Considering planes add to the problem, we should try to give back.

[flyinchicken 0]

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/NatureChallenge/at_Home/sign_up.aspx

Very inspiring and full of information and ideas.

"Diligent observation leads to pure abstraction". Lari Pittman

[JohnRich 4]

So when are you going to give up your personal automobile and start using public transportation, to save the environment?

[Remster 30]

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So when are you going to give up your personal automobile and start using public transportation, to save the environment?

Who said anything about giving up John? Why are you using such a weak strawman?

Remster

[flyinchicken 0]

I don't have a car. I live in the city and take public transit everywhere. when I go out to the dz I rent or car pool.

"Diligent observation leads to pure abstraction". Lari Pittman

[billvon 3,070]

> So when are you going to give up your personal automobile . . .

Sounds like he did. What are you doing?

[flyinchicken 0]

She

"Diligent observation leads to pure abstraction". Lari Pittman

[billvon 3,070]

> She

Sorry! I didn't see "flyinhen" so I figured . . .

[kallend 2,106]

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> She

Sorry! I didn't see "flyinhen" so I figured . . .

You have to read between the letters:

flyinchicken

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JohnRich 4]

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Who said anything about giving up John?

The web site did.

[Remster 30]

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Who said anything about giving up John?

The web site did.

I must have missed it. Still am. I see a lot about making choices, but not giving up cars.
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/NatureChallenge/more.asp

Nice try though.

Remster

[billvon 3,070]

>The web site did.

No it didn't.

Pelosi: "I want my jet"
Website: "Give up your car"

[Remster 30]

Bill, you still havent replied. Did you give up your cars, you question dodging hypocrite you!

Remster

[billvon 3,070]

>Did you give up your cars, you question dodging hypocrite you!

Nope! I am still a Prius-driving, alcohol-burning, 100% hypocrite. At least on the weekends.

-- bill von
hypocrite extraordinaire

[jakee 1,563]

Why you dirty double-crosser!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JohnRich 4]

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Who said anything about giving up John?

The web site did.

I must have missed it. Still am. I see a lot about making choices, but not giving up cars. Nice try though.

Try this: http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Solutions/Transportation.asp

When will you be incorporating all of these recommendations into your personal transportation lifestlye?

Oh, but if you have enough money to buy carbon offsets, then feel free to keep spewing all the pollution you want. Then these ideas do not apply to you.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Nope! I am still a Prius-driving, alcohol-burning, 100% hypocrite. At least on the weekends.

You're supposed to drink the alcohol.

[billvon 3,070]

>Try this:

From that page:

"Encourage Canadians to consider a hybrid vehicle when buying a new car."

In case that was unclear, that is encouraging them to buy a certain kind of car, which is the opposite of giving up a car.

[Remster 30]

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Who said anything about giving up John?

The web site did.

I must have missed it. Still am. I see a lot about making choices, but not giving up cars. Nice try though.

Try this:
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Solutions/Transportation.asp

You're right. It even gives a phone number of Men In Black that will take the car away from your neighbourgs too.

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The David Suzuki Foundation proposes the following measures to reduce transportation emissions:

Improve mandatory fuel economy standards for vehicles to reduce both greenhouse gas emissions and air pollution.

Gradually introduce tax increases on gasoline and diesel to reflect their real environmental and health costs. European transportation fuels cost two to three times more than Canada's, and consumption is one third less. Over the long term such taxes encourage the purchase of fuel-efficient vehicles and reduce unneccesary driving. Tax income should support transportation alternatives such as efficient, convenient transit and bicycle infrastructure while allowing reductions to sales, payroll or income taxes.

Strengthen support for public transit, car pool programs, cycling infrastructure and other sustainable transport options.

Require a mandatory renewable energy content of five per cent, such as lignocellulosic ethanol (made from straw, corn husks, forest residue, etc.), to replace some of the gasoline Canadians use.

Lower and enforce speed limits to reduce fuel consumption. There is an enormous increase in fuel use at higher speeds.

Encourage the movement of freight by rail rather than by road, as rail is much more fuel efficient.

Encourage Canadians to consider a hybrid vehicle when buying a new car. The 2004 Toyota Prius, for example, uses just 4.1 litres of gas to travel 100 kilometres, twice the mileage of passenger cars in its class.

Oh! Wait! No they dont.

Remster

[billvon 3,070]

>You're supposed to drink the alcohol.

That sort of alcohol smells funny. With Fat Tire on tap at the Bomb Shelter, Alesmith Brewing less than two miles from my house, and Lost Abbey Brewing on the way to Perris - anything else is getting to be a tough sell! Especially stuff that smells vaguely like gasoline and WD-40.

[Remster 30]

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When will you be incorporating all of these recommendations into your personal transportation lifestlye?

I only drive to work twice a week in the car. I ride the motrocycle (45mpg) once or twice, and a bicycle (80 cal p m) once or twice a week.

We only have 1 car in our household. It gets 34 mpg.

Remster

[squarecanopy 0]

TO hell with the environment. I want to jump out of fossil fuel burning aircraft! And drive my gas guzzling pickup. And my 300 hp MerCruiser I/O ski boat.
Seriously, when Mother Nature quits screwing up the ozone layer with volcanic eruptions, and trashing our coastal cities with hurricanes and tsunamis, I will get on the band wagon and start trying to have an effect on this planet. Until then I will do my best not to abuse my environment, with a logical level of deference to the realities of our modern existence. Nature has far more power to change our environment than all of us put together have to reverse those changes or make changes of our own on any grand scale. Unless.... we all agree to follow Ted Turner's plan to reduce the population of the world to a max of 700,000 people and go back to an agrarian structure sans use of fossil fuels. 6 billion of us will have to commit suicide to implement this plan and stop mankind's impact on this planet. Any volunteers?

Just burning a hole in the sky.....

[billvon 3,070]

>6 billion of us will have to commit suicide to implement this plan and stop
>mankind's impact on this planet.

Having fewer kids is generally preferable to suicide - and has the same effect in the long run.

[azdiver 0]

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TO hell with the environment. I want to jump out of fossil fuel burning aircraft! And drive my gas guzzling pickup. And my 300 hp MerCruiser I/O ski boat.
Seriously, when Mother Nature quits screwing up the ozone layer with volcanic eruptions, and trashing our coastal cities with hurricanes and tsunamis, I will get on the band wagon and start trying to have an effect on this planet. Until then I will do my best not to abuse my environment, with a logical level of deference to the realities of our modern existence. Nature has far more power to change our environment than all of us put together have to reverse those changes or make changes of our own on any grand scale. Unless.... we all agree to follow Ted Turner's plan to reduce the population of the world to a max of 700,000 people and go back to an agrarian structure sans use of fossil fuels. 6 billion of us will have to commit suicide to implement this plan and stop mankind's impact on this planet. Any volunteers?

ill taste the koolaid after everyone else does.

light travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak

[champu 1]

I rarely drive these days, pretty much only to get to the dropzone. I'm within walking distance (<10 min by foot) of work and there's a Trader Joe's on the way home.

/edited to add: I should point out my choice of location and not to use my car during the week has less to do with hugging trees and more to do with detesting sitting in traffic.

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>Did you give up your cars, you question dodging hypocrite you!

Nope! I am still a Prius-driving, alcohol-burning, 100% hypocrite. At least on the weekends.

-- bill von
hypocrite extraordinaire

PRIUS Outdoes HUMMER In Environmental Damage

Dave

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