Tancredo: Bomb Muslim holy sites first

[Frenchy68 0]

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An alternative to that would be to destroy one major religious site every time there is a terrorist Action. Each time make sure that it is a Larger and Larger Destruction. Make the "Good" Muslims understand that we will not tolerate being attacked by their riffraff.

In that same vein, should AQ attack, say, the US Capitol. Would you turn into GWB and tell him to get out of Iraq, as you fear AQ will keep destroying US sites? Doubtful. You will more likely rally behind the leader, and call for payback. Why non-US citizens wouldn't do the same? Muslim will rally behind whomever they see as standing up to the people destroying their sites. And such entity is not our friend...

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

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You are living in a fantasy world if you think any of the above is actually true.

You are right, But then we could atleast say we tried before we did what was truly needed to bring peace to the middle east. (Imagine Camels trying to walk on a solid sheet of Glass.)

Uh, ok.

So in your fantasy world pursuing a strategy that you know will make the enemy more likely to attack you is somehow "trying" to make peace?

Awesome.

If I shoot someone is it a valid defense that I've already punched them in the face a few times?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[philh 0]

"Once the law gets involved and either threatens the parents with a fine or jail time, the problem seems to solve itself. "

Your analogy doesnt work because in the case you site you are punishing those with some reposnsibility for the actions. Bombing Mecca would not do that. YOu would be punishing people who had no necessary link with the crime. Do you seriously think the Muslim world will accept that without becoming more and more symathetic with AQ? The war we face with extremists is a serious and dramatic issue which wil threaten many lives. But comapred to the global war, your suggestion might ignite its a tiny little skirmish. Just think WWII killed 60 million people , the number dead in this war on terror is only in the thousands , whilst those thousands are tragic its better than millions.

[billvon 3,009]

>then threatening the majority with serious punishment, if they don't rein
>in the bad boys, should work.

How many 9/11's would it take before you agreed to Al Qaeda's demands?

[juanesky 0]

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Darius11, I couldnt have said it better myself.

I work in a company which is probably 95% muslim. I live in a muslim dominated country.
I KNOW muslims and a bit about their faith and for some ignorant wanker to pigeon hole them with EXTREMIST groups like AQ is sickening. Does every US teen shoot up schools?

What Darius says about Muslim's being the only people to openly accept other religions is exactly true.

Ok, then tell us, how many synagogues or Buddhist temples are there in UAE?
Or in Qatar, or in fact any islamic nation? Religion tolerance from the islamic ruled countries have been non existant.

It does apply in other places in the world, you go to Israel, and muslims are allowed freedom of religion though, as well as in the western countries. Few exceptions would be Indonesia. But don't come voicing that islamic law, or wherever it is in force, is open to religion. It was, maybe in the days that Islam was on the forefront of human advancements, and ideologies, a few centuries back.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Thanatos340 1]

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So in your fantasy world pursuing a strategy that you know will make the enemy more likely to attack you is somehow "trying" to make peace?

It worked pretty damn well in Japan.

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If I shoot someone is it a valid defense that I've already punched them in the face a few times?

What about the victims of the Bombing done every single day by MUSLIM Terrorist and their Jihad, More and More Martyrs lining up to get their Virgins in heaven.

If the Muslim community was truly a religion of Peace they would be out condemning this instead of Rioting because some newspaper printed a stupid comic that had Mohammed in it. It is SICK that that little incident outraged the Muslim Community and brought protests into the streets yet daily bombings get no comment at all. Where is the Muslim Outrage over that??

It is horrible that there will be innocents killed, But in the long run lives will be saved. Until we get serious about exterminating these martyrs, The bodies will just keep piling up. You cant rationalize or negotiate with these extremists, all you can do is take them out them before they strap a bomb on and walk into another crowded public area.

We only had to Nuke two Japanese cities to end WW2, Not sure if it will take more or less to end this nightmare but it needs to be done. It is just sad our president doesn’t have the balls to do it. Plant a Small Nuke in the middle of Mecca, Next time after that there is a Suicide Bombing, Set it off. Set up others in major cities and/or Holy places. everytime they act, we react times 1000.

We tried just leaving them alone. The Taliban took over Afghanistan (Real Tolerant Bunch they were huh??), The AQ has strong holds in many countries, The fanatics and extremists gain more power everyday. It has to be stopped.

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If I shoot someone is it a valid defense that I've already punched them in the face a few times?

When your life is on the line, Who started it (HIGHLY Debatable) is not relevant. Surviving is.

[Royd 0]

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Kind of like it makes me sick that AQ is taking hostages and killing them (Yea, They are Yellow People so it really shouldn’t matter but it does to me)

Oh yea, and remember that they were Christian missionaries with nothing but Bibles in their hands. I guess they got what they deserved.

[billvon 3,009]

>If the Muslim community was truly a religion of Peace they would be
>out condemning this . . .

They are. Check out the hundreds of articles condemning it.

>It is horrible that there will be innocents killed, But in the long run lives will
>be saved.

Sadly, that is the excuse for a majority of the terrorism, war, and genocide in the world today, and indeed throughout history. It has almost never worked.

> Plant a Small Nuke in the middle of Mecca, Next time after that there is a
>Suicide Bombing, Set it off.

How many bombings of cities near you would it take before you gave up on the Iraq war?

>We tried just leaving them alone. The Taliban took over Afghanistan (Real
>Tolerant Bunch they were huh??)

You're kidding, right? We SUPPORTED the Islamic extremists who took over Afghanistan from the USSR. Heck, if you'd been seen supporting the Russians over the Taliban back in the 80's you would have been labeled a traitor by the right wingers of the time.

Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it - and we're well on our way to repeating it.

[shropshire 0]

Remember : It's only collateral damage when other peoples civilians are killed....If ours are slaughtered, it's terrorism!!

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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People that believe they have Gods permission to kill you if you don’t share their faith must be eliminated no mater what they call their Religion and/or God.

(not just diracted at you but all who have made blanket statments with zero research).


God things like this piss me off.

Where did you see that? Did you make it up?

Sura 9:5, perhaps?

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"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

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Islam is the ONLY religion that accepts other religions.

As long as they pay their tax and live as second class citizens (dhimam) under Sura 9:29.

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Sorry I am getting so sick of people who have no fucking clue about Islam but they still are making statements, this is not just directed at you but every one who tells me what being a Muslim is about yet they have done ZERO research on the subject.

Some have.

Mike
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[NCclimber 0]

Interesting post, Bill. You go from:

he entirely missed all of the fatwas and statements by organizations and individuals in the 466 items that come up in a search of MAE on the site.

and

We have collected 105 fatwas from Islamic scholars, 75 statements by Islamic Organizations (many of these signed by anywhere from 50 to 500 scholars from around the world), and 142 statements by individual Muslims. These are from 30 countries including: Afghanistan, Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Britain, Chechnya, Egypt, France, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, New Zealand, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, UAE, U.S. and Yemen.

to:

Some directly condemn al-Qaeda and bin Laden, and specific acts like 9/11 or the Madrid bombing.

Throw out a bunch of big numbers about generalized opposition to violence and then say "some directly condemn al-Qaeda"

How many is "some"?

Classic bait and switch.

[Darius11 12]

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Are these stories I read just cherry picked exceptions or are they the norm?

Exceptions.
I am sure many people use and abuse Islam just as many abuse other religions. But at the source Islam is the only religion to accept Christianity, Judaism, and also the 1000+ other profits they believe came before Mohammed.

I can’t speak for how every government acts, but I can speak for Iran as I had many Christian friends, not only were there rights respected, they are in no way ignored. Also in a dry country as most Islamic countries are there right to drink wine is respected. (Might not seem like a big deal but in an Islamic society it is)

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Bullshit.
Tell you what, Try handing out a few Bibles in a Muslim Country and see how acceptant they are of other religions.

Are you pissed because Muslims were not open to conversion or that they tried to convert you by threatning to kill you?

If you are handing out bibles you’re the one trying to be pushy with your beliefs, if you were not handing out bibles once again you speak of something that you have no experience with.

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This has nothing to do with color. It has to do with Idiots strapping Bombs to themselves and trying to take as many innocents with them as possible and them being convinced that God will reward them for doing this by giving them Virgins in heaven.

Where are the Muslim Leaders that should come out and say.. "Dont do that"??

It has every thing to do with color, race, and nationality for you and your friends. As they say the proof is in the pudding.

Look at the outrage most Americans show at minor discomforts, look at how much sadness is shared when someone’s loses a dog, How many times have you thought of the minimum 60K+ inocent people that would be alive if we did not invade Iraq?

Now how effected are you when you hear of a ONE US troop who was be-headed?

Think of the numbesr 60K to one, and not to mention the 60K are not on US soil.


No empathy for anyone other then your own doesn’t work well.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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These are from 30 countries including: Afghanistan, Australia, Bangladesh, Belgium, Britain, Chechnya, Egypt, France, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, New Zealand, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, UAE, U.S. and Yemen.

BOMB ALL THESE COUTRIES AND YOU WILL LIVE IN PEACE

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

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Are these stories I read just cherry picked exceptions or are they the norm?

Exceptions.
I am sure many people use and abuse Islam just as many abuse other religions. But at the source Islam is the only religion to accept Christianity, Judaism, and also the 1000+ other profits they believe came before Mohammed.

I can’t speak for how every government acts, but I can speak for Iran as I had many Christian friends, not only were there rights respected, they are in no way ignored. Also in a dry country as most Islamic countries are there right to drink wine is respected. (Might not seem like a big deal but in an Islamic society it is)

This link tells a different story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_persecution_by_Muslims

[shropshire 0]

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Are you pissed because Muslims were not open to conversion or that they tried to convert you by threatning to kill you?

If you are handing out bibles you’re the one trying to be pushy with your beliefs, if you were not handing out bibles once again you speak of something that you have no experience with.

You make my case. You cannot rationalize with these people.

You Claim to be Tolerant and acceptant of other religions but Justify Killing people that hand out Bibles.

You justify beheadings.

Do you also support Bombing your own people as so many Muslin nutjobs are doing on a daily basis?

Yea, Such a religion of Peace.

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How many times have you thought of the minimum 60K+ inocent people that would be alive if we did not invade Iraq

And how many more than that would Saddam have killed?? How many more than that did he Kill over the years??

I am sad everytime Innocent people die Reguardless of Color, creed or religion when another Idiot straps a Bomb to himself so that he can get his heavenly reward.

And if YOU claim to be one of the Good Muslims, A Man of peace, Why do you justify this behavior instead of speaking out against it??

[NCclimber 0]

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How about the relevant content of the link? Is any of it untrue? Or are you just going for the "shoot the messenger" tactic?

[Darius11 12]

Did you even read what linked too.
In 1847


Do you really want to play this game again? Because if you want to look at whose hands are bloodier by going in to the past the peace loving Christians are socked in it.

If you want to mentions certain incidents where people have killed one another we can do that to.
India and Pakistan hate each other, the Hindu kill the Muslims and the Muslims kill the Hindu this has been a conflict that has been going on for a long time.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Royd 0]

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Exceptions.
I am sure many people use and abuse Islam just as many abuse other religions. But at the source Islam is the only religion to accept Christianity, Judaism, and also the 1000+ other profits they believe came before Mohammed.

Sorry. If they actually believed and accepted Jesus as a prophet, they would have obeyed and followed him.

[Darius11 12]

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You make my case. You cannot rationalize with these people.

You Claim to be Tolerant and acceptant of other religions but Justify Killing people that hand out Bibles.

You justify beheadings.

Do you also support Bombing your own people as so many Muslin nutjobs are doing on a daily basis?

Yea, Such a religion of Peace.

Really thats what you got from that.

Sad really sad.
You forgot when i said

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If you are handing out bibles you’re the one trying to be pushy with your beliefs, if you were not handing out bibles once again you speak of something that you have no experience with.

I meant kill babies, and fluffy kittiens..............get a life dude.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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And how many more than that would Saddam have killed?? How many more than that did he Kill over the years??

AS WE SUPPORTED HIM.

This is almost too fun. You have no knowledge of the history of who the US has supported in the past do you?
Bill called you out on the AQ, and I am calling you out on this one.

Do you have any thing to add that can not be proven false with in the first 4 sec of reading it?


I am done with you until you say something valid.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Sorry. If they actually believed and accepted Jesus as a prophet, they would have obeyed and followed him.

WOW I should frame this one.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Thanatos340 1]

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If you are handing out bibles you’re the one trying to be pushy with your beliefs, if you were not handing out bibles once again you speak of something that you have no experience with.

Bibles, Koran, Hindu Prophesies, Ancient book of the dead, Buddha’s Toilet paper. I don’t care what people hand out. None of it justifies killing innocent people.

The fact that you feel it does says alot about Islam.

A Man of peace would see that.

[SpeedRacer 1]

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Plant a Small Nuke in the middle of Mecca, Next time after that there is a Suicide Bombing, Set it off. Set up others in major cities and/or Holy places. everytime they act, we react times 1000.

This is defeatism.


WTF????? Is Al Quaeda paying you, or what???


Why use a strategy that would get Muslims to rally around groups like AQ????

That's going backwards!!

I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to surrender to a bunch of terrorist whack jobs.

Which is essentially what we'd be doing if we threw in the towel & declared Islam to be our enemy.

Speed Racer
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