Drug Laws Based on Bias Research

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Pot may hike risk of psychosis, research finds

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In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class “B” category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences.

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Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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The reason the stuff was made illegal in the first place was because the cotton and plastics industry would make more money.

The term/name Marijuana was invented for the purpose becuse it would have been much harder to convince people that Hemp was a bad thing.

The first presidents of the united states were hemp farmers, the decleration of independance is written on hemp and the good old USA was bought up on the stuff. Heck christopher Columbus wouldn't even have been able to get there had it not been for hemp, yet all this is now written out of the history books?!?!

Oil and cotton is where it is at.

Have you ever seen the movie 'Reefer Madness'? that movie was made as part of the propagnda to make hemp illegal.

Prohibitition works pretty well huh!

Now the shit can be worth as much as gold and is much more desirable to kids going through thier rebellion stage.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Check out the propaganda machine at work over the years

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5472332679367311144&q=GRASS+THE+WAR+ON+DRUGS&total=37&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

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The reason the stuff was made illegal in the first place was because the cotton and plastics industry would make more money.

The term/name Marijuana was invented for the purpose becuse it would have been much harder to convince people that Hemp was a bad thing.

The first presidents of the united states were hemp farmers, the decleration of independance is written on hemp and the good old USA was bought up on the stuff. Heck christopher Columbus wouldn't even have been able to get there had it not been for hemp, yet all this is now written out of the history books?!?!

Oil and cotton is where it is at.

Have you ever seen the movie 'Reefer Madness'? that movie was made as part of the propagnda to make hemp illegal.

Prohibitition works pretty well huh!

Now the shit can be worth as much as gold and is much more desirable to kids going through thier rebellion stage.

I'm pretty sure industrial hemp, which has very little THC, is what was commercially produced throughout the 1700 and 1800s. It's not really the same stuff as Marijuana.

The leading cause for it being outlawed had to do with its recreational use, not it's industrial one. It's recreational use gained prominence following the influx of Mexicans, in the early 1900s.

Reefer Madness? It's a classic.

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Have you ever seen the movie 'Reefer Madness'? that movie was made as part of the propagnda to make hemp illegal.

They showed us that in High School. Besides being laughable, it made me want to try it.

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The leading cause for it being outlawed had to do with its recreational use, not it's industrial one. It's recreational use gained prominence following the influx of Mexicans, in the early 1900s.

El Paso Texas passed the first m.j. law to try and curb Mexican migration.
Harry Anslinger with the help of Randolph Hearst wage a propaganda campaign against m.j.. Their lies still are being told today.
Henery Ford designed the first Model T to run on hemp fuel.
http://www.hempcar.org/ford.shtml
It is also believed that Henery liked to smoke as well.
The founding fathers had many uses for the weed they were growing besides industrial.
Many medicines, up untill the Stamp Tax Act, were derived from marijuana.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/taxact/mjtaxact.htm
The A.M.A. had but a few seconds to refute Anslinger and were all but ignored. Anslinger convinced the board that marijuana was the main cause for insanity, murder, rape and eventually death.
Anslinger was a diehard prohibitionist.
In later years he was able to concinve the congress that marijuana was also responsible for communism.

If marijuana was as dangerous as the feds say it is, I wonder, where are all of the crazy people, rape victims, murder victims and dead people from the marijuana overdoses?
Hard to believe that some are still so guilable to buy into the propaganda.

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Have you ever seen the movie 'Reefer Madness'? that movie was made as part of the propagnda to make hemp illegal.

They showed us that in High School. Besides being laughable, it made me want to try it.

You just couldn't stop laughing? And snacking?

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If marijuana was as dangerous as the feds say it is, I wonder, where are all of the crazy people, rape victims, murder victims and dead people from the marijuana overdoses?
Hard to believe that some are still so guilable to buy into the propaganda.

Nixon commissioned scientists to do a study and said he'd wait for their recomendations. They found "The commission recommends that the private use or the private possession in ones own home should not have the stigma of criminalization." He chucked that report out the window.

Laguardia commissioned scientists to do the same thing and they came to the same conclusion. Anslinger didnt't appreciate that. He got the tax stamp act passed so no one could get access to pot then no one could study it legally. Fear must be maintained.

Theres plenty of clips of Anslinger spouting disinformation in the video link I posted earlier.

Anslinger didn't really start on pot till after Hearst started in with his special brand of journalisim

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I'm pretty sure industrial hemp, which has very little THC, is what was commercially produced throughout the 1700 and 1800s. It's not really the same stuff as Marijuana.

Industrial hemp has been bred to have strong fibres, Cannabis has been bred to have a high THC content.

The origins of both types are the same.

If you grow some weed and let it go to seed and grow as tall as possible you will have some pretty weak ass shit. if you pull all the male plants and keep omly the females you will have some "good shit'

Cannibis is cannibis.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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the liquor companies had a significant role in the stamp act as well because of prohibition weed use had risen as an alternative to illegal alcohol after it ended the users of weed continued to use it instead of alcohol. this was saw as competition and the industry didn't like it and backed making it illegal.

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All I can say about this is 30 yrs ago I thought that our country would have overcame their stupidity about pot by now. When is our government going to pull their reluctant heads out of their fat asses and decriminilize weed. You would have thought now that our generation is pretty much in power that this war on reefer would have been over by now. This is not to say that all recreational drugs should be legal. I don't feel that way at all, but it's time to stop busting people and filling our jails and prisons with pot smokers and make room for the criminals that should be there.

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You would have thought now that our generation is pretty much in power that this war on reefer would have been over by now.

No way man, remember Billy tried it but didn't like it, AND he didn't inhale! In other words those old hippies that were all "down with da man" and "free love" and all that shit, sold out and became "Da Man" and them and their country club buddys are making a killing off keeping it illeagal.

And now they can take your house and car and take all your bread too for even one plant on your property all while snort'n tons of blow up at the white house, that's why they call it the "white house" well that and the fact that the only black dude there is holding a lantern on the front lawn!

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Well...I just recently moved to California and to my suprise I found that weed is legal here. First you have to see a doctor and they will give you the appropriate paperwork to become part of the "cannabis club" Apparently all you have to say is that you have headaches and insomnia and you're in. Once you have your cannabis club card, you can legally buy weed from specific people that the government pays to sell it out of their house. They even have all these "new" ways to get high. They do this thing called vaporizing where the weed literally dissapears before your eyes and you inhale the vapor. I've heard that this weed is the stongest stuff ever and vaporizing really knocks you on your ass. They also have a weed pill for those that don't like to smoke or vaporize. My first thought was..."damn, my dream finally came true...too bad I quit."



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I've never even used alcohol, but I think laws against people putting things in their own body are fucking ridiculous. If someone wants to mix coke, heroin, weed, and PCP in the privacy of his own home, the government really has no place to say they can't. Ban it in public, and no driving under the influence, but who fucking cares if it's not affecting us?

I'm sure someone is going to bring out the "But but but they commit criiiimes" argument, and that's fucking stupid. Do you see people robbing old ladies to buy tobacco or alcohol? The reason the shit is so expensive is because it's illegal. Make it legal, the prices will drop, and it can be taxed. It's win/win.

cavete terrae.

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The "legal" weed in California is still not so legal:

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July 26, 2007

Federal Drug Enforcement Administration agents raided 10 medical marijuana clinics in Los Angles County just as Los Angeles city leaders backed a measure calling for an end to the federal government’s crackdown on the dispensaries. Federal officials made five arrests and seized large quantities of marijuana and cash after serving clinics with search warrants, said a spokeswoman, Sarah Pullen. Ms. Pullen refused to disclose other details. The raid, the agency’s second largest on marijuana dispensaries, came the same day the Los Angeles City Council introduced an interim ordinance calling on federal authorities to stop singling out marijuana clinics allowed under state law.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/us/26brfs-RAIDSONMARIJ_BRF.html)

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The researchers said they couldn’t prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.

There could be something else about marijuana users, “like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses,” Zammit said.

So they haven't proven much of anything yet.

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They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low.

I'd be curious to know if they took into account how much alcohol and other drugs these people used as well, and whether they were predisposed to mental illness in any way.

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For example, Zammit said the risk of developing schizophrenia for most people is less than 1 percent. The prevalence of schizophrenia is believed to be about five in 1,000 people. But because of the drug’s wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.

(Emphasis mine) That's a pretty bold statement to make without any proof to back it up.

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Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.

Probably a good thing to rule out before coming to serious conclusions.

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Some experts say governments should now work to dispel the misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.

I don't think most people believe that marijuana is a benign drug. It's not. Alcohol and tobacco are not benign drugs either, but they're both legal. People should know the dangers of using marijuana, and they should be allowed to make their own choices about whether to use it.

But it doesn't sound like these particular researchers are doing much to show the actual dangers of marijuana use, or even to help the public in any way (unless they think that crazy scare tactics somehow help the public). It sounds like they're just helping the government to put more marijuana users in jail.

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This propaganda made the local news ... will the people buy it hook, line, and sinker? Probably.

PS: This particular issue is not just about drugs. It is about laws (enforced on the people), news (distributed to the people), etc... based on biased (and inadequate) research. It is about propaganda.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I've never even used alcohol, but I think laws against people putting things in their own body are fucking ridiculous. If someone wants to mix coke, heroin, weed, and PCP in the privacy of his own home, the government really has no place to say they can't. Ban it in public, and no driving under the influence, but who fucking cares if it's not affecting us?

I'm sure someone is going to bring out the "But but but they commit criiiimes" argument, and that's fucking stupid. Do you see people robbing old ladies to buy tobacco or alcohol? The reason the shit is so expensive is because it's illegal. Make it legal, the prices will drop, and it can be taxed. It's win/win.

These displays of looking outside of the box are remarkable.

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i mean, who doesnt like a good puff every now and then..

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