jakee 1,489 #976 September 15, 2007 QuoteI've been studying....It's safe to say that I believed more in evolution before I actually understood it 's claims I'll bet you any money that what you think you 'understand' are just the ridiculous lies and misrepresentations of creationists. But hey, have fun in the dark ages there dude.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #977 September 15, 2007 QuoteGO TO HELL!!!! I love it when you talk dirty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #978 September 15, 2007 Quote I love it when you talk dirty. .....sorry....seriouslyYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #979 September 17, 2007 QuoteYou are definitely thinking. I am not sure how to respond other than all that stuff you mentioned is irrelevant, unless you have a concept of personal sin and can see a need for a Savior. Otherwise it is impossible to understand anything about Christian teaching. Don't get me wrong, I hope you have a wonderful life. But I have lived long enough to see what happens when people try to live life in the moral framework you have described for yourself. GOOD LUCK! believe me it is not me that needs the “GOOD LUCK”, [sic]Despite all its fine words, religion has brought in its wake little more than violence, prejudice and sexual disease. True morality is found elsewhere. It just so happens that recently a study of religious belief and social well being was published in the Journal of Religion & Society. Comparing 18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand, author Gregory S Paul quietly demolished the myth that faith strengthens society. Drawing on a wide range of studies to cross-match faith – measured by belief in God and acceptance of evolution – with homicide and sexual behavior, Paul found that secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in God. Top of the class, in both atheism and good behavior, come the Japanese. Over eighty percent accept evolution and fewer than ten percent are certain that God exists. Despite its size – over a hundred million people – Japan is one of the least crime-prone countries in the world. It also has the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy of any developed nation. At the other end of the scale comes America. Over 50 percent of Americans believe in God, and only 40 percent accept some form of evolution (many believe it had a helping hand from the Deity). The U.S. has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy and homicide rates are at least five times greater than in Europe and ten times higher than in Japan. At first glance that is a preposterous suggestion, given that religions preach non-violence and sexual restraint. However, close inspection reveals a different story. Faith tends to weaken rather than strengthen people’s ability to participate in society. That makes it less likely they will respect social customs and laws. All this information points to a strong correlation between faith and antisocial behavior -- a correlation so strong that there is good reason to suppose that religious belief does more harm than good. So Corey, it is good luck to you, you poor disalusioned young man….----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #980 September 17, 2007 QuoteDespite all its fine words, religion has brought in its wake little more than violence, prejudice and sexual disease.So you're blaming the AIDS epidemic of the 90's on religion, instead of lust and licentiousness. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #981 September 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteDespite all its fine words, religion has brought in its wake little more than violence, prejudice and sexual disease.So you're blaming the AIDS epidemic of the 90's on religion, instead of lust and licentiousness. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? According to the UN agency UNAIDS sub-Saharan Africa is hardest hit by AIDS, being home to more than two-thirds of those infected with HIV worldwide - 29.4 million out of 42 million. Congo's Kinshasa Archbishop Dominique Bulamatari said: "Using condoms as a means of preventing AIDS can only lead to sexual promiscuity." Catholic leaders in Africa have pledged to step up their involvement in the fight against the AIDS pandemic, but continue to reject the use of condoms to fight the disease. So Royd tell me how religion is not responsible for the spread of AIDS and how is not responsible for the pandemic... ???? case closed,..... any other questions?----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #982 September 17, 2007 QuoteSo Royd tell me how religion is not responsible for the spread of AIDS and how is not responsible for the pandemic... ???? case closed,..... any other questions? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Religion doesn't spread sexual disease, people spread disease. Maybe you should be hatin' on people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #983 September 17, 2007 Quote It just so happens that recently a study of religious belief and social well being was published in the Journal of Religion & Society. Comparing 18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand, author Gregory S Paul quietly demolished the myth that faith strengthens society…. Wow! That's a fascinating read. Lots of data. Thanks for sharing the link. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #984 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote So Royd tell me how religion is not responsible for the spread of AIDS and how is not responsible for the pandemic... ???? case closed,..... any other questions? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Religion doesn't spread sexual disease, people spread disease. Maybe you should be hatin' on people. explain then how through religious belief that preventing africans using condoms helps the fight against aids.......----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #985 September 17, 2007 QuoteQuote It just so happens that recently a study of religious belief and social well being was published in the Journal of Religion & Society. Comparing 18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand, author Gregory S Paul quietly demolished the myth that faith strengthens society…. Wow! That's a fascinating read. Lots of data. Thanks for sharing the link. VR/Marg Here's some more on that study. QuotePaul authored a paper in 2005 entitled "Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies: A First Look". He states in the introduction that the paper is "not an attempt to present a definitive study that establishes cause versus effect between religiosity, secularism and societal health". This paper has been criticized on statistical grounds, including the seemingly arbitrary sampling of 18 countries out of more than 193 for examination, its indirect measure of "religiosity" (the author's term) and its "chi-by-eye" interpretation of scatterplots rather than quantified measures. Moreno-Riaño, Smith, and Mach wrote in a published article in the same journal that "[Paul's] methodological problems do not allow for any conclusive statement to be advanced regarding the various hypotheses Paul seeks to demonstrate or falsify." Gary F. Jensen of Vanderbilt University is one of the scientists who criticizes the methods used by Paul, including that "Paul’s analysis generates the 'desired results' by selectively choosing the set of social problems to include to highlight the negative consequences of religion". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #986 September 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo Royd tell me how religion is not responsible for the spread of AIDS and how is not responsible for the pandemic... ???? case closed,..... any other questions? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Religion doesn't spread sexual disease, people spread disease. Maybe you should be hatin' on people. I hate on people. Specifically, people like Archbishop Bulamatari and his Vatican superiors who consistently value outdated, non-sensical dogma above the lives of millions of people.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #987 September 17, 2007 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So Royd tell me how religion is not responsible for the spread of AIDS and how is not responsible for the pandemic... ???? case closed,..... any other questions? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Religion doesn't spread sexual disease, people spread disease. Maybe you should be hatin' on people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoteexplain then how through religious belief that preventing africans using condoms helps the fight against aids....... Did the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore? Aren't there any medical teams in these countries? Once you've been warned not to do it, the ball is in your court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #988 September 17, 2007 Quote I hate on people. Who'd a thunk it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #989 September 17, 2007 QuoteDid the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore?Quote How many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #990 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote I hate on people. Who'd a thunk it? Cool, out of context quoting and not contributing anything to the topic. Who'd a thunk that? Well, most people, probably.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #991 September 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteDid the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore?Quote How many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? I don't know. How many? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #992 September 17, 2007 It's a thought exercise for Royd.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DropDgorgeous 0 #993 September 17, 2007 I apologise for not getting back on the journal info yet . Had a grueling two weeks, so I haven't gotten round to it yet. I'll try to make work of it as soon as possible. A lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Knowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #994 September 17, 2007 Did the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteHow many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #995 September 18, 2007 QuoteKnowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... Just curious, but what school do you go to? Were you home schooled?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #996 September 18, 2007 >Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little >sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. I think you have perhaps not read the church's manual! Exodus 21 The Law Concerning Servants Now these are the judgments which you shall set before them . . .If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. 2 Samuel 5:13 And David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he had come from Hebron. Also more sons and daughters were born to David. Deuteronomy 21:15-16 If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved, then it shall be, on the day he bequeaths his possessions to his sons, that he must not bestow firstborn status on the son of the loved wife in preference to the son of the unloved, the true firstborn. Matthew 25 The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. . . . the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #997 September 18, 2007 QuoteA lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Please tell me this was not a lecturer on a biology or medical related subject, or if it was he prefaced his remarks with "Folks, this is a great example of some of the crap out there". QuoteKnowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... So you'll accept questionable research as long as it props up your beliefs?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites br0k3n 0 #998 September 18, 2007 Quote Did the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote How many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. How silly of me God is punishing people with AIDs for not following his word, I mean after all your god created aids along with everything else 6000 years ago.... Duh.....----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #999 September 18, 2007 Quote Matthew 25 The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. . . . the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Good grief! Here we go again, using a parable to make a point it is not inteneded to make. That parable is simply about being prepared for Christ's second coming. Only those wishing to build a straw man interpret it any other way. As far as the OT ... you know me, I don't put a lot of importance to cultural laws of ancient Jews, since I see the OT purpose as something different. But anyway, JC plays the trump card. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #1000 September 18, 2007 QuoteGood grief! Here we go again, using a parable to make a point it is not inteneded to make. Welcome to Speakers Corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 Next Page 40 of 49 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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jakee 1,489 #990 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote I hate on people. Who'd a thunk it? Cool, out of context quoting and not contributing anything to the topic. Who'd a thunk that? Well, most people, probably.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #991 September 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteDid the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore?Quote How many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? I don't know. How many? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #992 September 17, 2007 It's a thought exercise for Royd.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DropDgorgeous 0 #993 September 17, 2007 I apologise for not getting back on the journal info yet . Had a grueling two weeks, so I haven't gotten round to it yet. I'll try to make work of it as soon as possible. A lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Knowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #994 September 17, 2007 Did the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteHow many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #995 September 18, 2007 QuoteKnowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... Just curious, but what school do you go to? Were you home schooled?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,990 #996 September 18, 2007 >Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little >sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. I think you have perhaps not read the church's manual! Exodus 21 The Law Concerning Servants Now these are the judgments which you shall set before them . . .If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. 2 Samuel 5:13 And David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he had come from Hebron. Also more sons and daughters were born to David. Deuteronomy 21:15-16 If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved, then it shall be, on the day he bequeaths his possessions to his sons, that he must not bestow firstborn status on the son of the loved wife in preference to the son of the unloved, the true firstborn. Matthew 25 The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. . . . the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #997 September 18, 2007 QuoteA lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Please tell me this was not a lecturer on a biology or medical related subject, or if it was he prefaced his remarks with "Folks, this is a great example of some of the crap out there". QuoteKnowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... So you'll accept questionable research as long as it props up your beliefs?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites br0k3n 0 #998 September 18, 2007 Quote Did the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote How many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. How silly of me God is punishing people with AIDs for not following his word, I mean after all your god created aids along with everything else 6000 years ago.... Duh.....----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #999 September 18, 2007 Quote Matthew 25 The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. . . . the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Good grief! Here we go again, using a parable to make a point it is not inteneded to make. That parable is simply about being prepared for Christ's second coming. Only those wishing to build a straw man interpret it any other way. As far as the OT ... you know me, I don't put a lot of importance to cultural laws of ancient Jews, since I see the OT purpose as something different. But anyway, JC plays the trump card. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #1000 September 18, 2007 QuoteGood grief! Here we go again, using a parable to make a point it is not inteneded to make. Welcome to Speakers Corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 Next Page 40 of 49 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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jakee 1,489 #992 September 17, 2007 It's a thought exercise for Royd.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DropDgorgeous 0 #993 September 17, 2007 I apologise for not getting back on the journal info yet . Had a grueling two weeks, so I haven't gotten round to it yet. I'll try to make work of it as soon as possible. A lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Knowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #994 September 17, 2007 Did the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteHow many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #995 September 18, 2007 QuoteKnowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... Just curious, but what school do you go to? Were you home schooled?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #996 September 18, 2007 >Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little >sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. I think you have perhaps not read the church's manual! Exodus 21 The Law Concerning Servants Now these are the judgments which you shall set before them . . .If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. 2 Samuel 5:13 And David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he had come from Hebron. Also more sons and daughters were born to David. Deuteronomy 21:15-16 If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved, then it shall be, on the day he bequeaths his possessions to his sons, that he must not bestow firstborn status on the son of the loved wife in preference to the son of the unloved, the true firstborn. Matthew 25 The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. . . . the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #997 September 18, 2007 QuoteA lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Please tell me this was not a lecturer on a biology or medical related subject, or if it was he prefaced his remarks with "Folks, this is a great example of some of the crap out there". QuoteKnowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... So you'll accept questionable research as long as it props up your beliefs?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #998 September 18, 2007 Quote Did the belief that having sex with some young virgin girl would cure you of AIDS, come from the church or some backwoods folklore? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote How many avoidable infections do you think came from that barbaric practice, and how many do you think come as a result of people obeying the church's command to never use a condom? Had they actually obeyed the chuch's commands, there would be very little sexual disease. One man, one woman for life. How silly of me God is punishing people with AIDs for not following his word, I mean after all your god created aids along with everything else 6000 years ago.... Duh.....----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #999 September 18, 2007 Quote Matthew 25 The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. . . . the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Good grief! Here we go again, using a parable to make a point it is not inteneded to make. That parable is simply about being prepared for Christ's second coming. Only those wishing to build a straw man interpret it any other way. As far as the OT ... you know me, I don't put a lot of importance to cultural laws of ancient Jews, since I see the OT purpose as something different. But anyway, JC plays the trump card. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #1000 September 18, 2007 QuoteGood grief! Here we go again, using a parable to make a point it is not inteneded to make. Welcome to Speakers Corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
