trigger 0 #76 July 8, 2007 Make sure you don't own any jewelry, electronics, currency or anything else that those "fuckers" could nick. It sounds like you're so resigned to having the criminals rule the roost there that you simply have to be glad you didn't have something dangerous for them to acquire when they burglarized you. That's really sad. What a yoke to live under. *** Yep they nicked pretty much all of the above,but i did have one thing they couldn't steal,insurance .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #77 July 8, 2007 QuoteMost burglaries happen when the occupents of the household are away,hence more like 'cold'burglaries i should know i've been burgled twice good job i dont own any guns the fuckers would have nicked those as well. I'm sure there *are* more 'cold' burglaries, but I'm pretty sure those numbers are 'hot'... otherwise, how would they know it was done by someone with a gun?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #78 July 8, 2007 Can't find anything to suggest they were carried out with guns could you post a link..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #79 July 8, 2007 QuoteYour right cars are nasty if driven irresponsibly as for skydiving you're petty much in charge of your own destiny provided you dont jump with idiots. Can't always control whether you're surrounded by idiots. I feel I'm more in charge of my own destiny if I am capable of an adequate defense against an armed criminal than if I have to hope he'll leave me alone after he gets all my valuables off me.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #80 July 8, 2007 Car related deaths surpass that of firearms. Should we just make them illegal too? that was my point. Your point of view is very condescending on what criminals might do, or not do, and appareantly your own good advice of getting better alarms-detection-surv. equipment has not worked for you either. Seems that your position on guns is a subjective one, what about trying an objective approach for once?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #81 July 8, 2007 QuoteCan't find anything to suggest they were carried out with guns could you post a link. The information was a direct quote from the Home Office Crime Survey 2004-2005.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #82 July 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd to be quite frank guns scare me and i think it's sad that so many of the us population feel the need to own such potentially nasty shit. Really, I have to ask, why are you afraid of guns? They're inanimate. No gun fires itself. It makes a bit more sense to be afraid of "criminals"; and beyond that, I'd say don't be so much "afraid" of them as "prepared" to recognize threats and deal with them. Taking the sarcasm out... it's a good question. Why do guns scare you? I have always lived in an environment with firearms (my family hunted, my husband owns a very well respected firearms manufacturing company, I have competed in long range events and enjoy pistol events....) I don't understand the fear that some people have of a tool. I've seen my share of horror movies (and not cuz I wanted to...) and saw many power drills used in ghastly murders, but I'm not so scared of them to demand that we have no drills in the house. I've seen patients in the ER with multiple stab wounds... but yet I still have knives in the kitchen. It's not the tool that you need to shy away from .... it's the crazy people that use that tool for illegal and immoral means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #83 July 8, 2007 Quote Make sure you don't own any jewelry, electronics, currency or anything else that those "fuckers" could nick. It sounds like you're so resigned to having the criminals rule the roost there that you simply have to be glad you didn't have something dangerous for them to acquire when they burglarized you. That's really sad. What a yoke to live under. *** Yep they nicked pretty much all of the above,but i did have one thing they couldn't steal,insurance Yeah, good point, I know I wouldn't mind losing sentimental stuff I cared about, maybe was given by my parents or other loved ones, as long as I got a check for some of the value of it a few months later on. Boy oh boy, more and more you seem to come across as perfectly content to live in the grip of criminals in control. Am I wrong in that estimation?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #84 July 8, 2007 QuoteCar related deaths surpass that of firearms. Should we just make them illegal too? that was my point. Lots of people try to score a point by saying that "guns are designed to kill, while cars are not." I shoot back with, "Yeah, and imagine that! Cars, which are NOT designed to kill, still manage to be responsible for more deaths than guns are! Wow, even without trying to kill with them, the public kills more people with their cars!" QuoteSeems that your position on guns is a subjective one, what about trying an objective approach for once? Um, I think he was the one who was saying "IMO" before? He's been offering his opinions about gun crime (by its nature, subjective) rather than facts or logic.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #85 July 8, 2007 You live and learn,ive not been burgled a third time. Car related deaths exceed that of gun related deaths because unfortunately it's a crime of the times that we all need cars,even idiots need cars,fortunately we dont all need guns,unfortunately some idiots feel they do. And my stance still remains a society we no guns is a safer society for everyone,just like a society without cars would be,but you can't have everything..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #86 July 8, 2007 Quoteunfortunately some idiots feel they do. Sorry, but my Father was not an idiot. I am not an idiot. My friends are not idiots. I think you are over generalizing due to fear and ignorance and making a complete fool of yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #87 July 8, 2007 Should have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #88 July 8, 2007 Never said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #89 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. When you find a way to identify who will go insane, psychotic or commit crimes with 100% reliability, let us know. Until then we'll have to muddle on the best we can and not prejudge with no evidence.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #90 July 8, 2007 Maybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #91 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. Actually, yes you did. "unfortunately, some idiots feel they do" in regards to gun ownership is directly calling all gun owners idiots, just for owning a tool.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #92 July 8, 2007 QuoteMaybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states. Incorrect - there are background records checks that are required for any handgun purchase.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #93 July 8, 2007 No i strongly disagree with you on that point..an idiot is exactly that imo and i in no way meant or imo implied that all gun owners are idiots..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #94 July 8, 2007 QuotePrevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. 1. It's already out there. As mentioned previously, even if Colt, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Barrett, Accuracy International, HK, CZ, et al, all decided tomorrow to close doors. There will still be guns out there. Not just the ones previously made, but there are people smart enough to know how to make them using imporvised materials. Pandoras box is open. Deal with it. 2. It's already illegal to use the weapons in crimes. Criminals don't care. They are already breaking the law by stealing, killing.... removing the legally owned firearms WON'T change that. 3. Go to a range. Pick up a gun. Learn a bit. Ignorance and fear can be just as dangerous as criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #95 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. Is it hard for you to walk along a sidewalk with cars passing by at 40, 50 mph? I mean, look at all that deadly potential! Seriously, I think your fears are misplaced. The limited number of gun crimes and murders compared to the hundreds of millions of guns and scores of millions of gun owners... just prove how RARE the problem people are! QuoteI appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Yeah, and nothing can prevent them from doing what they are gonna do. We can't engage prior restraint, we have to wait until they commit an offense. And nothing seems to be able to keep guns away from them. If they can't buy them legally, they steal them. If no civilians have them, the steal the cops' guns!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #96 July 8, 2007 Perhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #97 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. No, what you want to pretend is that if we give up our guns, the idiots will also somehow be prevented from having them. That's absurd. Here's something I can't figure out: All of us honest people have agreed to not rob people -- why haven't the bad people followed suit, just the same way you seem to think they'll do if we honest people give up our guns.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #98 July 8, 2007 Yep..believe it or not i do see everyone who's posting heres points and i'm not in total disagrement,but imo less guns/stronger vetting=less oppertunatey for guns falling into the wrong hands. The recent high school masacre in the US to me illustrates the failure of the US vetting system with regards to gun ownership. I know the pre 1997 UK requirements were a ball ache and probably deterred alot of normal people from pursuing sport shooting. However,the system didn't prevent Hungerford nor Dunblane,but is it probable a similiar system could have prevented that hate filled Korean from forfilling his sick fantasy..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #99 July 8, 2007 QuotePerhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license. How's that working at keeping the crims from getting hold of them for ya? Evidently not all THAT well. Also, here in the States that just doesn't fly all that well in most places (Hizzoner Daley's Illinois and California being a few exceptions).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 July 8, 2007 Quote Don't you know is always the victim's fault? I am learning!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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juanesky 0 #80 July 8, 2007 Car related deaths surpass that of firearms. Should we just make them illegal too? that was my point. Your point of view is very condescending on what criminals might do, or not do, and appareantly your own good advice of getting better alarms-detection-surv. equipment has not worked for you either. Seems that your position on guns is a subjective one, what about trying an objective approach for once?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #81 July 8, 2007 QuoteCan't find anything to suggest they were carried out with guns could you post a link. The information was a direct quote from the Home Office Crime Survey 2004-2005.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #82 July 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteAnd to be quite frank guns scare me and i think it's sad that so many of the us population feel the need to own such potentially nasty shit. Really, I have to ask, why are you afraid of guns? They're inanimate. No gun fires itself. It makes a bit more sense to be afraid of "criminals"; and beyond that, I'd say don't be so much "afraid" of them as "prepared" to recognize threats and deal with them. Taking the sarcasm out... it's a good question. Why do guns scare you? I have always lived in an environment with firearms (my family hunted, my husband owns a very well respected firearms manufacturing company, I have competed in long range events and enjoy pistol events....) I don't understand the fear that some people have of a tool. I've seen my share of horror movies (and not cuz I wanted to...) and saw many power drills used in ghastly murders, but I'm not so scared of them to demand that we have no drills in the house. I've seen patients in the ER with multiple stab wounds... but yet I still have knives in the kitchen. It's not the tool that you need to shy away from .... it's the crazy people that use that tool for illegal and immoral means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #83 July 8, 2007 Quote Make sure you don't own any jewelry, electronics, currency or anything else that those "fuckers" could nick. It sounds like you're so resigned to having the criminals rule the roost there that you simply have to be glad you didn't have something dangerous for them to acquire when they burglarized you. That's really sad. What a yoke to live under. *** Yep they nicked pretty much all of the above,but i did have one thing they couldn't steal,insurance Yeah, good point, I know I wouldn't mind losing sentimental stuff I cared about, maybe was given by my parents or other loved ones, as long as I got a check for some of the value of it a few months later on. Boy oh boy, more and more you seem to come across as perfectly content to live in the grip of criminals in control. Am I wrong in that estimation?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #84 July 8, 2007 QuoteCar related deaths surpass that of firearms. Should we just make them illegal too? that was my point. Lots of people try to score a point by saying that "guns are designed to kill, while cars are not." I shoot back with, "Yeah, and imagine that! Cars, which are NOT designed to kill, still manage to be responsible for more deaths than guns are! Wow, even without trying to kill with them, the public kills more people with their cars!" QuoteSeems that your position on guns is a subjective one, what about trying an objective approach for once? Um, I think he was the one who was saying "IMO" before? He's been offering his opinions about gun crime (by its nature, subjective) rather than facts or logic.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #85 July 8, 2007 You live and learn,ive not been burgled a third time. Car related deaths exceed that of gun related deaths because unfortunately it's a crime of the times that we all need cars,even idiots need cars,fortunately we dont all need guns,unfortunately some idiots feel they do. And my stance still remains a society we no guns is a safer society for everyone,just like a society without cars would be,but you can't have everything..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #86 July 8, 2007 Quoteunfortunately some idiots feel they do. Sorry, but my Father was not an idiot. I am not an idiot. My friends are not idiots. I think you are over generalizing due to fear and ignorance and making a complete fool of yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #87 July 8, 2007 Should have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #88 July 8, 2007 Never said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #89 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. When you find a way to identify who will go insane, psychotic or commit crimes with 100% reliability, let us know. Until then we'll have to muddle on the best we can and not prejudge with no evidence.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #90 July 8, 2007 Maybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #91 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. Actually, yes you did. "unfortunately, some idiots feel they do" in regards to gun ownership is directly calling all gun owners idiots, just for owning a tool.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #92 July 8, 2007 QuoteMaybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states. Incorrect - there are background records checks that are required for any handgun purchase.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #93 July 8, 2007 No i strongly disagree with you on that point..an idiot is exactly that imo and i in no way meant or imo implied that all gun owners are idiots..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #94 July 8, 2007 QuotePrevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. 1. It's already out there. As mentioned previously, even if Colt, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Barrett, Accuracy International, HK, CZ, et al, all decided tomorrow to close doors. There will still be guns out there. Not just the ones previously made, but there are people smart enough to know how to make them using imporvised materials. Pandoras box is open. Deal with it. 2. It's already illegal to use the weapons in crimes. Criminals don't care. They are already breaking the law by stealing, killing.... removing the legally owned firearms WON'T change that. 3. Go to a range. Pick up a gun. Learn a bit. Ignorance and fear can be just as dangerous as criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #95 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. Is it hard for you to walk along a sidewalk with cars passing by at 40, 50 mph? I mean, look at all that deadly potential! Seriously, I think your fears are misplaced. The limited number of gun crimes and murders compared to the hundreds of millions of guns and scores of millions of gun owners... just prove how RARE the problem people are! QuoteI appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Yeah, and nothing can prevent them from doing what they are gonna do. We can't engage prior restraint, we have to wait until they commit an offense. And nothing seems to be able to keep guns away from them. If they can't buy them legally, they steal them. If no civilians have them, the steal the cops' guns!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #96 July 8, 2007 Perhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #97 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. No, what you want to pretend is that if we give up our guns, the idiots will also somehow be prevented from having them. That's absurd. Here's something I can't figure out: All of us honest people have agreed to not rob people -- why haven't the bad people followed suit, just the same way you seem to think they'll do if we honest people give up our guns.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #98 July 8, 2007 Yep..believe it or not i do see everyone who's posting heres points and i'm not in total disagrement,but imo less guns/stronger vetting=less oppertunatey for guns falling into the wrong hands. The recent high school masacre in the US to me illustrates the failure of the US vetting system with regards to gun ownership. I know the pre 1997 UK requirements were a ball ache and probably deterred alot of normal people from pursuing sport shooting. However,the system didn't prevent Hungerford nor Dunblane,but is it probable a similiar system could have prevented that hate filled Korean from forfilling his sick fantasy..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #99 July 8, 2007 QuotePerhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license. How's that working at keeping the crims from getting hold of them for ya? Evidently not all THAT well. Also, here in the States that just doesn't fly all that well in most places (Hizzoner Daley's Illinois and California being a few exceptions).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 July 8, 2007 Quote Don't you know is always the victim's fault? I am learning!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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birdlike 0 #83 July 8, 2007 Quote Make sure you don't own any jewelry, electronics, currency or anything else that those "fuckers" could nick. It sounds like you're so resigned to having the criminals rule the roost there that you simply have to be glad you didn't have something dangerous for them to acquire when they burglarized you. That's really sad. What a yoke to live under. *** Yep they nicked pretty much all of the above,but i did have one thing they couldn't steal,insurance Yeah, good point, I know I wouldn't mind losing sentimental stuff I cared about, maybe was given by my parents or other loved ones, as long as I got a check for some of the value of it a few months later on. Boy oh boy, more and more you seem to come across as perfectly content to live in the grip of criminals in control. Am I wrong in that estimation?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #84 July 8, 2007 QuoteCar related deaths surpass that of firearms. Should we just make them illegal too? that was my point. Lots of people try to score a point by saying that "guns are designed to kill, while cars are not." I shoot back with, "Yeah, and imagine that! Cars, which are NOT designed to kill, still manage to be responsible for more deaths than guns are! Wow, even without trying to kill with them, the public kills more people with their cars!" QuoteSeems that your position on guns is a subjective one, what about trying an objective approach for once? Um, I think he was the one who was saying "IMO" before? He's been offering his opinions about gun crime (by its nature, subjective) rather than facts or logic.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #85 July 8, 2007 You live and learn,ive not been burgled a third time. Car related deaths exceed that of gun related deaths because unfortunately it's a crime of the times that we all need cars,even idiots need cars,fortunately we dont all need guns,unfortunately some idiots feel they do. And my stance still remains a society we no guns is a safer society for everyone,just like a society without cars would be,but you can't have everything..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #86 July 8, 2007 Quoteunfortunately some idiots feel they do. Sorry, but my Father was not an idiot. I am not an idiot. My friends are not idiots. I think you are over generalizing due to fear and ignorance and making a complete fool of yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #87 July 8, 2007 Should have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #88 July 8, 2007 Never said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #89 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. When you find a way to identify who will go insane, psychotic or commit crimes with 100% reliability, let us know. Until then we'll have to muddle on the best we can and not prejudge with no evidence.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #90 July 8, 2007 Maybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #91 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. Actually, yes you did. "unfortunately, some idiots feel they do" in regards to gun ownership is directly calling all gun owners idiots, just for owning a tool.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #92 July 8, 2007 QuoteMaybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states. Incorrect - there are background records checks that are required for any handgun purchase.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #93 July 8, 2007 No i strongly disagree with you on that point..an idiot is exactly that imo and i in no way meant or imo implied that all gun owners are idiots..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kbordson 8 #94 July 8, 2007 QuotePrevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. 1. It's already out there. As mentioned previously, even if Colt, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Barrett, Accuracy International, HK, CZ, et al, all decided tomorrow to close doors. There will still be guns out there. Not just the ones previously made, but there are people smart enough to know how to make them using imporvised materials. Pandoras box is open. Deal with it. 2. It's already illegal to use the weapons in crimes. Criminals don't care. They are already breaking the law by stealing, killing.... removing the legally owned firearms WON'T change that. 3. Go to a range. Pick up a gun. Learn a bit. Ignorance and fear can be just as dangerous as criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #95 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. Is it hard for you to walk along a sidewalk with cars passing by at 40, 50 mph? I mean, look at all that deadly potential! Seriously, I think your fears are misplaced. The limited number of gun crimes and murders compared to the hundreds of millions of guns and scores of millions of gun owners... just prove how RARE the problem people are! QuoteI appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Yeah, and nothing can prevent them from doing what they are gonna do. We can't engage prior restraint, we have to wait until they commit an offense. And nothing seems to be able to keep guns away from them. If they can't buy them legally, they steal them. If no civilians have them, the steal the cops' guns!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #96 July 8, 2007 Perhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #97 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. No, what you want to pretend is that if we give up our guns, the idiots will also somehow be prevented from having them. That's absurd. Here's something I can't figure out: All of us honest people have agreed to not rob people -- why haven't the bad people followed suit, just the same way you seem to think they'll do if we honest people give up our guns.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #98 July 8, 2007 Yep..believe it or not i do see everyone who's posting heres points and i'm not in total disagrement,but imo less guns/stronger vetting=less oppertunatey for guns falling into the wrong hands. The recent high school masacre in the US to me illustrates the failure of the US vetting system with regards to gun ownership. I know the pre 1997 UK requirements were a ball ache and probably deterred alot of normal people from pursuing sport shooting. However,the system didn't prevent Hungerford nor Dunblane,but is it probable a similiar system could have prevented that hate filled Korean from forfilling his sick fantasy..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #99 July 8, 2007 QuotePerhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license. How's that working at keeping the crims from getting hold of them for ya? Evidently not all THAT well. Also, here in the States that just doesn't fly all that well in most places (Hizzoner Daley's Illinois and California being a few exceptions).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 July 8, 2007 Quote Don't you know is always the victim's fault? I am learning!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
trigger 0 #85 July 8, 2007 You live and learn,ive not been burgled a third time. Car related deaths exceed that of gun related deaths because unfortunately it's a crime of the times that we all need cars,even idiots need cars,fortunately we dont all need guns,unfortunately some idiots feel they do. And my stance still remains a society we no guns is a safer society for everyone,just like a society without cars would be,but you can't have everything..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #86 July 8, 2007 Quoteunfortunately some idiots feel they do. Sorry, but my Father was not an idiot. I am not an idiot. My friends are not idiots. I think you are over generalizing due to fear and ignorance and making a complete fool of yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #87 July 8, 2007 Should have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #88 July 8, 2007 Never said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #89 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. I appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Again,prevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. When you find a way to identify who will go insane, psychotic or commit crimes with 100% reliability, let us know. Until then we'll have to muddle on the best we can and not prejudge with no evidence.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #90 July 8, 2007 Maybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #91 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. Actually, yes you did. "unfortunately, some idiots feel they do" in regards to gun ownership is directly calling all gun owners idiots, just for owning a tool.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #92 July 8, 2007 QuoteMaybe a stronger vetting system would be a start as i understand proof of residency/drivers license is all that is required in some states. Incorrect - there are background records checks that are required for any handgun purchase.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #93 July 8, 2007 No i strongly disagree with you on that point..an idiot is exactly that imo and i in no way meant or imo implied that all gun owners are idiots..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #94 July 8, 2007 QuotePrevention of criminal insane types getting access to dangerous shit. 1. It's already out there. As mentioned previously, even if Colt, Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Barrett, Accuracy International, HK, CZ, et al, all decided tomorrow to close doors. There will still be guns out there. Not just the ones previously made, but there are people smart enough to know how to make them using imporvised materials. Pandoras box is open. Deal with it. 2. It's already illegal to use the weapons in crimes. Criminals don't care. They are already breaking the law by stealing, killing.... removing the legally owned firearms WON'T change that. 3. Go to a range. Pick up a gun. Learn a bit. Ignorance and fear can be just as dangerous as criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #95 July 8, 2007 QuoteShould have refrased that it's not the guns but the deadly potential of a person with a gun that scares me. Is it hard for you to walk along a sidewalk with cars passing by at 40, 50 mph? I mean, look at all that deadly potential! Seriously, I think your fears are misplaced. The limited number of gun crimes and murders compared to the hundreds of millions of guns and scores of millions of gun owners... just prove how RARE the problem people are! QuoteI appreciate that you're all more than likely sane,rational responsible gun owners unfortunately not every gun owner is,especially the criminal/insane types. Yeah, and nothing can prevent them from doing what they are gonna do. We can't engage prior restraint, we have to wait until they commit an offense. And nothing seems to be able to keep guns away from them. If they can't buy them legally, they steal them. If no civilians have them, the steal the cops' guns!Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #96 July 8, 2007 Perhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birdlike 0 #97 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. No, what you want to pretend is that if we give up our guns, the idiots will also somehow be prevented from having them. That's absurd. Here's something I can't figure out: All of us honest people have agreed to not rob people -- why haven't the bad people followed suit, just the same way you seem to think they'll do if we honest people give up our guns.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites trigger 0 #98 July 8, 2007 Yep..believe it or not i do see everyone who's posting heres points and i'm not in total disagrement,but imo less guns/stronger vetting=less oppertunatey for guns falling into the wrong hands. The recent high school masacre in the US to me illustrates the failure of the US vetting system with regards to gun ownership. I know the pre 1997 UK requirements were a ball ache and probably deterred alot of normal people from pursuing sport shooting. However,the system didn't prevent Hungerford nor Dunblane,but is it probable a similiar system could have prevented that hate filled Korean from forfilling his sick fantasy..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #99 July 8, 2007 QuotePerhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license. How's that working at keeping the crims from getting hold of them for ya? Evidently not all THAT well. Also, here in the States that just doesn't fly all that well in most places (Hizzoner Daley's Illinois and California being a few exceptions).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 July 8, 2007 Quote Don't you know is always the victim's fault? I am learning!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 4 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
trigger 0 #96 July 8, 2007 Perhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #97 July 8, 2007 QuoteNever said you were an idiot nor did i say your father was an idiot,but there are idiots and if you or i could prevent a death from happening due to an 'idiot' wouldn't that be a good thing. No, what you want to pretend is that if we give up our guns, the idiots will also somehow be prevented from having them. That's absurd. Here's something I can't figure out: All of us honest people have agreed to not rob people -- why haven't the bad people followed suit, just the same way you seem to think they'll do if we honest people give up our guns.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #98 July 8, 2007 Yep..believe it or not i do see everyone who's posting heres points and i'm not in total disagrement,but imo less guns/stronger vetting=less oppertunatey for guns falling into the wrong hands. The recent high school masacre in the US to me illustrates the failure of the US vetting system with regards to gun ownership. I know the pre 1997 UK requirements were a ball ache and probably deterred alot of normal people from pursuing sport shooting. However,the system didn't prevent Hungerford nor Dunblane,but is it probable a similiar system could have prevented that hate filled Korean from forfilling his sick fantasy..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #99 July 8, 2007 QuotePerhaps background checks are failing in somecases in the UK and i'm talking pre 1997 you had to become a member of a gun club in the first instance for a probationary period in the first instance,then you required reputable references,judge,laywer,doctor etc and finally you had to show to a firearms officer that you had taken appropriate security measures to your home before you could be granted a firearms license. How's that working at keeping the crims from getting hold of them for ya? Evidently not all THAT well. Also, here in the States that just doesn't fly all that well in most places (Hizzoner Daley's Illinois and California being a few exceptions).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #100 July 8, 2007 Quote Don't you know is always the victim's fault? I am learning!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
