NCclimber 0 #26 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Hitler was democratically elected too And Colin Powell covered up the My Lai Massacre... and statements about tax cuts not leading to higher revenues prove that current federal tax revenues are not at all-time highs... and enforced confidentiality agreements equal the government silencing all of the press. If nothing else, your insights are unique. On March 5, 1933, the Nazis won 44 percent of the popular vote. The Nazis secured 288 seats in the parliament. Along with the 52 seats of the Nationalists their coalition had obtained a majority of 16 seats. The coalition that Hitler led won a majority in the parliament in a democratic election, QED. Hitler became Chanecellor before that election. IMO comparisons of Bush to Hilter are little more than emotional handgrenades. I really don't see how anyone of average intelligence and a basic knowledge of 1930s Germany can liken Bush, the Republican Party or life in the country to that part of Germany's history. The only way to do so (and this requires some spectacular mental gymnastics) is to simply compare indivdual acts, while completely ignoring the magnitude of those actions. To me, the questionable detention of a handful of Americans is not on par with the killing of 6 million citizens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #27 July 17, 2007 Quote IMO comparisons of Bush to Hilter are little more than emotional handgrenades. I really don't see how anyone of average intelligence and a basic knowledge of 1930s Germany can liken Bush, the Republican Party or life in the country to that part of Germany's history..... They might, if perhaps they read the quote word for word and took it at face value, as mr2mk1g aptly pointed out. No mental gymnastics necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #28 July 17, 2007 QuoteThey might, if perhaps they read the quote word for word and took it at face value, as mr2mk1g aptly pointed out. No mental gymnastics necessary. One need to take mr ellifson in as his entire picture and the attitudes of the district that he panders to. Check him out. He's a bit scary in that position. But no more so than many others. I'm sure he'll be the greatest hero in the west to about 5% of the population, and anathema to another 5%, and mostly just a source of discomfort and amusement to the rest of us. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #29 July 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteThey might, if perhaps they read the quote word for word and took it at face value, as mr2mk1g aptly pointed out. No mental gymnastics necessary. One need to take mr ellifson in as his entire picture and the attitudes of the district that he panders to. Check him out. He's a bit scary in that position. But no more so than many others. I'm sure he'll be the greatest hero in the west to about 5% of the population, and anathema to another 5%, and mostly just a source of discomfort and amusement to the rest of us. Yea. I only wanted to point out the accuracy of the statement, not what his intentions were/are. You say stuff like this and you know you're going to make the headlines.The sad part is that if you do it too often then you get branded as a kook (with some exceptions) and no one takes you seriously, so basically it's self defeating. Putin can pull it off but not a controversial newbie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #30 July 17, 2007 Quote I don't think Bush is smart enough to be like Hitler. and Hitler was an excellent public speaker. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #31 July 17, 2007 QuoteWhen I read the poll I wanted to vote no for obvious reasons, but after reading the article I can see what he is comparing and he is right on the money. Without the fear politics (code orange, code red, code Salmon) that occurred after 9-11 GWB would simply not have been able to do all that he has. Interesting how comparing the circumstances that led to Hitler coming into power and the events following 9/11 means Bush=Hitler. I think you're dead on about 9/11 being the catalyst for things such as wiretapping, the patriot act, and gitmo. Sad to see people arguing about something that was never even said, but thats SC - one post of substance and 55 replies about semantics. To add to the substance - Given the same circumstances, I don't believe the American people would allow a ruler to come to power with the amount of authority as European rulers in the 1900s. I think the amount of power taken by the administration has been excessive, but it has been available due to extraordinary circumstances. As those circumstances change, there will be a redistribution of power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 July 17, 2007 Personally I think its not the best way to depict this administration.. BUT...its a good idea to remember what happens when a nutjob like Hitler is allowed to get away with his agenda... and it just keeps getting worse and worse. I think this Administration has the capacity to take this country down a VERY disturbing road that goes contrary to what the forfathers wished our country to be. When party affiliation blinds one ...as some here are blinded in their support for ANYTHING this administration has dreamed up... and can STILL come up with.. it is far better to remember how other countries have gone down a very destructive path.. and not follow their lead with wars against external "threats" and internal abuses of their peoples rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #33 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Hitler was democratically elected too And Colin Powell covered up the My Lai Massacre... and statements about tax cuts not leading to higher revenues prove that current federal tax revenues are not at all-time highs... and enforced confidentiality agreements equal the government silencing all of the press. If nothing else, your insights are unique. On March 5, 1933, the Nazis won 44 percent of the popular vote. The Nazis secured 288 seats in the parliament. Along with the 52 seats of the Nationalists their coalition had obtained a majority of 16 seats. The coalition that Hitler led won a majority in the parliament in a democratic election, QED. Hitler became Chanecellor before that election. reply] Want to enter an argument about the 2000 election and how Bush was appointed by the SCOTUS after losing the popular vote? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #34 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote IMO comparisons of Bush to Hilter are little more than emotional handgrenades. I really don't see how anyone of average intelligence and a basic knowledge of 1930s Germany can liken Bush, the Republican Party or life in the country to that part of Germany's history..... They might, if perhaps they read the quote word for word and took it at face value... and ignored the rest of his speech. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #35 July 17, 2007 QuoteWant to enter an argument about the 2000 election and how Bush was appointed by the SCOTUS after losing the popular vote? Start a new thread and we'll see. How about we compare it to the elections of 1824, 1876 and 1888? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #36 July 17, 2007 Here is the title of the article (cut and pasted): Bush like Hitler, says first Muslim in Congress Funny thing is: he didn't say that. So, is this a liberal media conspiracy, an oversight, or just a total piece of shit article that is trying to interject something into the article that wasn't even said or implied? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #37 July 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteWant to enter an argument about the 2000 election and how Bush was appointed by the SCOTUS after losing the popular vote? Start a new thread and we'll see. How about we compare it to the elections of 1824, 1876 and 1888? I think this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP . Were either Bush or Hitler running in 1824, 1876 or 1888 or are you just attempting a diversion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #38 July 17, 2007 Quote I think this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP . Really? How about you posting a direct quote from the OP.and speaking of diversions, here is a good one: Quote Want to enter an argument about the 2000 election and how Bush was appointed by the SCOTUS after losing the popular vote? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #39 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote I think this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP . Really? How about you posting a direct quote from the OP. OK. From post #1 in this thread: "Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #40 July 17, 2007 Quoteyou say stuff like this and you know you're going to make the headlines.The sad part is that if you do it too often then you get branded as a kook.... no branding needed - most of the time, there are already kooks, we just find out once they get a microphone in their faces ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #41 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I think this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP . Really? How about you posting a direct quote from the OP. OK. From post #1 in this thread: "Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany." From that you thought we should discuss the 2000 election, including the relevance of the SCOTUS and the popular vote? Them's some might fine lures ya got thar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #42 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I think this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP . Really? How about you posting a direct quote from the OP. OK. From post #1 in this thread: "Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany." From that you thought we should discuss the 2000 election, including the relevance of the SCOTUS and the popular vote? Them's some might fine lures ya got thar. You asked for a direct quote, you got a direct quote. You are only fooling yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #43 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I think this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP . Really? How about you posting a direct quote from the OP. OK. From post #1 in this thread: "Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany." From that you thought we should discuss the 2000 election, including the relevance of the SCOTUS and the popular vote? Them's some might fine lures ya got thar. You asked for a direct quote, you got a direct quote. You are only fooling yourself. Can I get you a mirror. LOL Your effort to make this about the 2000 election had nothing to do with content of the OP. It's right up there with CGABJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #44 July 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I think this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP . Really? How about you posting a direct quote from the OP. OK. From post #1 in this thread: "Mark Drake, of the Republican party in Minnesota, said: "To compare the democratically elected leader of the United States of America to Hitler is an absolute moral outrage which trivialises the horrors of Nazi Germany." From that you thought we should discuss the 2000 election, including the relevance of the SCOTUS and the popular vote? Them's some might fine lures ya got thar. You asked for a direct quote, you got a direct quote. You are only fooling yourself. Can I get you a mirror. LOL Your effort to make this about the 2000 election had nothing to do with content of the OP. It's right up there with CGABJ. "this thread is about comparing Bush to Hitler, and the issue of election was raised in the OP ". The quote you asked for was provided. You were caught out, and you are now making a really lame attempt to divert attention.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 July 17, 2007 Quote>Don't hold your breath waiting to hear from the dem caucus . . . Of course not; he's their guy. You didn't hear the GOP caucus condemning the Bush administration for comparing Kerry to Hitler in that ad his campaign produced. Heck, I bet a lot of GOPers agreed with it! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Personally I think it's sad that both parties are lowering themselves to this level. Can you back that up?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #46 July 18, 2007 QuoteQuote>Don't hold your breath waiting to hear from the dem caucus . . . Of course not; he's their guy. You didn't hear the GOP caucus condemning the Bush administration for comparing Kerry to Hitler in that ad his campaign produced. Heck, I bet a lot of GOPers agreed with it! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Personally I think it's sad that both parties are lowering themselves to this level. Can you back that up? Short memory you have: www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-27-bush-hitler-ad_x.htm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #47 July 18, 2007 Comparing one democratically elected leader to another has got exactly what to do with delusions of fraud? Does anyone else remember the old "rule" about comparing someone to Hitler means you concede the debate? penniless, do you really think your daydreams about an election have anything to do with the issue of a congressman making a comparison between Bush and Hitler?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #48 July 18, 2007 QuoteDoes anyone else remember the old "rule" about comparing someone to Hitler means you concede the debate? hmm, I wonder. It's only been mentioned several times within the thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #49 July 18, 2007 From the site "We're using the video from MoveOn.org to show our supporters the type of vitriolic rhetoric being used by the president's opponents and John Kerry's surrogates," " Kind of changes the context don't you think?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #50 July 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote >Don't hold your breath waiting to hear from the dem caucus . . . Of course not; he's their guy. You didn't hear the GOP caucus condemning the Bush administration for comparing Kerry to Hitler in that ad his campaign produced. Heck, I bet a lot of GOPers agreed with it! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Personally I think it's sad that both parties are lowering themselves to this level. Can you back that up? Short memory you have: www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-27-bush-hitler-ad_x.htm For that matter you post seems to be down right misleading if not dishonest"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
