"Inventing New Lies About Terrorism" (Strategy Page)

[freethefly 6]

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Most kept their noses clean and did not try and topple the government. They had no problem with Saddam.

Especially the Kurds and the Shiites.

Not very long ago white america had a problem with blacks (many still do). Police would routinely beat on them for sport in some parts of the USA. Now many Americans are enraged with hatred for Mexicans.

As for the Kurds, the U.S. is just as responsible for what happened to them. The Kurds feel it to be true.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~kurdistan1/17-1-04-opinion-naqishabandi-us-must-stop-meddling.html
As for the Shiites, they seem to be the same as the Sunnis as they each want ultimate control over the other.
They will never get along. They are to deep in their beliefs.
Interesting comparrison;
http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia.htm

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Most kept their noses clean and did not try and topple the government. They had no problem with Saddam.

Especially the Kurds and the Shiites.

Not very long ago white america had a problem with blacks (many still do). Police would routinely beat on them for sport in some parts of the USA. Now many Americans are enraged with hatred for Mexicans.

As for the Kurds, the U.S. is just as responsible for what happened to them. The Kurds feel it to be true.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~kurdistan1/17-1-04-opinion-naqishabandi-us-must-stop-meddling.html
As for the Shiites, they seem to be the same as the Sunnis as they each want ultimate control over the other.
They will never get along. They are to deep in their beliefs.
Interesting comparrison;
http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia.htm

How does this support your claim that they had no problem with Saddam?

[normiss 806]

We never gased entire black cities.
If you are to hold us responsible for the Kurds, stop bitching about us coming into other countries and kicking ass.

[freethefly 6]

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We never gased entire black cities.
If you are to hold us responsible for the Kurds, stop bitching about us coming into other countries and kicking ass.

Whose ass exactly are we kicking, other than our own?
As for gassing blacks. No. Many were satisfied with just hanging them from the nearest tree or chaining them to the back of a truck for a good old dragging. That ought teach em!
America is a boiling pot of backroom bigotry. Say one thing up front and another out back. LBJ was very good at doing that. He often refered to blacks as "nigger". He was a true hypocrit as well as a racist.
A good number of blacks are just as guilty. I can only imagine what Jesse Jackson really believes.

As for the Kurds being gassed? One should look at Dupont as well as the very government that turned its eyes the other way.
The U.S. supported Saddam. The U.S. gave the Iraqis the Iranian troop positions so that they could gas them.
Don Rumsfeld was all to happy to shake hands with Saddam.
America will turn its back on anything as long as the monsters do as its master ask it to do.
When the monster balks, the master attacks.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[kelpdiver 2]

Man, a fact checker would have a heart attack with this thread. This probably has the highest bullshit ratio ever for SC, coming from everyone.

I'd point out a few, but that would take all day, so I'm just going to vaguely mock you all for your shoveling. Maybe a plea to look up the word hyperbole and realize it doesn't work well.

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[kallend 2,032]

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I keep HEARING libs talking about how great things were in Iraq when Hussein was in charge...but somehow, that's all they can say - they can't ever come up with specifics.

No-one says they were great. A whole lot of things were better before the US and UK messed the place up, though. We've just created a different set of criteria for inflicting misery.

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[kallend 2,032]

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Man, a fact checker would have a heart attack with this thread. This probably has the highest bullshit ratio ever for SC, coming from everyone.

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We can start with the title: the Strategy Page is the site that reckoned Iran (whose nuke program strikes terror into the Bush White House), doesn't have the technology to make sniper rifles.

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Meh, it's all a matter of priorities.

They can't keep their F14s flying either, and it isn't because of a lack of spare parts.

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[mnealtx 0]

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I am not a liberal but a realest.

Also someone already mentions Electricity, schools, jobs, no car bombs, thousands of people dead who were alive, an infrastructure, jobs, no war all those things were good things that are no longer there.

Is that a good enough list?

With all that info, it should be easy to find QUANTIFIABLE proof that things were so much better... I guess those studies by the UN and others that show that the country was falling apart around Hussein were more propaganda.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[airkid 0]

is this michael moore's next movie topic?

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is this michael moore's next movie topic?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I keep HEARING libs talking about how great things were in Iraq when Hussein was in charge...but somehow, that's all they can say - they can't ever come up with specifics.

No-one says they were great.

Really? Did you miss freethefly's "Pretty much the same as here in the U.S."?

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I keep HEARING libs talking about how great things were in Iraq when Hussein was in charge...but somehow, that's all they can say - they can't ever come up with specifics.

No-one says they were great.

Really? Did you miss freethefly's "Pretty much the same as here in the U.S."?

I was under the impression he referred to the quite recent era of lynchings, draggings, and sitting in the back of the bus.

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Man, a fact checker would have a heart attack with this thread. This probably has the highest bullshit ratio ever for SC, coming from everyone.

I'd point out a few, but that would take all day, so I'm just going to vaguely mock you all for your shoveling. Maybe a plea to look up the word hyperbole and realize it doesn't work well.

I hadn't heard about the chemicals but we did sell him some helicopters for "agricultural" use. He was our buddy until about 2 years after he gassed the Kurds. Then we really got mad about him gassing them 14 years later.

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I keep HEARING libs talking about how great things were in Iraq when Hussein was in charge...but somehow, that's all they can say - they can't ever come up with specifics.

No-one says they were great.

Really? Did you miss freethefly's "Pretty much the same as here in the U.S."?

I was under the impression he referred to the quite recent era of lynchings, draggings, and sitting in the back of the bus.

He did... in response to another matter. Nice sidetrack. Referring to it as a "quite recent era" was a nice touch, too.

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I keep HEARING libs talking about how great things were in Iraq when Hussein was in charge...but somehow, that's all they can say - they can't ever come up with specifics.

No-one says they were great.

Really? Did you miss freethefly's "Pretty much the same as here in the U.S."?

I was under the impression he referred to the quite recent era of lynchings, draggings, and sitting in the back of the bus.

He did... in response to another matter. Nice sidetrack. Referring to it as a "quite recent era" was a nice touch, too.

SSDD

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Nice sidetrack. Referring to it as a "quite recent era" was a nice touch, too.

Nice dodge... I guess 1998 is ancient history to you..

http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/06/dragging.death.02/index.html

Investigators believe that Byrd, 49, accepted a ride from the suspects as he walked home from a niece's bridal shower. But police believe that instead of taking him home, the men drove Byrd to a wooded area, beat him, chained him behind Berry's truck and sped down a bumpy road just east of town.

Byrd's severed head, neck and right arm were discovered about a mile from where his shredded torso was dumped. A trail of blood, body parts and personal effects stretched for two miles, police said

You might go look up Rosewood FL too.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood,_Florida


I remember the Whites only signs.. and blacks riding the back of the bus in FL in the 60's

Not all that long ago.

[freethefly 6]

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I keep HEARING libs talking about how great things were in Iraq when Hussein was in charge...but somehow, that's all they can say - they can't ever come up with specifics.

No-one says they were great.

Really? Did you miss freethefly's "Pretty much the same as here in the U.S."?

I was under the impression he referred to the quite recent era of lynchings, draggings, and sitting in the back of the bus.

He did... in response to another matter. Nice sidetrack. Referring to it as a "quite recent era" was a nice touch, too.

SSDD

Actually, I used it in two different contextes.
Yet, I never said that Iraq was a great place to live under Saddam. My referra to being the same as the U.S. (or any other country) is that if you keep your nose out trouble, do not try and topple the government, don't break the laws of the country, chance is far better that you will live to an old age outside of a prison wall.
I, also, referred to the recent era (and yes, that era is recent) when it was routine for the police to drag black people from their homes and beat them for sport, allow lynch mobs to hang them, chain them to trucks and drag them, to protect members of the KKK (I hate that these people took a proud flag that my ancestors fought under and turned it into a racist symbol in the 60's. Up untill then the KKK only used the American flag), constantly deny that it was even happening. Not much different than what Saddams people were doing.
If our government continues to whittle away our rights, we will eventually fall under military rule. It may be a long slide but, it will eventually happen. As it is now we are closer to complete Federal rule than we have ever been since the civil war. A government that rules every aspect of your life is a dictorial government and is a dangerous government.
La Confederación se Levantará Otra Vez
VIVE DE LARGO LA CONFEDERACION!
My flag has stars and bars!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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I love how people trot out isolated incidents to imply a wider problem.

Byrd's torture and death was roundly condemned. Anyone who thinks it's indicative race relations in this country is a moron.

The burning of Rosewood was 85 years ago. The phrase "quite recent era" doesn't really apply.

[Amazon 7]

ITsa ok... I dont mind you apologizing for such "quaint traditions" the truth is.. incidents of racial discrimination and abuse are still going on...


BUt with the way things are going.... I think that right wing death squads.... are not all that far off in a country that fears those who are different.

[freethefly 6]

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ITsa ok... I dont mind you apologizing for such "quaint traditions" the truth is.. incidents of racial discrimination and abuse are still going on...


BUt with the way things are going.... I think that right wing death squads.... are not all that far off in a country that fears those who are different.

You are right.
There will come a day when the good people will eventually have enough of this federal rule and they will rise up to take back their rights.
States are losing their rights due to Federal blackmail.
The people are being watched with an ever hateful eye.
Oppression breeds aggression.
There will come a day when the values of the Confederacy will be seen as the answer to ending the oppressive Federal rule over individual states.
Give back state rights and allow the people to decide.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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States Rights???

Such blasphemy.

The Nannystate is here to save us.

Everyone knows that.

[freethefly 6]

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The Nannystate

Sounds like a new reality show on Fox

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[billvon 3,009]

>The Nannystate is here to save us. Everyone knows that.

Indeed. The politics of fear are, sadly, dominating political discourse, and are present to a much greater degree today than we've seen in the past, with the possible exception of the late 1950's. Today, any attack upon our rights is defensible lest the terrorists win and kill you in your sleep. This angle actually has a solid scientific basis; the connections from our emotional systems to our cognitive systems are quite strong, and emotion can easily overwhelm our capacity to reason. "Where fear is present, reason cannot be" to quite an ancient philosopher.

I think Eisenhower said it best: "Any who act as if freedom's defenses are to be found in suppression and suspicion and fear confess a doctrine that is alien to America." I think it's time we abandoned the politics of fear and return to a more reasoned approach to the serious (but not catastrophic) issues that confront us.