More great news from Iraq - 7/13/07

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Hey since the war is going so well over there dont you want to go join up and go see all this progress for yourself...

Hell a local man... 65 years old... has joined up...he said something about patriotism and serving his country.

[billvon 3,063]

>You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die?

And, apparently, almost a dozen GOP legislators. Heck, 42 percent of republicans want all US servicemen to die grisly deaths, according to a Jul 15th poll.

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The Dems understand if we don't get out of there quick, the win over there will look back on them

Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die? If you are buying into the punchlines and rhetoric of right wing radio so much that you actually believe the Democratic party has a platform that amounts to treason, how is it even possible to have a remotely rational conversation with you?

Close, but not exactly.

They want the deaths of our military servicemen to stop. They are willing to achieve that by losing the war at any cost.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[JohnnyD 0]

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The Dems understand if we don't get out of there quick, the win over there will look back on them

Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die? If you are buying into the punchlines and rhetoric of right wing radio so much that you actually believe the Democratic party has a platform that amounts to treason, how is it even possible to have a remotely rational conversation with you?

Close, but not exactly.

They want the deaths of our military servicemen to stop. They are willing to achieve that by losing the war at any cost.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
The military objective was to stop the imminent attack by WMDs and remove SH from power.
Those objectives are accomplished. The war is over.
All we are doing now is nation building and you can't do that with the Army.

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The Dems understand if we don't get out of there quick, the win over there will look back on them

Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die? If you are buying into the punchlines and rhetoric of right wing radio so much that you actually believe the Democratic party has a platform that amounts to treason, how is it even possible to have a remotely rational conversation with you?

Close, but not exactly.

They want the deaths of our military servicemen to stop. They are willing to achieve that by losing the war at any cost.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
The military objective was to stop the imminent attack by WMDs and remove SH from power.
Those objectives are accomplished. The war is over.
All we are doing now is nation building and you can't do that with the Army.

I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation-building.

-G.W. Bush

It seems Mr. Bush is a liar!

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[masterblaster72 0]

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Troops See Progress, Grow Weary of Negative Reports on War
By Fred W. Baker III
American Forces Press Service

Just another example of you eating only the propaganda that you want to hear, and ignoring facts that don't agree with your viewpoint.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation-building.

-G.W. Bush

It seems Mr. Bush is a liar!

He was against it, before he voted for it.

Of course Kerry is a scumbag liberal and the president is just changing course (or flip flopping or breaking campaign promises, depending on how you look at it)

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Yeah, I guess nation-building is only good when a Dem administration is doing it...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Yeah, I guess nation-building is only good when a Dem administration is doing it...

No, its not. That is why Bush pledged not to do it as part of his campaign.

[rushmc 23]

Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die?

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Going by thier actions? Yes, I do believe they want that simply for political advantage

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Troops See Progress, Grow Weary of Negative Reports on War
By Fred W. Baker III
American Forces Press Service

Just another example of you eating only the propaganda that you want to hear, and ignoring facts that don't agree with your viewpoint.

Ah yes. I know only the lefties have the true facts Pick you poison! Your propoganda or mine!

Oh, I forgot, only yours is the true facts

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die?

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Going by thier actions? Yes, I do believe they want that simply for political advantage

And how many US troops would have to die, and how hopeless would the situation have to be before you thought they might be doing it for the good of the country and the safety of the troops?

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Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die?

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Going by thier actions? Yes, I do believe they want that simply for political advantage

I feel sad for you as a person and offended by that as an American.

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Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die?

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Going by thier actions? Yes, I do believe they want that simply for political advantage

If you frame and define a question that can get only the answer you want or answer you can pounce on don't expect an answer.

for the second part,

I don't think those who support the Dem party do nor all of the Senators. Ones like Ried, Bidden,Clinton, Rangle and Schumer? Yes I believe they would see their own mothers to prositution for a vote

And how many US troops would have to die, and how hopeless would the situation have to be before you thought they might be doing it for the good of the country and the safety of the troops?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die?

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Going by thier actions? Yes, I do believe they want that simply for political advantage

I feel sad for you as a person and offended by that as an American.

Don't need to feel sorry for me but at least those Senators should offend you. IMO they have cost many a soldier thier life

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,063]

Do you think the republican senators (and the large number of republicans) who oppose the war also want US troops to die? Do you think the members of the ISG, who recommended a drawdown of troops, also want our troops to die?

[kallend 2,106]

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The Dems understand if we don't get out of there quick, the win over there will look back on them

Do you honestly believe - even just a little - that over 50% of Congress actually wants the US to lose the war (however you define that)? You really think that the Democratic party wants American servicemen and women to die? If you are buying into the punchlines and rhetoric of right wing radio so much that you actually believe the Democratic party has a platform that amounts to treason, how is it even possible to have a remotely rational conversation with you?

Close, but not exactly.

They want the deaths of our military servicemen to stop. They are willing to achieve that by losing the war at any cost.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
The military objective was to stop the imminent attack by WMDs and remove SH from power.
Those objectives are accomplished. The war is over.
All we are doing now is nation building and you can't do that with the Army.

I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation-building.

-G.W. Bush

It seems Mr. Bush is a liar!

And the Sun rose in the east this morning.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Don't need to feel sorry for me but at least those Senators should offend you. IMO they have cost many a soldier thier life

How exactly did they do that? By discussing the progress of the war and possible new courses of action? And what do you suggest out congress do, ignore the war?

In reality, things like unarmored Hummers and lack of body armor is what leads to casualties, not talk. But if you believe that it is talk that leads to troop deaths it allows you to further your agenda of eliminating dissent. Sorry, but that's not happening.

If they brought them home tomorrow, would you credit them with saving a lot of their lives?

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[rushmc 23]

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Do you think the republican senators (and the large number of republicans) who oppose the war also want US troops to die? Do you think the members of the ISG, who recommended a drawdown of troops, also want our troops to die?

Some of they maybe. I think that those who are now changing positions are poll driven polititions and are afraid so they are speaking differently for fear of their jobs.

Now you say it as "wanting the troops to die" . I do not think they want anyone to die. I do however think they will use troop deaths to bolster thier political advantage. And if their retoric encourages that to happen? Well, that is just a consequense of that tactic.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Don't need to feel sorry for me but at least those Senators should offend you. IMO they have cost many a soldier thier life

How exactly did they do that? By discussing the progress of the war and possible new courses of action? And what do you suggest out congress do, ignore the war?

In reality, things like unarmored Hummers and lack of body armor is what leads to casualties, not talk. But if you believe that it is talk that leads to troop deaths it allows you to further your agenda of eliminating dissent. Sorry, but that's not happening.

If they brought them home tomorrow, would you credit them with saving a lot of their lives?

Unarmored and body armor. Those talking points were destroyed years ago. So, you have to bring them back to support your postition?? what a bunch of shit

You do love framing questions in misleading ways dont you!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,063]

> I do not think they want anyone to die.

RushMC: "Yes, I do believe they want that . . " (when applied to liberals)

So once again -

The vast majority of US citizens, including many returning US troops, oppose the war. Most senators and congressmen - including many GOPers - oppose the war. Do they want US troops to die, for whatever reason?

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> I do not think they want anyone to die.

RushMC: "Yes, I do believe they want that . . " (when applied to liberals)

So once again -

The vast majority of US citizens, including many returning US troops, oppose the war. Most senators and congressmen - including many GOPers - oppose the war. Do they want US troops to die, for whatever reason?

You do have fun don't you.

It is not hard to understand why the citizens poll the way they do and even the polls you quote also say they do not want us to pull out and/or loose. Also, with the constant negative drum beat of left wanting us to loose and the media helping them in the same cause it is easy to understand.

So, I bleive what I beleive because I am confident that if this fight is not taken to them it will come here. And not because WE have pissed them off. It is because THEY, the radical muslims, say we beleive or die!!!!! I can only imagine the reaction if a chritian said that today.

You beilieve what you believe. I am confident you are wrong. Simple, dont you think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SpeedRacer 1]

what do you mean by "Lose"?

This is not a conventional war.

It seems to me that the job is done (you can call it "won" if you like) is when we hand over Iraq to the Iraqis & let them take over the fight against the insurgency.

To do that we would have to pull out of Iraq at some point. The war isn't "won" until you stop fighting.

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Unarmored and body armor. Those talking points were destroyed years ago. So, you have to bring them back to support your postition?? what a bunch of shit

You do love framing questions in misleading ways dont you!

I notice you didn't answer my questions:

How exactly did they do that? By discussing the progress of the war and possible new courses of action? And what do you suggest out congress do, ignore the war?

And oh, by the way, if my talking point about unarmored vehicles was blown out of the water years ago, why did Gates ask for more armored vehicles 2 hours ago??? Hmmmmm?

http://www.yahoo.com/s/629336


Pentagon asks money for armored vehicles By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 37 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Robert Gates plans to ask Congress Tuesday for permission to shift as much as $1.3 billion from other military programs to speed up the purchase of bomb-resistant vehicles for troops in Iraq.

According to military officials, the Army would like to reallocate about $800 million, and the Marines want roughly $500 million, to buy the Mine Resistant, Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles that have been saving lives in roadside bomb attacks.

Gates is expected to go to Capitol Hill with senior Army and Marine leaders to formally request that the money be reprogrammed, the officials said on condition of anonymity because the meeting has not yet taken place.

Military officials said the shift in funds would not affect any day-to-day war spending or the troops in battle.

The Pentagon has come under fire in recent months, particularly from Congress, for perceived delays in getting the armored vehicles to the troops.

Gates has said that getting more of the armored vehicles to the troops is a top priority. And he has demanded an accelerated effort to get them to Iraq in large numbers to replace the more vulnerable Humvee utility vehicle used by soldiers and Marines.

The additional money would help contractors get more of the vehicles to the field faster, the officials said. They did not say exactly how many more or how much faster the work could be done.

On July 11, the Pentagon's Joint Requirements Oversight Council, which includes high-ranking representatives from all of the military services, agreed that the military needs to buy as many of the reinforced vehicles as the contractors could churn out.

The group previously endorsed the need for nearly 7,800 MRAPs, which included about 2,500 for the Army. The projected cost would be about $8.4 billion.

Army officials have said they could use as many as 17,700 and the Marines want 3,700.

In its memo, the council said the Pentagon wants to "reach a maximum production rate as soon as possible," but the final number to be bought will depend on the changing conditions in the war, feedback from commanders and any possible changes in the military's mission in Iraq.

To date, no U.S. forces have been killed while riding in the MRAP carriers, which cost about $1 billion each and have a unique V-shaped hull that deflects blasts outward and away from passengers. They are considered lifesavers against the No. 1 killer in Iraq — roadside bombs.

The military officials said it is hoped that Congress would eventually restore much of the funding, which is being shifted from other accounts for the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30. A significant amount of the money for the Army, for example, was initially earmarked for maintenance and refurbishment of equipment that was scheduled to come back to the United States with units that had planned to come home after one-year deployments.

Gates, however, extended the Iraq tours to a maximum of 15 months, and as a result there have been savings in some of those repair accounts.

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[billvon 3,063]

>Simple, dont you think?

Yes, really a simple question, but one you cannot answer - because underlying your posts is, I think, a lot of hatred towards liberals. So you say the most damning things you can about them, like "the democratic party wants US soldiers to die." When it's pointed out that most americans, including a lot of GOPers. support the same thing, you back off and change the subject, because (I think) you realize that what you said is absurd.

To put it another way, a democrat could, just as accurately (which is to say, not at all accurately) say that "you people want to keep the troops there until they're all dead." And he would be just as right - and the argument would be just as useless.

US soldiers are dying by the thousands. Do you want to stop that? I do.