"Inventing New Lies About Terrorism" (Strategy Page)

[Darius11 12]

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A worthy sentiment, Bill, but it ignores the fact that the islamo-fascist whackos who are trying to kill us don't have reason in their lexicon, only blind hatred, madness, and bloody-mindedness that not only will not listen to reason, but left it behind centuries ago.

This could be a very good self-description for you.
You are not exactly listening to reason and every post you ever make is filled blind hatred for Muslims.

It is stupid to think that years of our presence, and influence not to mention all the bombing and killing we have done in the region has less effect on how the middle east feels about us, then are freedoms.

Simple logic my friend. You kill my kid I am going to hate you a lot more then if you watching the simple life or MTV

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rushmc 23]

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A worthy sentiment, Bill, but it ignores the fact that the islamo-fascist whackos who are trying to kill us don't have reason in their lexicon, only blind hatred, madness, and bloody-mindedness that not only will not listen to reason, but left it behind centuries ago.

This could be a very good self-description for you.
You are not exactly listening to reason and every post you ever make is filled blind hatred for Muslims.

It is stupid to think that years of our presence, and influence not to mention all the bombing and killing we have done in the region has less effect on how the middle east feels about us, then are freedoms.

Simple logic my friend. You kill my kid I am going to hate you a lot more then if you watching the simple life or MTV

I too have witnessed lack of logic and stupidity on this site. I have not however seen any coming from markharju.

Considering what is being said, taught and practiced by those he refers to, one would (if of open and logocal thought) take very seriouly the position and opinions he has stated

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Darius11 12]

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"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East. I think Reagan was right: we don't understand the irrationality of Middle-Eastern politics. So right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that's bigger than the Vatican, we're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us........
...I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback. When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the Shah, yes, there was blowback. The reaction to that was the taking of our hostages. And that persists. And if we ignore that, we ignore that at our own risk. If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem. They don't come here to attack us because we're rich and we're free. They come and they attack us because we're over there. I mean, what would we think if other foreign countries were doing that to us?"

You know it is so refreshing to see someone actually talk about a simple concept. Do on to others, as you want done to you. We argue here back and forth and it seems it always gets back to this. For some reason some people on here think this rule does not apply to us, and any mention of the horrible things we have done brands you a traitor.

What should happen to us for the horrible things we have done? Should we always be forgiven when we are unwanted guests.



You know what fuck all the questions just tell me this. What would we do if any of the countries in the Middle East had a base in the US? What would we do if there war ships of the shore in international waters 200 miles out of every major city in the US?


Why is so hard to understand that we are hated because of are actions.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

As a Muslim who spent half of his life in Iran and has heard how people are pissed that the us has war ship with guns pointing at there homes and schools I believe I might have a less manufactured view of how people in the region feel.

I have never heard anyone express hate for the American people but for the actions of the US government. As you can see in the other post simple logic. How would we react if someone treated us the way we treat them? Believe it or not it is that simple.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Royd 0]

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So we invaded Iraq to depose Saddam in order to reduce terrorism in Europe?

We should have taken him out the first time that we went in, but we didn't.

He could still be sitting up in one of his palaces today if he hadn't been such a megalomaniac. His ego wouldn't allow him to submit to wide open inspections, so he paid the price.

[idrankwhat 0]

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Considering what is being said, taught and practiced by those he refers to, one would (if of open and logocal thought) take very seriouly the position and opinions he has stated

http://www.saudiembassy.net/2004News/News/IslDetail.asp?cIndex=3785
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3059365.stm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/adi08.htm
http://www.islamfortoday.com/mat01.htm
"Hijacking Planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood constitute a form of injustice that can not be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts."
Shaykh Abdul Aziz al-Ashaikh, Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and Chairman of the Senior Ulama, on September 15th, 2001

"The terrorists acts, from the perspective of Islamic law, constitute the crime of hirabah (waging war against society)."
September 27, 2001 - Fatwa, signed by:
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Grand Islamic Scholar and Chairman of the Sunna and Sira Countil, Qatar
Judge Tariq al-Bishri, First Deputy President of the Council d'etat, Egypt
Dr. Muhammad s. al-Awa, Professor of Islamic Law and Shari'a, Egypt
Dr. Haytham al-Khayyat, Islamic scholar, Syria
Fahmi Houaydi, Islamic scholar, Syria
Shaykh Taha Jabir al-Alwani, Chairman, North America High Council

"Neither the law of Islam nor its ethical system justify such a crime."
Zaki Badawi, Principal of the Muslim College in London. Cited in Arab News, September 28, 2001.

"It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to praise those who kill innocent people."
Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan. Cited in the New York Times, September 28, 2001.

"What these people stand for is completely against all the principles that Arab Muslims believe in."
King Abdullah II, of Jordan; cited in the Middle East Times, September 28, 2001.

[freethefly 6]

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Thankfully we have a leader that continues to do the right thing despite the media, the left and the polls

Now, would that be the guy on the left or the right in the picture?

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[idrankwhat 0]

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His ego wouldn't allow him to submit to wide open inspections,...

Yes it did. Sorry.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDQ/is_2002_Dec_9/ai_95100420/pg_1

[freethefly 6]

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who are trying to kill us don't have reason in their lexicon, only blind hatred, madness, and bloody-mindedness that not only will not listen to reason,

And that is exactly what the government told us about those godless Russians! The Russians are coming!, The Russians are coming!, The Russians are coming!
Chain of events since 9-11.
U.S, attacks the Taliban in Afghanistan for harboring Osama Bin Laden.
U.S. goes full bore then hands the job over to tribal warlords.
Bin Laden escapes
U.S. invades Iraq claiming that Saddam was on the verge of attacking U.S. soil with weapons of mass destruction.
Bin Laden is a happy man
U.S. goes full bore into Iraq
Binny kicks back and laughs is ass off (it was reported that surgeons in Pakistan reattached it promptly. Musharraf sends a get well soon gift).
Bush administration claims "Mission Complete" shortly after the invasion.
Doctors in Pakistan sedate Bin Laden to keep him from laughing newly attached ass off.
Poppy farms and herion production goes into full swing in Afghanistan.
Bin Laden relaxing comfortably in a safe place.
U.S. stuck in a quagmire.
Bin Laden able to use Iraq to recruit more for his cause.
Many Americans and innocent Iraqis now dead with many more deaths to come.
Bin Ladens ideology spreads
U.S. all but ignores the growing turmoil in Afghanistan.
The American people have had enough.
Presidents approval rating at 28%
80% of the Iraqi people want the U.S. out
President ignores logic and reason
Bin Laden is one happy man

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[kelpdiver 2]

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I have never heard anyone express hate for the American people but for the actions of the US government. As you can see in the other post simple logic. How would we react if someone treated us the way we treat them? Believe it or not it is that simple.

The actions suggest otherwise.

Who gets kidnapped and beheaded? US government officials? I don't think reporters come close to that category.

[SpeedRacer 1]

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I have never heard anyone express hate for the American people but for the actions of the US government. As you can see in the other post simple logic. How would we react if someone treated us the way we treat them? Believe it or not it is that simple.

The actions suggest otherwise.

Who gets kidnapped and beheaded? US government officials? I don't think reporters come close to that category.

and how would these people get their hands on US government officials?

They're all safely back in DC. They make other people go out into the field to do their dirty work.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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I have never heard anyone express hate for the American people but for the actions of the US government. As you can see in the other post simple logic. How would we react if someone treated us the way we treat them? Believe it or not it is that simple.

The actions suggest otherwise.

Who gets kidnapped and beheaded? US government officials? I don't think reporters come close to that category.

and how would these people get their hands on US government officials?

They're all safely back in DC. They make other people go out into the field to do their dirty work.

There's plenty of government officials in Iraq and elsewhere in the region. The difference is that they're harder to capture than unarmed reporters.

And if you want to claim that reporters are doing the work of the US - well the other side is going to help that situation by killing the reporters instead of talking to them.

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No matter, the reasons given for the other side's actions are an excuse, not a reason. Like WMDs. The leadership/power there needs the people to have an enemy besides the incredible wealth disparity and crappy living conditions. It's like Medevil Europe, where wars kept the number of inheriting sons in check.

[Darius11 12]

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I have never heard anyone express hate for the American people but for the actions of the US government. As you can see in the other post simple logic. How would we react if someone treated us the way we treat them? Believe it or not it is that simple.

The actions suggest otherwise.

Who gets kidnapped and beheaded? US government officials? I don't think reporters come close to that category.

If you like to use that logic then who rapes Iraqi girls and murders there family in front of them?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[kelpdiver 2]

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If you like to use that logic then who rapes Iraqi girls and murders there family in front of them?

I fail to see the relationship. Unless you got the Cheney memo that directs the soldiers to act accordingly.

[juanesky 0]

Yes, he has been in Iraq, he knows better. I am pretty sure he knows that Mahdi army, Sunnis, Iran intell officials, AlQaida, Baath party officials there are not killing, raping, beheading innocent civilians.

I have been in roads that, never mind. facts are not needed for this type of reasoning.
Neither the fact that most wrongdoing by any us service member will be brough to US justice is irrelevant, while people who are islamo facists and bent in killing innocents, will only get praised.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Skyrad 0]

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A worthy sentiment, Bill, but it ignores the fact that the islamo-fascist whackos who are trying to kill us don't have reason in their lexicon, only blind hatred, madness, and bloody-mindedness that not only will not listen to reason, but left it behind centuries ago.

This could be a very good self-description for you.
You are not exactly listening to reason and every post you ever make is filled blind hatred for Muslims.

It is stupid to think that years of our presence, and influence not to mention all the bombing and killing we have done in the region has less effect on how the middle east feels about us, then are freedoms.

Simple logic my friend. You kill my kid I am going to hate you a lot more then if you watching the simple life or MTV

Here here!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Darius11 12]

If you are going to concentrate on the worst and judge the majority from the actions of few it can work both ways. That’s all.

I don’t believe any president of a Muslim country praised the beheadings or gave a direct order to cut the reporter’s head off.
Some crazy extremist I am sure you can find that. That is just like how we can find some red necks who think we should kill all them towel heads.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rushmc 23]

Because in this case, you are wrong

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[juanesky 0]

Don't mind about facts, it is a lot easier hiding behind the mantra of "all muslims" cry out there, instead of verbalizing their disgust for what the extremists do in their name of religion, in places where women and children are just less than citizens.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[rushmc 23]

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Don't mind about facts, it is a lot easier hiding behind the mantra of "all muslims" cry out there, instead of verbalizing their disgust for what the extremists do in their name of religion, in places where women and children are just less than citizens.

All muslims???? I said that??? I don't think so. I have spoken of the radicals. Given a chance and some security the real muslims can and will take back thier religion. As is starting to happen in Iraq today.

So, in hind sight I think it is YOU that avoids the "facts" unles you are making up your own

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[juanesky 0]

I am also speaking about the radicals, but "other" people, neither you or I, prefer to view this as "hate all muslims" kind of deal. Instead of being disgusted of how few hijacked the Quran, with hatred towards the west. We will be always at fault. THere is no fault on their side.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[kallend 2,032]

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Because in this case, you are wrong

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html

I clicked on your link and got:

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Never before seen footage inside exclusive brothel in Reno

Truly fascinating stuff to be sure, but I'm not sure of the point you are making.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Because in this case, you are wrong

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html

I clicked on your link and got:

Return to Bunny Ranch
Never before seen footage inside exclusive brothel in Reno

Truly fascinating stuff to be sure, but I'm not sure of the point you are making.

Hmm, I smell poo

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Because in this case, you are wrong

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html

I clicked on your link and got:

Return to Bunny Ranch
Never before seen footage inside exclusive brothel in Reno

Truly fascinating stuff to be sure, but I'm not sure of the point you are making.

The link I provided was about the muslim kids being indoctronated. I do not know where the link you provided came from

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Here, I found it in the Fox archives

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?072707/072707_sr_crawford&Special_Report&Young%20Jihadists&acc&Politics&-1&News&145&&&new

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln