Guest #1 July 9, 2007 Story here: "4. Most suicide bombers are Muslim Suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, but according to Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making Sense of Suicide Missions, when religion is involved, the attackers are always Muslim. Why? The surprising answer is that Muslim suicide bombing has nothing to do with Islam or the Quran (except for two lines). It has a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex. What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don't get any wives at all. So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent, increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality, population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in the region. However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing. Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars—but not suicide bombings. The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on earth of being a complete reproductive loser. It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. And nearly all suicide bombers are single." -------------------------- So much for US foeign policy as the root cause of all the terror. mh . edit for spelling"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #2 July 9, 2007 Quote So much for US foeign policy as the root cause of all the terror. Au contraire... Sending troops is obviously a major foreign policy blunder, when sending few ladies of little virtue would surely single handedly take care of the suicide bombing issue. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #3 July 9, 2007 So much for US foeign policy as the root cause of all the terror. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Au contraire... Sending troops is obviously a major foreign policy blunder, when sending few ladies of little virtue would surely single handedly take care of the suicide bombing issue. They also have to be blonde haired, blue eyed, big breasted Barbies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #4 July 9, 2007 QuoteStory here: What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. Anyone want to validate this statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 July 9, 2007 While there may be some basis for some of the list, I would hardly call any of them "truths". The article reaches far beyond what the could even come close to being called facts.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 572 #6 July 9, 2007 what you mean that it is not a "fact" that because men are taller than women they are polygomous?You got to be kidding me - polygamy is the root cause of all good and evil in that article Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #7 July 9, 2007 Right, and if the RCs allowed priests to marry it would cut down on child molestation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #8 July 9, 2007 Could you try to stay on topic?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #9 July 9, 2007 I remember watching a video online of an attempted suicide bombing ona Russian army encampment in Chechnya. The bombers were muslim women[sisters in fact] so i'm not convinced the 72 virgins on offer in the afterlife is the only motivation for muslim extremist suicide bombers..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #10 July 9, 2007 >What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. Hmm. Christianity (specifically Mormonism) tolerates polygyny as well; I wonder if that accounts for some of the violence we see from christians? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #11 July 9, 2007 Its no wonder i'm agnostic .CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 July 9, 2007 Look past your hate. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #13 July 9, 2007 QuoteCould you try to stay on topic? It IS on topic, which is: Ten Politically Incorrect Truths of Human Nature... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #14 July 9, 2007 Quote>What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. Hmm. Christianity (specifically Mormonism) tolerates polygyny as well; I wonder if that accounts for some of the violence we see from christians? The difference in the level of acceptance in Christianity versus Islam and the difference in frequency makes this analogy a particularly lousy one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #15 July 9, 2007 >The difference in the level of acceptance in Christianity versus Islam >and the difference in frequency makes this analogy a particularly lousy one. What's the acceptance level in Islam? (Other than what's claimed on hate sites, that is.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #16 July 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteCould you try to stay on topic? It IS on topic, which is: Ten Politically Incorrect Truths of Human Nature Is this another one of those "It looks like it might be true, therefore it is true" assertions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #17 July 9, 2007 Quote>The difference in the level of acceptance in Christianity versus Islam >and the difference in frequency makes this analogy a particularly lousy one. What's the acceptance level in Islam? (Other than what's claimed on hate sites, that is.) In many Muslim countries it's commonly accepted...a non-issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #18 July 9, 2007 >In many Muslim countries it's commonly accepted...a non-issue. Just asked a co-worker who came from Iran. She said it wasn't common at all where she was from. Where did you get your info? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #19 July 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteCould you try to stay on topic? It IS on topic, which is: Ten Politically Incorrect Truths of Human Nature Is this another one of those "It looks like it might be true, therefore it is true" assertions? ISBN 0-9770402-0-8... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #20 July 9, 2007 QuoteQuote>The difference in the level of acceptance in Christianity versus Islam >and the difference in frequency makes this analogy a particularly lousy one. What's the acceptance level in Islam? (Other than what's claimed on hate sites, that is.) In many Muslim countries it's commonly accepted...a non-issue. Is this another one of those "It looks like it might be true, therefore it is true" assertions?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #21 July 9, 2007 Here a map indicating (in green) which nations allow polygamy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #22 July 9, 2007 Quote>In many Muslim countries it's commonly accepted...a non-issue. Just asked a co-worker who came from Iran. She said it wasn't common at all where she was from. Where did you get your info? I've seen it in many islamic countries I have been. I did not get the info, i just saw it, does that count?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #23 July 9, 2007 Quote Is this another one of those "It looks like it might be true, therefore it is true" assertions? That's actually not a stretch. The Koran specifically allows it. The Prophet Muhammed had around 12 wives. His sayings and his life in general is used throughout Muslim faiths as the foundation for traditions and beliefs. In real world politics you see compromises between strict religious interpretation and secular practices. "Islamic" nations are on a bit of a spectrum. At the secular end you see some attempts to restrict polygamy, and on the fundie end you see much more tolerance.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #24 July 9, 2007 Hmm. Christianity (specifically Mormonism) tolerates polygyny as well; ______________________________ I thought, the Church of Latter Day Saints abolished polygamy a long time ago and that only off-shoot 'pseudo' Mormons recognize polygamy? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #25 July 9, 2007 Quote Hmm. Christianity (specifically Mormonism) tolerates polygyny as well; ______________________________ I thought, the Church of Latter Day Saints abolished polygamy a long time ago and that only off-shoot 'pseudo' Mormons recognize polygamy? Chuck Hmm, indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites