Made in Dubai

[Misternatural 0]

Today I walked into a regional lumber yard and noticed a new and entire line of construction fasteners branded with the lumber yard company logo which were manufactured and packaged in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

Questions;
What is the likelihood that these discount items are produced using the documented slave labor imported from impoverished islamic nations?

Are a portion of the proceeds from products made in Dubai and widely sold in the U.S. being used to fund "Terrorism"?

or, is this just an example of good globalization and free trade?

-and yes, I'm going to do a little more research, and get some feedback on this before I cancel my account with this lumber yard and call the media.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[bch7773 0]

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Today I walked into a regional lumber yard and noticed a new and entire line of construction fasteners branded with the lumber yard company logo which were manufactured and packaged in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

Questions;
What is the likelihood that these discount items are produced using the documented slave labor imported from impoverished islamic nations?


almost certainly made with cheap importated labor... a lot of indians and bangladeshians, etc.

Are a portion of the proceeds from products made in Dubai and widely sold in the U.S. being used to fund "Terrorism"?

probably not. Dubai is not a sponser of terrorism.

MB 3528, RB 1182

[Misternatural 0]

>probably not. Dubai is not a sponsor of terrorism.

Certainly Dubai's government may not be directly involved
however:

A 2004 report from the U.S. commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks found 11 Saudi hijackers had traveled to the United States via the airport in Dubai.


— Osama bin Laden's alleged financial manager, Mustafa Ahmed al-Hisawi, received a Dubai bank transfer of $15,000 two days before the Sept. 11 attacks and then left the UAE for Pakistan, where he was arrested in 2003.


— Marwan Al-Shehhi, a UAE citizen and one of the Sept. 11 hijackers, received $100,000 via the UAE. Another Sept. 11 hijacker, Fayez Banihammad, also was from the Emirates.


— About half the $250,000 spent on the Sept. 11 attacks was wired to Al Qaeda terrorists in the United States from Dubai banks, authorities said. Al Qaeda money in Dubai banks also has been linked to the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

-source, Fox news Feb 06

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[champu 1]

A lot of money from all over the middle east and surrounding areas goes through banks in Dubai, so none of that is all that surprising. I wouldn't consider it to be particularly incriminating either.

[Frenchy68 0]

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About half the $250,000 spent on the Sept. 11 attacks was wired to Al Qaeda terrorists in the United States from Dubai banks, authorities said. Al Qaeda money in Dubai banks also has been linked to the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

I say boycott Dubai AND the US, since money involved with the 9/11 events can be traced to banks in both countries.
I say buy Chinese. You know for sure the money won't go to AQ.
It is time to make a stand, people!

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[SpeedRacer 1]

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Today I walked into a regional lumber yard and noticed a new and entire line of construction fasteners branded with the lumber yard company logo which were manufactured and packaged in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

Questions;
What is the likelihood that these discount items are produced using the documented slave labor imported from impoverished islamic nations?

Are a portion of the proceeds from products made in Dubai and widely sold in the U.S. being used to fund "Terrorism"?

or, is this just an example of good globalization and free trade?

-and yes, I'm going to do a little more research, and get some feedback on this before I cancel my account with this lumber yard and call the media.

are some of the profits from petroleum products from Saudi Arabia & other countries being used to fund terrorism?

Speed Racer
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[virgin-burner 1]

lets take iran for an example: virtually no-one does any business with them (one peticula swiss bank does.. ). but the oil is taken gladly. how would a fundamentalist regime finance its aggressors? them be terrorists or whatever?

do the math..

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

[Misternatural 0]

howzit goin' man.

Don't get me started again on the oil riddle.
I am making biodiesel as fast as I can - but I still have some dino fuel vehicles to run so I guess I am still a contributor to the whole problem... but I'm working on it.

Anyway, I just want to make sure that I am not further unknowingly contributing to the mid east crisis or slave trade by buying other products from The United Arab Emirates.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[freethefly 6]

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lets take iran for an example: virtually no-one does any business with them (one peticula swiss bank does.. ). but the oil is taken gladly. how would a fundamentalist regime finance its aggressors? them be terrorists or whatever?

do the math..

You may want to do abit of research on that one.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/main595214.shtml

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Guest]

"Bombing hometowns I can
Watch it free from harm
United Arab Emirates
Still keep the gas in my car"

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[virgin-burner 1]

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lets take iran for an example: virtually no-one does any business with them (one peticula swiss bank does.. ). but the oil is taken gladly. how would a fundamentalist regime finance its aggressors? them be terrorists or whatever?

do the math..

You may want to do abit of research on that one.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/main595214.shtml

even worse, as its banned in switzerland to do so..

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

[Misternatural 0]

>"Bombing hometowns I can
Watch it free from harm
United Arab Emirates
Still keep the gas in my car"

true story, a lot of Americans also bitch about the war while driving around with a tank of Arabian dinofuel.


Biodiesel now = lower fuel prices later.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[grue 1]

"Oh noes! Teh Iranians are doing business with Western companies!"

So does anyone have any of this alleged evidence linking the Iranian government to terrorist attacks on civilians? Or is this more bullshit from Bush and his cronies so he can get people to become even more bigoted so he can just start nuking Muslims to fill his little fundamentalist heart with joy and no fear of people speaking out.

cavete terrae.

[rhys 0]

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Are a portion of the proceeds from products made in Dubai and widely sold in the U.S. being used to fund "Terrorism"?

That is a very ignorant and bullshit comment.

If you have ever been to Dubai you will find that they are very very good at busines there, that city is probably the most modern and impessive city in the world and just because believe in a different god to you, doesn't mean they want to kill you.

I only use Emirates airlines because they offer the best service and if they fuck up your flight for any reason (including weather) you will be put up in a hotel and tranfered to your destination free of charge.

(sarcasm) If I Buy something that is made in the USA does that mean a portion of the money goes into bombing the fuck out of a country and killing innocent civilans including elderly, woman and children/terrorism.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[funkcanna 0]

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"Oh noes! Teh Iranians are doing business with Western companies!"

So does anyone have any of this alleged evidence linking the Iranian government to terrorist attacks on civilians? Or is this more bullshit from Bush and his cronies so he can get people to become even more bigoted so he can just start nuking Muslims to fill his little fundamentalist heart with joy and no fear of people speaking out.

Well said.

I live in the UAE and the original posters comments regarding the slave labour could well be true. Alot of indians and bangladeshi's are here (as previously mentioned) but they are here because they earn more here than in their home country, which to me seems a fair deal - UAE get cheap labour and the workers get more money than they would at home doing a similar job.

Regarding the terrorism - this is one thing that really sickens me about westerners in general (I am British btw). Why is it that if something is from the middle east or any muslim majority area it gets linked to terrorism? Its been mentioned that money relating to 9/11 went through Dubai - so what? What about the US flying schools who taught the terrorists? It makes no difference! The terrorists are extremists and that is that. Christians have had extremists (quite possibly the worst in history) but nobody mentions that. Did anyone stop and brand Catholics terrorists because of the IRA? NO! Why Muslims? Im not muslim btw..

To know requires proof
To believe requires evidence
To have faith requires neither.
If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

[masterblaster72 0]

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"Bombing hometowns I can
Watch it free from harm
United Arab Emirates
Still keep the gas in my car"

mh
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"...Driving nowhere fast
Accelerate to pass
Now I’ve got time to kill at last
Keep the gas in my car
Let me go far
I’m driving nowhere fast
Accelerate to pass
Now I’ve got time to kill at last "

Kickass song -- HELMET rules!

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[juanesky 0]

Sure, it is all propaganda, they are not sending arms, weapons, efp's to Iraq or nowhere for that matter, nevermind that I saw a couple of detained Iranian farsi speaking officials over there...is all lies...the iranian government do not want to harm anyone.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Misternatural 0]

>That is a very ignorant and bullshit comment.

It is actually a question.

But yours is exactly the kind of feedback I am looking for- I want people to try and defend free trade between Muslim and Western states. The issue needs to be examined and discussed because consumers need to think a little more about the impact of products they buy and where they come from.

Free market capitalism is a system by which consumers vote in part for political policy with money. if the company(or country) they support with their purchase engages in human rights violations or philanthropy, then thats what the consumer is also supporting.


Yes in a way, now you're seeing it from the other side.
Thank you for your input.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[Misternatural 0]

< Alot of indians and bangladeshi's are here (as previously mentioned) but they are here because they earn more here than in their home country, which to me seems a fair deal - UAE get cheap labour and the workers get more money than they would at home doing a similar job.

I am more interested in how they are treated, And i gather that since they in effect have no choice but to work for a more wealthy nation which ships them in with no citizenship and no rights i can't imagine that their lives have much value. in fact one of the traits of mass slavery is that the workers are imported from a different country and of a different culture.

Now lets make that same comparison with Mexican migrant workers in the U.S- anything sound familiar?

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[grue 1]

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Sure, it is all propaganda, they are not sending arms, weapons, efp's to Iraq or nowhere for that matter, nevermind that I saw a couple of detained Iranian farsi speaking officials over there...is all lies...the iranian government do not want to harm anyone.

Read harder. I specifically said civilians.

The reason I said civilians is because if I were in Iran's position, you can bet your mom's anal virginity that I'd be helping my neighbour out against an aggressor too. Iran and Iraq weren't exactly friendly, but when your neighbour gets attacked without reason by a foreign power hell bent on crushing your country's government without provocation just because they don't like your government and religion, it's not a stretch to surmise that you might be next. Helping that neighbour raise as much hell as possible might make the foreign power think twice about picking on your country for no good reason, especially if you're more likely to put up a good fight.

You think if China suddenly invaded Canada the US wouldn't freak the hell out and help defend? This isn't much different, except that the US and Canada haven't recently been at war.

Do I condone Iran helping Iraq (if they even are…)? No… but I sure as fuck understand why they're doing it.

cavete terrae.

[rhys 0]

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>That is a very ignorant and bullshit comment.

It is actually a question.

I should have said "That is a very ignorant and bullshit question" sorry.

But the mindset behind the question is what the real source to the probelm is.

To think that a terrorist attack comes from nowhere without any sort of justification (justified or not) is bullshit. Attacks come from hate! that hate has been created from disrespect.

UAE is a wonderful country and I feel very safe there. I was there a couple of days ago on my way to Russia (also a very beautiful country with nice people, amazing architecture and a brand new Sky Venture tunnel but not without its problems) I will be staying a few nights in UAE on the way home. I hope to go snowboarding in thier indoor ski park

Peace out!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[juanesky 0]

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"Oh noes! Teh Iranians are doing business with Western companies!"

So does anyone have any of this alleged evidence linking the Iranian government to terrorist attacks on civilians? Or is this more bullshit from Bush and his cronies so he can get people to become even more bigoted so he can just start nuking Muslims to fill his little fundamentalist heart with joy and no fear of people speaking out.

Hmm, so you think the people, arms and bomb they send in Iraq don't kill civilians? I have 5 Iraqi friends that would say otherwise, that have family killed (all civilians) by either Iran Govt officials, or related arms-bombs used. So I guess you should be the one who should read better your question better.

And we are far from nuking people down there, we go great lengths and risk a lot of danger to capture the cowarx who are bent in actually killing civilians over there.

Of course, I believe that the chairborne rangers will know better, because they are able to get the "facts" through TV, and the internet.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[grue 1]

So where's your actual evidence of Iranian state-sponsored attacks on Iraqi civilians? Do your 5 alleged friends have any actual proof that they had family killed by "Iran govt officials"?

I didn't say we're nuking them. I said the fundamentalist that runs the US would probably like to do so. Yeah, we're going to great lengths and risks to clean up the mess WE made. If we hadn't stuck our nose where it doesn't belong, this wouldn't be on us to clean up. We made the bed, now we're sleeping in it. That's what being an aggressive self righteous wannabe world cop gets you.

cavete terrae.

[Misternatural 0]

I'm not letting you go that easy,- hate on both sides comes from a lack of understanding, in this case xenophobia.

Our different cultures need to have more discussions like this to understand each other.


As far as Dubai having clean hands in the matter of terrorism

I still think that they tend to look the other way- unless you can prove otherwise. And why should they give a shit if Americans get killed in a terrorist act -we are after all infidels.

Granted we don't live in a perfect world where everyone is happy, people aren't killed for no good reason and no creature suffers.
But its getting better over the long run, and will continue to get better, World wide even- China is starting to join in.

Im not saying that the western brand of free market capitalism is the best way to improve the lives of everyone, but it seems to be getting more popular in Muslim countries like the UAE,as you say; it's a shining example of economic progress.

Muslims are beginning to understand the west and vice versa.

It could be the same way in Iran or even Iraq someday.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[Frenchy68 0]

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And why should they give a shit if Americans get killed in a terrorist act -we are after all infidels.

I think we tend to make ourselves more important than we actually are. If most UAE residents don't give a shit if Americans (or Serbians, Luxembourgeois or Andorrians for that matter) get kiiled is because they are... not UAE peeps.
If someone from the UAE gets killed most anywhere around the world, I doubt the average American (or Serbian, blahblahblah...) really gives a shit. Not because the poor UAE dude is a "fidel", but because he ain't no American (or .....).

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."