Israel, one state solution.

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I didn't make this a poll because I'm interested in your views and opinions. In time do you think that a one state solution for Israel/Palastine is possible. Personally I think this is the only viable long term solution, a state where both Arabs (Christian, Muslim et al) and Jews live in one state with equal rights for all. It will take a long time but in the end I belive that this can be the only real solution for peace. What do you think? Especially interested in Israeli and Jewish opinions but am interested in everyones opinions.

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I didn't make this a poll because I'm interested in your views and opinions. In time do you think that a one state solution for Israel/Palastine is possible. Personally I think this is the only viable long term solution, a state where both Arabs (Christian, Muslim et al) and Jews live in one state with equal rights for all. It will take a long time but in the end I belive that this can be the only real solution for peace. What do you think? Especially interested in Israeli and Jewish opinions but am interested in everyones opinions.

I think it's a good idea. Just call it "The Holy Land".

[BillyVance 34]

It's never going to happen as long as there are Palestinians and Muslims who believe Israel should not exist.

JMO

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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I think it's a good idea. Just call it "The Holy Land".

It will be right after Armegeddon..

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It's never going to happen as long as there are Palestinians and Muslims who believe Israel should not exist.

JMO

Not forgetting the Israelis who don't think the Palastinians should exist either. But that shouldn't change the possibility over time.

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How do the population sizes compare between Israelies and Palestinians?

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How do the population sizes compare between Israelies and Palestinians?

I don't know anything about this source but at quick glance, it looks pretty reasonable.
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html

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How do the population sizes compare between Israelies and Palestinians?

I don't know anything about this source but at quick glance, it looks pretty reasonable.
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html

I asked the question because of our experiences here in South Africa since our first democratic elections in 1994. The governing party has around 67-70% of the popular support, mainly Black. The next strongest party has around 12%, mainly White. In parliament the governing party needs a 2/3 majority to change the constitution, which clearly puts the minority groups in a very precarious position.

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How do the population sizes compare between Israelies and Palestinians?

I don't know anything about this source but at quick glance, it looks pretty reasonable.
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html

I asked the question because of our experiences here in South Africa since our first democratic elections in 1994. The governing party has around 67-70% of the popular support, mainly Black. The next strongest party has around 12%, mainly White. In parliament the governing party needs a 2/3 majority to change the constitution, which clearly puts the minority groups in a very precarious position.

According to the charts on that website, for the region in question it looks like the present day make up is nearly 50:50. That could make for an interesting government to say the least.

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The problem is Zionism and also if your core beliefs are that you are “chosen” and better then all non-Jews how can there ever be a partnership? If the Palestinians are looked at as less then equivalent it will not be possible. There needs to be a culture change that does not breed racism.

I am a supporter of what you are suggesting however I think for it to work both groups need to be disarmed and a 3rd party needs to be the enforcement agency. We already know that both sides will be extremely bias so a 3rd party might be the only way IMHO

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Maybe but maybe in time both sides can take baby steps towards such a peace. Both sides have alot of hate and anger to overcome, both sides have done unspeakable things to each other but maybe one day this can end.

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Personally I think this is the only viable long term solution, a state where both Arabs (Christian, Muslim et al) and Jews live in one state with equal rights for all.

I can't help but feel that the occupied lands, and palestinian matter are just red herrings for the larger hatred for any existence of Isreal, so I do not think it would be a good idea for all groups to live together equally in Isreal. It is a tiny peice of territory why can they just not have it, and let the palestinians have their territory? The creation of the jewish homeland stemmed from the recognition that without a "home base" for jews they would always be at risk of persecution, without refuge. Isreal is the one place in the world that is theirs and where they will always be welcome if they face persecution. If Jews were not the ones running Isreal they would ultimately be run out of isreal.

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

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why would you want to put twho different nations with a different culture, language, religion and life style in a single state? what's the sense in that?

i can think of many "attempts" in history to join two nations like that (czechoslovakia, yugoslavia and even the netherlands). some are still holding, some seperated quietly and some ended in bloody civil wars.

two nations, that are not mixed into one another two much. they both think all of the land is theirs, but they will have to accept that they need to share it.
and I say that as an Israeli.
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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The problem is Zionism

Israel was founded as the (well needed) home of the jewish people and i see no problem with that.

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your core beliefs are that you are “chosen” and better then all non-Jews

you are starting with this B/S again. no one in israel thinks they are any better than anyone else. take your inferiority complex elsewhere

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If the Palestinians are looked at as less then equivalent it will not be possible

as always you are mixing two things.
Israeli arabs - have full israeli citizenship and are equal by law (beside the fact that they do not serve in the army)
palestinians - they are not israeli citizens , they are citizens of the PA. maybe if instead of firing rockets over the border the PA would take care of them, their situation would be better.

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How do the population sizes compare between Israelies and Palestinians?

I don't know anything about this source but at quick glance, it looks pretty reasonable.
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html

This doesn't take into account the Palestinians who are in refugee camps outside Israel/Palestine. I think you will also find the population growth of the two groups is heavily slanted towards the Palestinians.

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I think it's a good idea. Just call it "The Holy Land".

It will be right after Armegeddon..

In which Isreal is the winner

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why would you want to put twho different nations with a different culture, language, religion and life style in a single state? what's the sense in that?

The United States does it. Also, aren't there plenty of Palestinians living in Israel already?

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The United States does it. Also, aren't there plenty of Palestinians living in Israel already?

not with these huge differnces and small land mass.
and yes, 20% of israel are arab israelis, they are israeli citizens with all the rights involved (although they don't have to serve in the army)
knowing the situation, 99% of them would rather live in israel as a minority than move to a palestinian state.
i just dont see any one good reason to force two nations to live as a single state. let each have their own homeland , side by side
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i just dont see any one good reason to force two nations to live as a single state. let each have their own homeland , side by side
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That hasn't historically worked out very well. It would be nice.

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i just dont see any one good reason to force two nations to live as a single state. let each have their own homeland , side by side
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Does that include giving them 50% of the water rights to Galilee/Jordan?

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I am a supporter of what you are suggesting however I think for it to work both groups need to be disarmed and a 3rd party needs to be the enforcement agency.

Can you identify a single case where that approach worked?

No, what happens is one side arms itself and wipes out the other. See Yugoslavia.

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i just dont see any one good reason to force two nations to live as a single state. let each have their own homeland , side by side
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Does that include giving them 50% of the water rights to Galilee/Jordan?

errr, why ?
the Galilee is not even in dispute and i'm not sure what do you mean by "Jordan".
they will have the natural resources within their land like any other country.
do you see me asking for 50% of the Iraqi oil?
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Share it as two seperate nations you mean? What do you think about the current geographic division of Palastinian lands? If they is to be a two state solution then surely both states must be independently viable in terms of water resources and freedom of movement within each state. I don't see how a two state solution in the current situation could work, what is your opinion?

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i see it as the only solution.
both issues of water and movement are solveable (and there were actually initial discussions about them)
the largest water deposit in the region is under the west bank area so if anything, the PA will need to share some of it with Israel.
as for movement, the idea is to have a "safe" passage (road, railroad) between the Gaza strip and the west bank.
its possible and its easy if that was the only problem.

trust me, when THIS is the problem, it can be solved easily.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Curiosity here I may well be wrong but don't Sabres have more rights than non Sabres?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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