Business is War

[happythoughts 0]

We've all heard it.

What are the goals of war?

Seizing the assets of the country?
Cultural assimilation or replacement?

Can't that all be done more effectively using economic tools? Just buy what you want.

The old school thought was that you brought the assets back to your country and enriched individuals.
Now that assets are supra-national. The takeovers are done by multi-national corporations which are unconcerned about the economic health of one country.

Actual war is becoming such a poor technique.

[Stumpy 284]

Ah but war is also big business, and the leaders of that big business are very keen not to go bust.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[SpeedRacer 1]

my uncle thinks it goes much earlier than all that stuff about business.

He believes that war is a very ancient tradition that ultimately removes "extraneous males."

Think about it. It is always the rich that have something to gain from war. Eliminating poor, under-educated men by filling their heads full of patriotic crap gets rid of a whole lot of competition for nubile females.

Speed Racer
--------------------------------------------------

[Guest]

Quote

my uncle thinks it goes much earlier than all that stuff about business.

He believes that war is a very ancient tradition that ultimately removes "extraneous males."

Think about it. It is always the rich that have something to gain from war. Eliminating poor, under-educated men by filling their heads full of patriotic crap gets rid of a whole lot of competition for nubile females.

It also gives all that excess testosterone something useful to do by directing it outwards.

Please see the Strategy Page for more in-depth analysis of this philosophy.

mh
.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[nanook 1]

Quote

Now that assets are supra-national. The takeovers are done by multi-national corporations which are unconcerned about the economic health of one country.

actually, this reality has been in effect for a couple hundreds years. It's just faster now with the internet. IN fact, concerning the Hemp argument in another thread, it was the supra-national competition that helped with the doom of hemp vs. competition that helped it's illegality much easier.

War is buisness. An economic sanction will make a country weak. An economic attack is extremely destructive. After all, Love may make a community, but money creates the "electromagnetism" that makes a community work. You create havoc there, you part the community, weaken it's ability to come together to produce. No creature comforts, no weapons for defense, no food. It's a tactic we have used since the begining of our country. England tried to use it on us with their blockades during the Revolutionary War.

Buisness is war. War is buisness. We will never transcend to using takeovers instead of troops. Buisness and economic attacks are as old as time. It's not a 20th century idea, its a pre B. C. concept.

_____________________________

"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

[Skyrad 0]

The UK makes approximatly £5 Billion a year in arms exports just from the Saudis.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

Do you have shares in Strategy Page?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[freethefly 6]

Quote

It is always the rich that have something to gain from war

Take the profit out of war. Make it a crime for weapons companies to turn a profit. They are death merchants and nothing more.
Further more, keep the military out of the public schools. Stop recruiting kids to use as tools.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[mnealtx 0]

Quote

Quote

It is always the rich that have something to gain from war

Take the profit out of war. Make it a crime for weapons companies to turn a profit. They are death merchants and nothing more.
Further more, keep the military out of the public schools. Stop recruiting kids to use as tools.

That's a slippery slope you probably don't want to start down...especially seeing as how they are adults and volunteers who signed a contract. If you're going to block the military from the schools, then you have to block all the rest, as well.

If you TRULY think wars are started solely for profits to weapons company, you might want to re-examine your worldview - there's a definite skew going on, there.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[freethefly 6]

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/41083/
It only takes a few keystrokes to research how deeply related war and profits are. Weapons merchants need war in order to turn a profit.

Quote

That's a slippery slope you probably don't want to start down...especially seeing as how they are adults and volunteers who signed a contract. If you're going to block the military from the schools, then you have to block all the rest, as well.

So, they are responsible for their own choice at age 18? Then it is their own fucking fault when they get their 18 year old bodies blown to hell. Millitary recruiters have no business in the high schools looking for kids to send to their deaths so that they can fill their quotas. The age for war should be 21 and above.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[happythoughts 0]

Quote

Think about it. It is always the rich that have something to gain from war. Eliminating poor, under-educated men by filling their heads full of patriotic crap gets rid of a whole lot of competition for nubile females.

Realistically, that this theory needs a little examination.

When did the rich have any trouble getting laid?
As far as I can remember... never.

I can't number the women that walked up to my buddy's Alpha, but wouldn't look at my Chevy.
They just walked up and said, "Gee... nice car..."

For the really rich, the middle class is just a wading pool of opportunity.

Pretty Woman was just a movie. A millionaire that looks like Richard Gere can get dates.

[nanook 1]

Quote

Take the profit out of war. Make it a crime for weapons companies to turn a profit. They are death merchants and nothing more.

Question is, who will build the weapons if no companys will build them, the government? Virtually all companies that build weapons also build civillian products. If boeing, nassco, MD, Intel, Dell, Microsoft, Lockheed, General Motors, Cummins, CAT, Cisco, Colt, Mossberg, Smith and Wesson, U. S Steel, chevrolet, Peterbilt, ect. ect. all stop making a profit, the U. S. economy would be much worse a depression than the Great Depression.

_____________________________

"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

[freethefly 6]

Quote

If you TRULY think wars are started solely for profits to weapons company, you might want to re-examine your worldview - there's a definite skew going on, there.

Well, I never stated that wars are started solely for the weapons industry to profit. I said take the profit out of war. Do not allow for corporations to boost profits during war. Why should corporation be allowed to raise their quarterly earnings from weapons sales while someones child is dying due to the use of those weapons? Maybe the families of the dead should be allowed to sue said companies?
If the companies are not there for the profit, then maybe they are willing to do it at cost? If that were the case, not one single company would be there. Arms corporations exist solely to provide weapons and to profit from those weapons.
I was under the impression that war profiteering was a crime.

Eisenhower:
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed," proclaimed former U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower. "The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children... This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/WarOnTerror/Disorder.asp

So, I wonder, who stands to profit in the $20 billion arms deal with the Saudis?

Peace is bad business when your business is to sell bombs to people who wish to use them on others.

This was written in 1997 but, is a good article and does relate even today. It deals with arms corporations "double dipping".
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JQP/is_294/ai_30000848

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[freethefly 6]

Quote

Quote

Take the profit out of war. Make it a crime for weapons companies to turn a profit. They are death merchants and nothing more.

Question is, who will build the weapons if no companys will build them, the government? Virtually all companies that build weapons also build civillian products. If boeing, nassco, MD, Intel, Dell, Microsoft, Lockheed, General Motors, Cummins, CAT, Cisco, Colt, Mossberg, Smith and Wesson, U. S Steel, chevrolet, Peterbilt, ect. ect. all stop making a profit, the U. S. economy would be much worse a depression than the Great Depression.

All of the companies you have listed can do just fine without building weapons. Why not focus on products that help people instead of products that are designed for one thing only - killing huge numbers of people.

Some in the humanrace, it seems, has not advanced one single inch since the days of the first humans throwing rocks at each other. The only thing they have learned to do is find more lethal ways to kill us. They are the most vile of the vile. They are sub-human. They pray for war. Without it, they are all out of a job.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[happythoughts 0]

I think that, at a certain level, it is all about theft.
An escalation.

Like the guy who steals the fish from the others.
The victims get tired of it and band together for their own defense.

Then, the thief brings friends, so the group of victims get sharp sticks... and so on.

Either the thieves or the victims needs to give up.

In the US, the indigenous tribes finally realized that there were just too many Europeans with better technology.

Usually, only the winning side gets to write the history books and the winners are, unsurprisingly, painted as the "good guys".

In some places, people decided that the constant violence had made the business environment unworkable. This is usually decided after a few decades of senseless violence.

[airtaxi 0]

war is nothing more then stealing someones ese prpoerty with out paying for it and using other pepoles childeren to do the dirty work..

If we had pumped the amount of money in to there economy they would all be living in 10,000 sq ft homes with butlers and no one would have to die

but then we would know who was getting ritch off the war

War is BAD no one wins

[nanook 1]

Quote

Some in the humanrace, it seems, has not advanced one single inch since the days of the first humans throwing rocks at each other. The only thing they have learned to do is find more lethal ways to kill us. They are the most vile of the vile. They are sub-human. They pray for war. Without it, they are all out of a job.

A lot of the coporations don't just create weapons for us. We send out specifications of what we want and award to the lowest bidder. It's the military who wants the soldiers and sailors to do their jobs with the least amount of deaths on our part that pave the way to these weapons. R and D is way too expensive for some company just to spit out a product and say "hey, try this for size".

_____________________________

"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

[skydyvr 0]

Quote

If we had pumped the amount of money in to there economy they would all be living in 10,000 sq ft homes with butlers

Where would the butlers live? Would they have 10,000 sq ft homes with butlers also?

. . =(_8^(1)

[mnealtx 0]

Quote

Quote

If you TRULY think wars are started solely for profits to weapons company, you might want to re-examine your worldview - there's a definite skew going on, there.

Well, I never stated that wars are started solely for the weapons industry to profit. I said take the profit out of war. Do not allow for corporations to boost profits during war. Why should corporation be allowed to raise their quarterly earnings from weapons sales while someones child is dying due to the use of those weapons? Maybe the families of the dead should be allowed to sue said companies?
If the companies are not there for the profit, then maybe they are willing to do it at cost? If that were the case, not one single company would be there. Arms corporations exist solely to provide weapons and to profit from those weapons.
I was under the impression that war profiteering was a crime.

Eisenhower:
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed," proclaimed former U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower. "The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children... This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/WarOnTerror/Disorder.asp

So, I wonder, who stands to profit in the $20 billion arms deal with the Saudis?

Peace is bad business when your business is to sell bombs to people who wish to use them on others.

This was written in 1997 but, is a good article and does relate even today. It deals with arms corporations "double dipping".
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JQP/is_294/ai_30000848

As long as people are still killed by cars, automobile corporations should not be able to profit and the families of the slain should be able to sue said companies.

As long as people are still dying in hospitals, medical corporations should not be able to profit and the families of the slain should be able to sue said companies.

As long as people are still killed airline crashes, aviation corporations should not be able to profit and the families of the slain should be able to sue said companies.

Etc, etc etc...again, you're starting down a slippery slope with your pet project. If you open the door to one, you open the door to all.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

Quote

Quote

Quote

Take the profit out of war. Make it a crime for weapons companies to turn a profit. They are death merchants and nothing more.

Question is, who will build the weapons if no companys will build them, the government? Virtually all companies that build weapons also build civillian products. If boeing, nassco, MD, Intel, Dell, Microsoft, Lockheed, General Motors, Cummins, CAT, Cisco, Colt, Mossberg, Smith and Wesson, U. S Steel, chevrolet, Peterbilt, ect. ect. all stop making a profit, the U. S. economy would be much worse a depression than the Great Depression.

All of the companies you have listed can do just fine without building weapons. Why not focus on products that help people instead of products that are designed for one thing only - killing huge numbers of people.

Some in the humanrace, it seems, has not advanced one single inch since the days of the first humans throwing rocks at each other. The only thing they have learned to do is find more lethal ways to kill us. They are the most vile of the vile. They are sub-human. They pray for war. Without it, they are all out of a job.

Legislate away hate and you can get rid of all that - until then, you're arguing a moot point.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will spend their lives plowing for those who did not.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[freethefly 6]

Quote

As long as people are still killed by cars, automobile corporations should not be able to profit and the families of the slain should be able to sue said companies.

People who die in car accidents are not the same as those in which bombs were intentionally dropped on.

Quote

As long as people are still dying in hospitals, medical corporations should not be able to profit and the families of the slain should be able to sue said companies.

Doctors go into the operation room to save lives. If a person dies while the doctor does all that can be done to save that person it is understandable.
When armies intentionally drop bombs on people the intention is to kill everyone within the range of the weapon. Not understandable.

Quote

As long as people are still killed airline crashes, aviation corporations should not be able to profit and the families of the slain should be able to sue said companies.

We understand that mechanical failures happen and that planes will succumb to gravity when it can no longer sustain flight. Not the same as dropping bombs on villages in the hope of killing one person.
Collateral damage is not understandable.

If you are so hip-hip-hooray for war, why are you not on the frontline? Are you afraid that you may get a splinter or worst, your head scattered in the wind?
Take a good long look at the lucky guy in the picture. Are not the weapons we devised nice? Do they not give us such a great perspective? Do they not do such wonderful things. I would say that the dead would say other if they could only speak the words I am sure they would speak. I am happy that we have cameras that can speak for them. Do you need more reality? Or, are you happy believing otherwise? There is a place for those who live in fantasyville. It's called Disneyland.
Maybe, each day I will post a new picture of what these fucking weapons bring us. Would it bother you so much to see pictures of the dead? Or would you rather I post pictures of happy people living in Disneyland?

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[juanesky 0]

And the context of that Pic is? All dead are innocent?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[freethefly 6]

Quote

And the context of that Pic is? All dead are innocent?

It is what is left of an American.
It is what it is.
It is reality.
Not all who are dead, innocent.
Not all who are dead, guilty.
Most are the innocent whose deths are "collateral damage". Such an eloquent term to use to take the human factor from it all.
The reality is the "collateral damge" is the innocent.
Don't like the pictures?
Does it make you feel better about supporting atrocities when you do not have to face the truth and can hide behind such phrases as "collateral damage"?
I am glad that such photos are available. They should be broadcasted on the T.V. nightly. Every person should be required to know what reality looks like. Maybe then, war supporters will stop hiding behind magnetic ribbons on their cars.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[juanesky 0]

I think you should step off the keyboard pal. I am a medic recently back from Iraq. I have more pictures than you may have, most of them I have treated, sawed, helped in many ways to keep them alive, some where lost.

Most and this is the point you won't understand is your beloved militias targeting civilians.

It is not a pretty world out there, if you ever thought there was one.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon