Butters 0 #201 July 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteGeez Butters it is rather unfortunate that you (not me) choose to use words such as "smart" and "dumb" when my message was about life experiences. Geez CanuckInUSA it is rather unfortunate that you (not me) believe that experience and wisdom correlate directly to age. Well, MOST older people have experienced more than MOST younger people. That's just the way life works. An older person has had the time to experience more than a younger person (it does not mean they have, it means they could have). Wisdom does not depend on the amount of experiences. Wisdom depends on if you learned from the experiences (regardless if they are your experiences or the experiences of others)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #202 July 5, 2007 Quote Once again to have someone tell us that we are in these horrible economic times right now just shows those of us who have experienced worse how much that person still has to ... I hate to say it ... experience. No. It shows how much they have to learn about the experiences of others. It is the belief that we have to experience everything ourselves to learn that allows history to repeat itself."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #203 July 5, 2007 Quote It is the belief that we have to experience everything ourselves to learn that allows history to repeat itself. Many, many people can only learn from experiencing things themselves. For instance, you can try to tell them that usually Age = Experience, but they just won't listen. they have to firgure it out for themselves. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #204 July 5, 2007 Quote Quote It is the belief that we have to experience everything ourselves to learn that allows history to repeat itself. Many, many people can only learn from experiencing things themselves. For instance, you can try to tell them that usually Age = Experience, but they just won't listen. they have to firgure it out for themselves. I already agreed that an older person has had the opportunity to have more experiences. However, I have learned from my experiences that age does not directly correlate to experiences and experience does not directly correlate to wisdom."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #205 July 5, 2007 Quotethey have to firgure it out for themselves LMAO ... I can only speak for my personal experiences. But I know that when I look back to my young, invincible and know it all years ... I knew Jack. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #206 July 5, 2007 I agree that age does not directly correlate to wisdom, but usually it does, in essence. Just go and ask the average old-timer on the street a life question and odds are he's dealt with it in some way in his/her life. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #207 July 5, 2007 QuoteI can only speak for my personal experiences. But I know that when I look back to my young, invincible and know it all years ... I knew Jack. So, because you knew Jack, all younger people know Jack?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #208 July 5, 2007 QuoteQuotethey have to firgure it out for themselves LMAO ... I can only speak for my personal experiences. But I know that when I look back to my young, invincible and know it all years ... I knew Jack. Have you ever said "If I knew then what I know now!"? I sure have, and it's the truth. Wouldn't your life have been a bit different? I wouldn't change much, but at least I'd have a clue as to what was really the important stuff. Like getting laid a lot more in high school! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #209 July 5, 2007 Quote Quote I can only speak for my personal experiences. But I know that when I look back to my young, invincible and know it all years ... I knew Jack. So, because you knew Jack, all younger people know Jack? I sure as shit knew Jack..... and Jim, and Jose! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #210 July 5, 2007 QuoteI agree that age does not directly correlate to wisdom, but usually it does, in essence. Just go and ask the average old-timer on the street a life question and odds are he's dealt with it in some way in his/her life. Just because someone has dealt with something doesn't mean they dealt with it correctly. Dealing with something gives you experience. Dealing with something correctly gives you wisdom. I know people that had bad financial habits, declared bankruptcy, and still have bad financial habits. They have financial experience but they lack financial wisdom."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #211 July 5, 2007 Quote Quote I agree that age does not directly correlate to wisdom, but usually it does, in essence. Just go and ask the average old-timer on the street a life question and odds are he's dealt with it in some way in his/her life. Just because someone has dealt with something doesn't mean they dealt with it correctly. Dealing with something gives you experience. Dealing with something correctly gives you wisdom. I know people that had bad financial habits, declared bankruptcy, and still have bad financial habits. They have financial experience but they lack financial wisdom. But they still serve as an example of what NOT to do, which is pretty valuable. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #212 July 5, 2007 >So, because you knew Jack, all younger people know Jack? Hard to tell what your position is. Do you believe that age and life experience have no bearing on wisdom and the ability to make good decisions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #213 July 5, 2007 Seems like he's saying age and experience don't necessarily lead to wisdom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #214 July 5, 2007 >Seems like he's saying age and experience don't necessarily lead to wisdom. I'd agree there, but they are certainly closely related. It's like saying that people who make a lot of money are rich. Sure, you could have someone who makes no money at all and inherited a few million, and people who make $450K a year but spend $500K a year on toys, and end up in prison. But in most cases, people who make more money are more wealthy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #215 July 5, 2007 That's SC for you..... suggest that age=wisdom and you're quickly chest deep in an exhausting semantics argument. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #216 July 5, 2007 Quote>Seems like he's saying age and experience don't necessarily lead to wisdom. I'd agree there, but they are certainly closely related. It's like saying that people who make a lot of money are rich. More like saying - if you make a lot of money, you will be rich. Does the phrase - house rich, cash poor - ring a bell? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #217 July 5, 2007 Quote That's SC for you..... suggest that age=wisdom and you're quickly chest deep in an exhausting semantics argument. Or people acting like "the norm" is an absolute... Or using obtuse examples to refute the norm.Wisdom may come with expereience, but it sure ain't guaranteed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #218 July 5, 2007 Quote>So, because you knew Jack, all younger people know Jack? Hard to tell what your position is. Do you believe that age and life experience have no bearing on wisdom and the ability to make good decisions? I believe that age has a bearing on the amount of experiences you have. However, I believe that age has no bearing on the amount of experiences you have compared to the amount of experiences someone else has. A person can have a lot of experience and only a little wisdom. A person can have a little experience and a lot of wisdom. Wisdom comes from learning from your experiences and the experiences of others. Wisdom does not come from just having experiences or listening to the experiences of others."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #219 July 5, 2007 >However, I believe that age has no bearing on the amount of experiences >you have compared to the amount of experiences someone else has. That seems unsupportable. A 50 year old man is going to have more experiences than a 5 year old boy. No way around that, really. Doesn't mean the 50 year old guy will be wise, or the 5 year old will be terminally stupid. But if you need advice on investments, or how to raise children, or how to deal with your fellow workers - the 50 year old is going to be the better bet 99.9999% of the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #220 July 5, 2007 Fuck it. AGE=WISDOM and there is nothing you can say to change my mind on this. It is the truth now, always has been, and always will be the truth. You can go on thinking otherwise, but I think you are wrong. Yes, there are some examples where this may not be 100%, but for all practical purposes, it is true. I just can't take the semantics anymore, and as we all seem rather entrenched, what's the damn point??? "When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years. " - Mark Twain -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #221 July 5, 2007 You can believe whatever you want and you can use whatever examples you want. I don't and won't believe that older people will always have more experience than younger people and I will not believe that because a person has more experience that they also have more wisdom. People that do believe this are missing out on the experience and wisdom of the people that are younger than them."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #222 July 5, 2007 Quote People that do believe this are missing out on the experience and wisdom of the people that are younger than them. That's a good one.Yeah, I have learned so much from my younger sister (13 years younger) and her friends.!Dude, sorry, but in most cases this just doesn't fly. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #223 July 5, 2007 This thread needs to get back on track since in typical fashion here in SC ... the only thing we seem to agree on is to disagree with each other. I'm sorry I brought up the experience thing. So who thinks the respective US and Canadian medical systems are fine just the way they are and who thinks changes are needed? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #224 July 5, 2007 Quote I'm sorry I brought up the experience thing. As well you should be!!!!!!!!! Damn! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,009 #225 July 5, 2007 >I don't and won't believe that older people will always have more >experience than younger people and I will not believe that because a >person has more experience that they also have more wisdom. Do you believe that most older people have more experience than most younger people? >People that do believe this are missing out on the experience and wisdom >of the people that are younger than them. I love my five year old nephew to death, but honestly, if I need investment advice, I'm going to my 42 year old brother in law instead of my nephew. But if _you_ need investment advice, I'd be happy to let you meet my nephew! You might have to play "chase me" with him, though, before he will recommend specific mutual funds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
