Israel Crimes-Israeli Apartheid. From an Israelis point of view.

[Darius11 12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ou_C3Dt0T4&NR=1


I think this states the things I find so wrong and simply illegal with Israel in a non-Emotional way.

If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment.


How can we support such a nation and belive in basic freedoms?

Also does anyone find anything in this video as false, or incorrect? please comment with your proof or links.



Some interesting comments

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"CHILDREN have been Shot in 40 other conflicts I have covered-Death squads Gunned them down in El Salvador & Guatemala, mothers w/infants lined up & Massacred in Algeria, & Serb snipers put children in their sights in Sarajevo-but Ive Never watched soldiers Entice children like Mice into a trap & Murder them for Sport like GAZA"
Pulitzer Prize NY Times photojournalist on GAZA
Christopher Hedges- HARPERS Magazine

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[JohnRich 4]

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Ive Never watched soldiers Entice children like Mice into a trap & Murder them for Sport like GAZA"

I see a lot of posts where people call Israelis crazy, barbaric, or backwards. Why are they so violent? Well this is how Israelis act when their own children are hurt by muslim terrorists.. I wonder what we would do if muslims were responsible for thousands of our children’s deaths... Turn the other cheek? I somehow doubt that.

Think before you speak.

Here is a giant mirror.

The only reason we are so “civilized” is we have very cushy lives. I wonder how we would react if we had to go through what muslims put the Israeli people through.

Why do you blame all Israelis for the actions of a few. Not all Israelis are murderers, you know.

Israeli children killed, murdered by muslim missiles and bombs. Now multiply by the appropriate number, which at best should be in the thousands and think of this incident happing for years after years every day.

It is easy to be civil, pleasant and nice when you have no reason not to be, when you have not been pushed in a corner. It makes me puke when I see some muslims sit there in there cushy lives, and judge people and think they are better people. The Israelis have been the victims of muslim murderers for decades.

I find it ironic that muslims want others to be civil when they have not experienced injustices like the Israelis that they can not even fathom.

Also we have people who seem to masturbate to any bad news that has a Israeli in it.

I think most people got the point. You can dissected anyway you like but again the point is, people are far more similar then we are different. We like to assume we are all high and mighty but we are not we just have not been pushed. We are only as good as our options. Both Israelis and muslims.

Have a nice day.

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If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment.

I'm going to save those 8 minutes to defend Muslims in a different thread. This, otoh, would be a total waste of time.

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Ive Never watched soldiers Entice children like Mice into a trap & Murder them for Sport like GAZA"

I see a lot of posts where people call IsraelisPalestinians crazy, barbaric, or backwards. Why are they so violent? Well this is how IsraelisPalestinians act when their own children are hurt by muslim terroristsIsraeli forces.. I wonder what we would do if muslimsIsraeli's were responsible for thousands of our children’s deaths... Turn the other cheek? I somehow doubt that.

Re-read the modified statement above. Then you should understand some of the reasons given by terrorists to want to attack the US and by Palestinians who want to attack their occupying force.

Think before you speak.

Good advice, for everybody.
Here is a giant mirror.

The only reason we are so “civilized” is we have very cushy lives. I wonder how we would react if we had to go through what muslims put the Israeli people through.

We'd probably kill a lot of people. But hopefully some of us would ask a question like "why in the hell are they so pissed at us? But for the record, your blanket use of the term "muslim" (lower case intentional I assume) shows either a lack of desire to address the complexity of the issue or a desire to retreat to a comfortable arguing position by lumping all Muslims together and dehumanizing/disrespecting them.

Why do you blame all Israelis for the actions of a few. Not all Israelis are murderers, you know.

I don't know of anyone here who is doing that.

Israeli children killed, murdered by muslim missiles and bombs. Now multiply by the appropriate number, which at best should be in the thousands and think of this incident happing for years after years every day.

Acknowledge that the weaponry is flying both ways and you'll get a better picture.

It is easy to be civil, pleasant and nice when you have no reason not to be, when you have not been pushed in a corner. It makes me puke when I see some muslims sit there in there cushy lives, and judge people and think they are better people. The Israelis have been the victims of muslim murderers for decades.

Again, same thing on both sides.

I find it ironic that muslims want others to be civil when they have not experienced injustices like the Israelis that they can not even fathom.

Ok, I'm not trying to attack you personally, but this is an ignorant statement.

Also we have people who seem to masturbate to any bad news that has a Israeli in it.

I wouldn't choose that term but to address the point I think you're trying to make, people like me do like to see countering viewpoints broadcast in the media. The influence of AIPAC and Camera etc. have had great success in keeping this debate one sided.

I think most people got the point. You can dissected anyway you like but again the point is, people are far more similar then we are different.

A point that too few people will openly acknowledge. Thanks for doing so.

We like to assume we are all high and mighty but we are not we just have not been pushed. We are only as good as our options. Both Israelis and muslims.

Very true. And a point worth remembering when people try to condemn one side of the conflict for using the weapons options that they have at their disposal.

Have a nice day.
You too

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If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment.

I'm going to save those 8 minutes to defend Muslims in a different thread. This, otoh, would be a total waste of time.

This one isn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf6jxLnflSg&mode=related&search=

[Darius11 12]

I was reading your post and I was like wow it is written so well. Then I noticed it was my post from a few days ago with just the names changed.

Hey i am just glad you read the original post.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment.

I'm going to save those 8 minutes to defend Muslims in a different thread. This, otoh, would be a total waste of time.

This one isn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf6jxLnflSg&mode=related&search=

youtube isn't work friendly, both from a bandwidth standpoint as well as not knowing what will pop up on the screen. Nevermind if anyone in audit is paying attention.

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This one isn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf6jxLnflSg&mode=related&search=

youtube isn't work friendly, both from a bandwidth standpoint as well as not knowing what will pop up on the screen. Nevermind if anyone in audit is paying attention.

It was just some of Russert's interview with Jimmy Carter on the issue. Just kidding. It was porn.
Ha! I was only joking, it's ok to watch at work.
Everything I say is a lie.
I'm lying.

[beowulf 1]

Now that is funny.

I guess now that you changed the names back to what they were your post is now directed to Darius instead of JohnRich.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ou_C3Dt0T4&NR=1


I think this states the things I find so wrong and simply illegal with Israel in a non-Emotional way.

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after reading that portion, one can only see that is not non-emotional, or prejudiced, isn't it?.

If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment.


How can we support such a nation and belive in basic freedoms?

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where was your indignation when Hamas and Fatah were at it killing and murdering each other and innocent civilians?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[JohnRich 4]

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I was reading your post and I was like wow it is written so well. Then I noticed it was my post from a few days ago with just the names changed.

I'm glad you noticed.

You should also have noticed that the same justification you gave for muslim terrorism, based upon so-called attacks against them, also works for what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians, based upon their attacks against them.

If you want to excuse terrorism as a legitimate tactic, then it cuts both ways. If you think the muslims are justified to do it, then you have no right to complain about what the Israelis are doing.

Somehow I think you may have missed that particular point.

[Darius11 12]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ou_C3Dt0T4&NR=1


I think this states the things I find so wrong and simply illegal with Israel in a non-Emotional way.

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after reading that portion, one can only see that is not non-emotional, or prejudiced, isn't it?.

If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment.


How can we support such a nation and belive in basic freedoms?

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where was your indignation when Hamas and Fatah were at it killing and murdering each other and innocent civilians?

It's all bad Juan.

Do you have anything to say about the video or anything related to this thread?

Your feelings about what I think or what I say are meaningless to me, but you tend to keep expressing them.

As always I welcome any facts that provide information and add to the THIS discussion.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Wow, all those muslim killing muslims, and you have nothing to say but it's all bad?
This thread is about your comtempt of the state of Israel, and the aforementioned "non-emotional" statement you made.

I was first pointing out that this is not a non emotional issue for you, and never will as it seems that you point of view is more inline with Hamas principles of failing to recognize Israel as a state.

As you are indignant of Israel measures to avoid being bombed with suicide bombers, and rockets fired from their borders, where is you indignation of Hamas and Fatah killing each other, and anyone else on their way?

As John has pointed out make up your mind, you can not simply blame one side, without recognizing the tactics of the other group/groups

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Now that is funny.

I guess now that you changed the names back to what they were your post is now directed to Darius instead of JohnRich.

Hmmmmm....I didn't change any names except for "Israeli" and "Palestinian" in my reply to John. Something weird happen that I missed or is it just my hydrocodone kicking in?

[Darius11 12]

No John I didn’t miss your point, I just didn’t think it could be applied to both situations.

First Understanding why someone might do something does not mean agreement with his or her action. It is just the other point of view to they are all crazy for the sake of being crazy.

The difference between the Israelis is that they simply were not there before 1948. There was no Israel. They are Invaders.

Same for us. We are in the Middle East the Middle East is not here. So when you invade a land you will get retaliation. As discussed many times here we should be aware of our past the real past. To understand why there might be a lot of people who hate us and not because we are free, but because us and our actions have caused a lot of misery in their lives.


This video was for the people who are unaware of the treatment the Palestinians receive every day for the past 59 years.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Wow, all those muslim killing muslims, and you have nothing to say but it's all bad?
This thread is about your comtempt of the state of Israel, and the aforementioned "non-emotional" statement you made.

No actually it was stating the guy in the video is non-emotional unlike my self who does get worked up especially about this issue. I think killing any inocent people is bad. Have said it many times but you read my posts with your eternal filter.

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I was first pointing out that this is not a non emotional issue for you,

Agreed i alkready pointed out my self. By stating that the guy is non emotional unlike my self.

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As you are indignant of Israel measures to avoid being bombed with suicide bombers, and rockets fired from their borders, where is you indignation of Hamas and Fatah killing each other, and anyone else on their way?

If you recall we the US stated we want democracy once HAMAS was democratically elected we froze all their assets to make sure they can not govern. This is a prime example of our hypocrisy, and how are actions result in deaths simply because we want thing done our way.

Killing sucks war sucks for every one.

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As John has pointed out make up your mind, you can not simply blame one side, without recognizing the tactics of the other group/groups

Read my replay to John

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Israeli Casualties: Adults and Minors
September 2000 to May 5, 2002
Civilian Injuries: 2,707
Civilian Deaths: 319

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Palestinian Casualties: Adults and Minors in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
September 2000 to May 6, 2002
Injuries: 19,189
Deaths: 1,538

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/arccrisis/ispal-casualty.html


1538 vs. 319.

Why do you call it "terrorism" when a Palestinian does it in a suicide attack, and "a military operation" when an Israeli fighterplane does it? The latter is also way more effective at killing, obviously.

What do you fight with when you have no weapons? When israeli buldosers have destroyed your house and everything you had? When your familymembers are dying in israeli attacks, or as a consequence of the destruction of your posessions and thus source for income/food?

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Israel currently receives an annual $2.4 billion in military aid.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3415479,00.html

$2.4 billion dollar aid to a country that is not at all poor? In my opinion, the USA funds some of the worst terrorism there is.

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The difference between the Israelis is that they simply were not there before 1948. There was no Israel. They are Invaders.

This video was for the people who are unaware of the treatment the Palestinians receive every day for the past 59 years.

Talk about filtes !!! Oh well, I can see where this is going to be a fair discussion. Never mind centuries of history, of Jewish history on those lands.

Done, and have a great day Darius I definitely have more important things to do...

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[beowulf 1]

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Now that is funny.

I guess now that you changed the names back to what they were your post is now directed to Darius instead of JohnRich.

Hmmmmm....I didn't change any names except for "Israeli" and "Palestinian" in my reply to John. Something weird happen that I missed or is it just my hydrocodone kicking in?

JohnRich didn't write the post you replied to, he edited a previous post by Darius in a different thread. JohnRich made the opposite edits that you did.

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Now that is funny.

I guess now that you changed the names back to what they were your post is now directed to Darius instead of JohnRich.

Hmmmmm....I didn't change any names except for "Israeli" and "Palestinian" in my reply to John. Something weird happen that I missed or is it just my hydrocodone kicking in?

JohnRich didn't write the post you replied to, he edited a previous post by Darius in a different thread. JohnRich made the opposite edits that you did.

You know, if we keep doing this then we can get everyone arguing with themselves. Then they'll get confused and realize that both sides in the conflict are to blame.

[Darius11 12]

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have a great day Darius

You too Juan i am on my way to the ocean.

Peace

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[JohnRich 4]

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The difference between the Israelis is that they simply were not there before 1948. There was no Israel. They are Invaders.

So that makes it okay for muslims to commit terrorist acts against them?

Britain put them there. Maybe the muslim world should declare a jihad against England for creating Israel.

You are a foreigner here in America - an invader of a foreign land. Does that mean that we should respect no right of safety for your presence here in America?

Would it be okay for the native American Indians to commit terrorist attacks against modern European-Americans?

How far back do you want to go with this "I was here first" logic?

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The difference between the Israelis is that they simply were not there before 1948.

Yes, they were.

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Israeli Casualties
Civilian Deaths: 319

Palestinian Casualties:
Deaths: 1,538

So who is "right" is determined by who suffers the most casualties?

[idrankwhat 0]

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So that makes it okay for muslims to commit terrorist acts against them?

It makes it just as "ok" as it is for Israel to continue taking their land, shooting/bombing them and throwing them into prison

Britain put them there. Maybe the muslim world should declare a jihad against England for creating Israel.

Just can't help using the blanket term "muslim" can you?
But actually, I think the extemists have already done that, and included the US as enablers

You are a foreigner here in America - an invader of a foreign land. Does that mean that we should respect no right of safety for your presence here in America?

"Invader"? Either you're calling immigrants "invaders" or you're saying that the creation of the state of Israel was simply immigration.

Would it be okay for the native American Indians to commit terrorist attacks against modern European-Americans?

No. Would I understand if some of them did? Yes. I think that what was done to them was and is wrong and I don't know of any people who are proud of what happened. And no, I don't think that then ends justify the means. If not from a humanitarian standpoint, just look at the "ends". Not all of it is worth boasting about. And people like Abramhof, DeLay and Ralph Reed need to be financially liquidated and put in jail for continuing to screw them over.

How far back do you want to go with this "I was here first" logic?

They were both there "first". That's my point.