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It seems MM's core fan-base is quite devoted.



I dunno about "devoted" as I take him at face value. I'll suggest that on the whole, the people that view and comprehend his films are likely of greater intelligence than those that whine about his films but never see them.

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... the people that view and comprehend his films are likely of greater intelligence than those that whine about his films but never see them.



Are you being serious? That is like saying that the people that listen and comprehend Rush Limbaugh talk shows are likely of greater intelligence than those that whine about Rush Limbaugh talk shows but never listen to them.
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MM don't let things like "facts & Data"



MM is the Liberal equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. Both twist "Fact & Data" support their argument without regard to Truth. Both are entertainers not meant to be taken seriously.

Both are extremist just trying to make a Buck off pushing their Distortions.

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... the people that view and comprehend his films are likely of greater intelligence than those that whine about his films but never see them.



Are you being serious? That is like saying that the people that listen and comprehend Rush Limbaugh talk shows are likely of greater intelligence than those that whine about Rush Limbaugh talk shows but never listen to them.


Or the people who read and comprehend Ann Coulter's books. :o

Hey.... this is fun. :D:D:D

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MM don't let things like "facts & Data"



MM is the Liberal equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. Both twist "Fact & Data" support their argument without regard to Truth. Both are entertainers not meant to be taken seriously.

Both are extremist just trying to make a Buck off pushing their Distortions.


Jay, what the hell are doing in Speaker's corner? I never said you could come in here! ;):P

And, MM is not like a liberal Rush, he actually makes some sense and doesn't insult anyone who questions him.
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MM is not like a liberal Rush, he actually makes some sense and doesn't insult anyone who questions him.



they are just alike. They have an agenda and will twist facts to back that agenda.

Neither of them has any qualms about knowingly twisting facts to support their opinions. Sorry Girl.. Don’t buy it

He makes since to you because you are a Liberal and therefore predisposed to believe what he is saying. Same with Limbaugh and conservatives.

MM Lies just as much as Limbaugh. They are entertainers, nothing more.
And both are laughing all the way to the Bank.

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MM is not like a liberal Rush, he actually makes some sense and doesn't insult anyone who questions him.



Michael Moore makes sense to you like Rush Limbaugh makes sense to others. You don't have to question Michael Moore to be insulted by Michael Moore.

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"They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet." Michael Moore (Speaking about Americans to Britain's Mirror newspaper.)


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I hope that people finally open their eyes and see the truth about how dismal healthcare is in this country. That being sick is not a need for healthcare. Only having money is. I know firsthand that having a terminal illness does not mean that a doctor will treat you. The very first question that they ask is how do you plan to pay for your visit. No money, no visit.



And car dealerships too. When I bought a new car last year, they didn't even have the dignity to ask how much I made, they just judged me based on what I was wearing. Tshirt and sneakers == no attention at all. Dress shirt and loafers == salespeople wouldn't leave me alone.

What we need is the government to step in and get them to give me a car for 90% off, or "free" at taxpayer expense, because that is what I and all Americans deserve as a human right. Maybe I should have gotten citizenship in Iraq, where gas was subsidized to $0.05 per gallon. I'd have a much better chance of surviving. They are my tax dollars, after all.
My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

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Michael Moore should go to Canada and talk to the people there who can't get any decent healthcare in a timely fashion before making a movie that claims that we should nationalize our healthcare system like the Canadians so that everyone can be covered. What a damn idiot. It stands to reason that if you add 40 million more people to a system who are not going to pay for the services they will receive from that system, the only thing that will happen is a great decline in the quality and quantity of services for all participants, whether you are providing healthcare or popsicles. Moore is a Moron.
I for one am proud of the fact that the USA as a whole has not yet succumbed to the socialist pressure to have a socialized healthcare system, even when all the idiots keep stating that we are the only developed nation in the world without socialized medical care. That is because we are smart enough to look at the abysmal failure of the healthcare systems of Germany, France, England, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Russia, ETC ETC ETC in providing anything close to the ideal of proper healthcare for all. Moore's pandering to the left and gross misinformation and spin doctoring of every subject he has ever documented makes him a liar and a fool, not a crusader for justice.

Just burning a hole in the sky.....

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Do you live in Canada? Or are you reading about it? And if you're reading about it, where are you reading about it? From what I"ve read, most Canadians are happier with what they have than considering having what we have. That's not the same as all, but they at least do have coverage.

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Michael Moore should go to Canada and talk to the people there who can't get any decent healthcare in a timely fashion before making a movie that claims that we should nationalize our healthcare system like the Canadians so that everyone can be covered. What a damn idiot. It stands to reason that if you add 40 million more people to a system who are not going to pay for the services they will receive from that system, the only thing that will happen is a great decline in the quality and quantity of services for all participants, whether you are providing healthcare or popsicles. Moore is a Moron.
I for one am proud of the fact that the USA as a whole has not yet succumbed to the socialist pressure to have a socialized healthcare system, even when all the idiots keep stating that we are the only developed nation in the world without socialized medical care. That is because we are smart enough to look at the abysmal failure of the healthcare systems of Germany, France, England, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Russia, ETC ETC ETC in providing anything close to the ideal of proper healthcare for all. Moore's pandering to the left and gross misinformation and spin doctoring of every subject he has ever documented makes him a liar and a fool, not a crusader for justice.



Let me guess....you have health insurance. Am I right?
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MM don't let things like "facts & Data"



MM is the Liberal equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. Both twist "Fact & Data" support their argument without regard to Truth. Both are entertainers not meant to be taken seriously.

Both are extremist just trying to make a Buck off pushing their Distortions.



If Rush is so equivalant to MM, then where are his movies that actually do some sort of research?

I think that Rush is one of the most lowest of the lowest of people in the US. I have seen his old videos before he was famous and he did nothing but call people out about their figures. He is not a nice person......trust me. At least MM whether you agree with him or not, tries to help people. I have never seen Rush do anything but insult people.

I actually watched his show a few years back and he actually defended the Barbie doll for saying "math is hard" which is what women litsen to. I don't care who you are, you do not encourage any group to be dumb. And that is exactly what he did. He serves no purpose in this world and he provides no research into what he preaches about. He makes money off it though.
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I think that Rush is one of the most lowest of the lowest of people in the US. I have seen his old videos before he was famous and he did nothing but call people out about their figures. He is not a nice person......trust me. At least MM whether you agree with him or not, tries to help people. I have never seen Rush do anything but insult people

He's never insulted me. If it weren't for people like him, we'd have another piece of crap, socialist legislation rammed through without any real explanation.

They say that nice people finish last. I think MM is working hard to get to the top of his heap.

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Do you live in Canada? Or are you reading about it? And if you're reading about it, where are you reading about it? From what I"ve read, most Canadians are happier with what they have than considering having what we have. That's not the same as all, but they at least do have coverage.

Wendy W.



That cuts both ways. I'd bet most Americans (who have health insurance) prefer our system to a nationalized, universal one.

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If Rush is so equivalant to MM, then where are his movies that actually do some sort of research?



he does research every single day for his radio show. He does the exact sane thing that MM does. He looks for extreme example that backs up what ever point he is trying to make and then sensationalizes it.

MM and Rush are both Entertainers that make a living out of getting people all stirrered up by twisting facts. One presents the Liberal viewpoint, one presents the conservative. Neither are objective at all.

I haven’t seen Sicko yet so I cant judge that film, But I did See Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 911. Both were full of lies and distortions.
I have listened to Rush Limbaugh show.. Same thing. Full of Lies and Distortions.
All of these things are just entertainment, NOT FACT (Or at least not unbiased Fact).

These people have an Agenda and Make Money by being controversial. They are NOT there to present any real Truth, Just there to see how many Blind Sheep they can get stirred up by twisting the truth.

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If Rush is so equivalant to MM, then where are his movies that actually do some sort of research?



he does research every single day for his radio show. He does the exact sane thing that MM does. He looks for extreme example that backs up what ever point he is trying to make and then sensationalizes it.

MM and Rush are both Entertainers that make a living out of getting people all stirrered up by twisting facts. One presents the Liberal viewpoint, one presents the conservative. Neither are objective at all.

I haven’t seen Sicko yet so I cant judge that film, But I did See Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 911. Both were full of lies and distortions.
I have listened to Rush Limbaugh show.. Same thing. Full of Lies and Distortions.
All of these things are just entertainment, NOT FACT (Or at least not unbiased Fact).

These people have an Agenda and Make Money by being controversial. They are NOT there to present any real Truth, Just there to see how many Blind Sheep they can get stirred up by twisting the truth.




They can't hear you.

They only worship the guy they agree with and hate the one they don't. Even better, it changes from issue to issue even. The world is populated by 2nd grader reason and 3 year old narcisism

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They can't hear you.

They only worship the guy they agree with and hate the one they don't. Even better, it changes from issue to issue even. The world is populated by 2nd grader reason and 3 year old narcisism



I hear him and just because I may not agree with him does not mean that we have second grader reasoning! I have an opinion and just because it is not what you wanted to hear does not make me stupid.

I hear everything Jay was saying, and I agree that they may entertain in some way but I believe that they are attempting to help eveyone who does not make enough money to pay these super rich doctors who will only talk to you if you have insurance or money.

What about medicare? That is a national system that does not pay shit to the providers. I deal with health insurance and doctors on a daily basis and know exactly what goes on. We have some providers that will not even bill your health insurance if they know you have an attorney because they know they will get paid in full out the the settlement the client gets, even though they should be billing the health insurance. The hippocratic oath for some doctors is gone!

And you know what? Now that I think about it, maybe having second reasoning is a good thing, because we were taught as children to help others without expecting something in return.
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I have an opinion and just because it is not what you wanted to hear does not make me stupid.



No it doesnt.. But knowing who you voluntarily married.. Well... You cant quite be all that smart.:P:D:D

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believe that they are attempting to help everyone who does not make enough money to pay these super rich doctors who will only talk to you if you have insurance or money



People that dedicate their lives to helping people (Doctors). The ones that spend 8 to 10 years in College to learn as much as they can to help others and then go on to work several more years for next to nothing as interns (Doctors) deserve to be Highly paid.

The real problem is Lawyers and our Sue happy nation. That is what is really driving up healthcare costs.

Nothing is free in this world. people work hard for a living and deserve to paid a fair price for their expertise.

Insurance is available for those that don’t want to just pay as they go. But if someone doesn’t have the money to pay, It is not the doctors fault.

If you don’t pay the power bill... It gets turned off. IF you don’t pay for your car, they take it back. If you don’t pay the doctor, You don’t get treated.

No-one should be FORCED to work for Free. That is called slavery. We should not be trying to make Slaves out of our Doctors.

One of the Biggest problems with this country right now is that there are way too many lawyers. And there are more people in law school than ever. Our best and Brightest minds are no longer going into Engineering and Medicine (Things that make the world a better Place) because there is not as much money in it. Instead they are going into Law School, Something that adds nothing to society as a whole and only drains society.

You really want to fix the problem, Close all the Law Schools. Say we already have too many lawyers and only allow new ones to replace the ones that retire or die.

Do that and healthcare just might become affordable again.

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You might want to do some research on how much malpractice issues contribute to rising healthcare cost. I think it's a pretty small piece of the pie.

One huge expense, that could be reduced is administration. You streamline processing, as well as get rid of all the commisions being paid to brokers, and the costs drop considerably. These non-medical costs are huge!

Another biggie is competition for patients and consumers' demand for the best technology available. Hospitals, fighting for patient dollars, are constantly upgrading. You want the best, you have to pay for the best.... which leads us to...

Research! I'm not sure about this, but I think more medical research dollars are spent in the US than the rest of the world combined. If we get National Healthcare, don't plan on the breakthroughs akin to what we've enjoyed over the last 50 years.

I'm not sure how to solve this dilemna... I'm just offering up some of the issues.

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Hey somebody had to marry him.......:P

j/k I love him to death.

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and I agree there are too many lawyers, but that also goes to say that you hate lawyers until you need one. I see too many insurance companies screw people over and half the time they do not have a clue what hit them.

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I agree there are too many lawyers, but that also goes to say that you hate lawyers until you need one. I see too many insurance companies screw people over and half the time they do not have a clue what hit them.



A few years ago I had surgery. Made sure I got everything pre-approved. After the surgery, my insurance company started dragging it's feet about paying. My claim was being "reviewed". Then everything got OKed. Then it got put back on "reviewed" status for a new reason. I called every few weeks to check the status and continually got the run around. This went on for SIX MONTHS!

Then I got fed up and asked if I needed to contact an attorney.

My claim was approved the next day.

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One huge expense, that could be reduced is administration



Why is that cost so High??? Because everything has to be documented, Counted, Audited, Recounted and redocumented so that the healthcare provider has all their ducks in a row when the Lawyers/Lawsuits show up.

Then you have all the compliance issues and regulatory issues that must be covered. All of this costs money. the vultures just sit back and wait for them to make a mistake so they can pounce with lawsuits.

Then you have the good old "More Government" crowd that keeps pushing more and more legislation further driving up the costs.. These same people are the complaining about how much it costs now and they are the ones that helped make it so expensive.

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These same people are the complaining about how much it costs now and they are the ones that helped make it so expensive.



Insidious isn't it. Can you name 5 other governmental issues that are being pushed with an analogous strategy?

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