November 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteStreaming video is blocked over here, but I've seen enough argument here and other places over the "film" that I feel quite confident in my opinion. I see. So you are in fact posting from a standpoint of complete ignorance. Bullshit. By your logic, every time you make a post about something in the news, you're "posting from a standpoint of complete ignorance" since you didn't actually witness it yourself.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #14 November 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteStreaming video is blocked over here, but I've seen enough argument here and other places over the "film" that I feel quite confident in my opinion. I see. So you are in fact posting from a standpoint of complete ignorance. Bullshit. By your logic, every time you make a post about something in the news, you're "posting from a standpoint of complete ignorance" since you didn't actually witness it yourself. My claim about Loose Change is that there is evidence and documentation to support the points being made in the movie. You responded with dozens of laughing smileys. I'm not trying to change your opinion of 911. If you're confident in your opinions about what happened on 9/11/2001, that's fine. But to laugh at the idea that there is documentation behind a movie that raises questions about things we take at face value, when you haven't watched any part of the movie is... ...posting from a standpoint of complete ignorance. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 November 14, 2007 Your claim that they "did their homework" is ludicrous, and the movie itself has been debunked over and over again all over the internet. I've read both reviews of the movie itself, and several sites that debunk the movie. You believe it because it fits your bias against Bush, not because of any "evidence and documentation".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #16 November 14, 2007 QuoteYour claim that they "did their homework" is ludicrous, and the movie itself has been debunked over and over again all over the internet. I've read both reviews of the movie itself, and several sites that debunk the movie. You believe it because it fits your bias against Bush, not because of any "evidence and documentation". My claim that they "did their homework" is not ludicrous at all. You're the one who didn't see the movie, not me. I've seen the History Channel's documentary on 911 Conspiracy Theories. My conclusion is that they did a good job of answering some questions, and a poor job of conclusively answering some questions that are raised in the Loose Change movie -- even though they claim to directly address all evidence presented in Loose Change (they didn't). I've seen both sides, and I still have questions. I think it's okay to be inquisitive and I don't mock others for asking questions. You haven't seen the movie, yet you're claiming that you're right. I don't know what to believe, but I know for damn sure that after having read/viewed both sides of the argument that some questions raised in Loose Change are definitely worth addressing. There are some questions that certainly haven't been answered conclusively. You haven't seen the movie, yet you read reviews on it and read sites that debunk its claims. And you're claiming I'm biased -- nice. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #17 November 14, 2007 Loose Change makes the assumption that the US Government is perfectly efficient and that thousands of bureaucrats can flawlessly coordinate evil without a single leak...ever. Are you fucking kiddng me? The current federal establishment can't wipe their collective ass without taking too long, going over budget, and selling it to a reporter to advance an agenda. Wake the fuck up. To believe otherwise immediately flags one as a complete dillusional retard...an uneducated one. It also disqualifies one from the discourse. It WAS an interesting fiction though.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 November 14, 2007 Wow, you're right - sites that go point-by-point through the claims made in the movie and debunk them AREN'T actually proof that the film is a conspiracy theorist's wet dream at all... I'm so ashamed now.... not. When you support the claims of the producers of the movie and claim they "did their homework" and "have evidence", when said homework has been debunked over and over and over again... then yes, you're biased toward their views.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #19 November 14, 2007 QuoteLoose Change makes the assumption that the US Government is perfectly efficient and that thousands of bureaucrats can flawlessly coordinate evil without a single leak...ever. Are you fucking kiddng me? The current federal establishment can't wipe their collective ass without taking too long, going over budget, and selling it to a reporter to advance an agenda. Wake the fuck up. To believe otherwise immediately flags one as a complete dillusional retard...an uneducated one. It also disqualifies one from the discourse. It WAS an interesting fiction though. I don't believe that the twin towers collapsed as a result of planned, controlled demolition for reasons you stated. Nor am I saying that everything in Loose Change was necessarily true. But they did go out of their way to support some of their points with documentation and video -- that I admire, and it's a sharp contrast to Zeitgeist, where basically no documentation was provided. That was the point I was making in bringing Loose Change up. Whether you believe the claims or not that were made in Loose Change is up to you; I'm not here to push their ideas. @mnealtx: QuoteWow, you're right - sites that go point-by-point through the claims made in the movie and debunk them AREN'T actually proof that the film is a conspiracy theorist's wet dream at all... I'm so ashamed now.... not. When you support the claims of the producers of the movie and claim they "did their homework" and "have evidence", when said homework has been debunked over and over and over again... then yes, you're biased toward their views. Some of the claims in Loose Change do have me thinking, and unlike you, I am not completely convinced by all of the 'debunking' that I've read. The folks who made the movie backed their claims up with documentation and video evidence. That's what I meant by 'did their homework.' By that I did not mean that I am convinced by all of it. Some of it did leave me asking questions, however. If you believe that all questions left from the events of 911 have been answered as convincingly as possible (or that there aren't any questions to be addressed to begin with), well, that's fine; I don't care. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #21 November 15, 2007 Quotei do Cool. I'll think about it and let you know if I want to get married to you. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon26 0 #22 November 17, 2007 "All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the right one" To me, judging by only the known facts (Not really that much!) the likely answer to what happened definitely points to deception by someone or other and i think that anything that brings that to the public eye, even if only to consider it as one possible view on what happened, is good. Even if they do get a bit carried away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 November 17, 2007 So you think that some sort of government conspiracy is the "simplest answer"????? We can't even manage to keep classified information out of the news - how the HELL do you think the government could keep something like 9/11 quiet?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #24 October 14, 2008 Quotehow the HELL do you think the government could keep something like 9/11 quiet? They didn't One word describes it, Apathy. Just watched Zeitgeist, very interesting. Those that need proof along with the movie, try researching the quotes, quoted. Try researching the religions, astrology.... As for no evidence, how about the bible? The Rockefellers and thier fat cat mates sure have proven that they are happy with thier wealth.... haven't they. The makers of this movie predicted what is going on right now in the world Financially. Apathy is what allows all this to happen. Try watching it again and take current events into consideration, think outside the square and be honest with yourself."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #25 October 14, 2008 QuoteThose that need proof along with the movie, try researching the quotes, quoted. Try researching the religions, astrology.... As for no evidence, how about the bible? Egads! Your criteria for proof is religion and astrology? And your evidence is the Bible? You missed your calling as a Consultant to the Emperor, . . . . by about 1000 years." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
