kallend 2,027 #1026 September 19, 2007 Quote>can we have a safe word? Sure. Just list the lanthanides. (La) Ce Pr Nd Pm Sm Eu Gd Tb Dy Ho Er Tm Yb Lu... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #1027 September 19, 2007 Quote I apologise for not getting back on the journal info yet . Had a grueling two weeks, so I haven't gotten round to it yet. I'll try to make work of it as soon as possible. A lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Knowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... ______________________________________________ Hi DropDgorgeous, your display of grace under fire is commendable. I know the atheistic peanut gallery disagrees but I believe we, Homosapien sapien, are an example of Gods creative genius & generosity . He created us with an eternally conscience soul, & He created us to share eternity with Him. If the details were important on how He did it , He would have been more specific. Since He wasn't, then I guess it is not the most important issue we have to deal with. Stay strong, and good luck in school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #1028 September 19, 2007 QuoteThere's a 16 y/o girl who I've been seeing for a couple years. First she had trich. We had a looooong talk about sex, about sexual pressures, about self-respect, about what STDs are out there, how ya' get 'em, which ones you can get rid of and which ones you can't, how well condoms protect you...and from what....I mean the whole gamut. Then she got herpes....and then chlamydia. Her mother is very involved. They're church people....she's a "believer." She's an A student and a kid for whom her family has had high expectations. Now she's HIV+. Wonder what it is that kept her moving along that path. She knew better. Sometimes people just make stupid choices. So what you are saying is that neither side could reach the girl? She did as she damned pleased? That's my point. I only have to tell you once that the stove is hot. I'm not going to spend my life pulling your hand back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #1029 September 19, 2007 QuoteThat's absolute bullshit. There is not a church or authority in the world that will have a great success rate in stopping people from sleeping with each other, people just want it too much. If the fear of eternal damnation doesn't stop them, what makes you think that the Pope, standing on his balcony, throwing out packs of rubbers, like beads at Mardi Gras, is going to cause the people to use them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #1030 September 19, 2007 > If the fear of eternal damnation doesn't stop them, what makes you > think that the Pope, standing on his balcony, throwing out packs of > rubbers, like beads at Mardi Gras, is going to cause the people to use > them? People listen to the pope. If he advocates behavior that will save lives, good for him. If he chooses dogma over saving lives, bad on him. Let's put it in terms you'd be more likely to understand. Let's say Hilary Clinton gave two speeches. In one she basically said "don't do drugs." In the other she said "legalize certain forms of drugs because they're not dangerous to children." Which speech would make your blood pressure rise? Would you think one speech was more irresponsible than the other? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #1031 September 19, 2007 Quote Quote I apologise for not getting back on the journal info yet . Had a grueling two weeks, so I haven't gotten round to it yet. I'll try to make work of it as soon as possible. A lecturer at the university discussed it in class, so i'll have to get to him to ask him. Knowing a bit about genetics I honestly don't know if I believe the research, but I don't believe in evolution either... ______________________________________________ Hi DropDgorgeous, your display of grace under fire is commendable. I know the atheistic peanut gallery disagrees but I believe we, Homosapien sapien, are an example of Gods creative genius & generosity . He created us with an eternally conscience soul, & He created us to share eternity with Him. If the details were important on how He did it , He would have been more specific. Since He wasn't, then I guess it is not the most important issue we have to deal with. Stay strong, and good luck in school. He created us, so who created him....*yawn* As for his "generosity" can you give some examples??----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1032 September 19, 2007 QuoteIf the fear of eternal damnation doesn't stop them, what makes you think that the Pope, standing on his balcony, throwing out packs of rubbers, like beads at Mardi Gras, is going to cause the people to use them? Yes, I believe that if the Vatican changed its stance on condom use then a whole lot of people in high AIDS risk areas will be more likely to use condoms, and more receptive to safe sex campaigns. Look, your stance in this thread is that if the Church can't make people obey every single one of their commands to the letter, then the Church must not have any influence over peoples behaviour at all. Do I really need to point out (again) what a complete load of bullshit that is?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #1033 September 19, 2007 Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the fear of eternal damnation doesn't stop them, what makes you think that the Pope, standing on his balcony, throwing out packs of rubbers, like beads at Mardi Gras, is going to cause the people to use them? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I believe that if the Vatican changed its stance on condom use then a whole lot of people in high AIDS risk areas will be more likely to use condoms, and more receptive to safe sex campaigns. QuoteLook, your stance in this thread is that if the Church can't make people obey every single one of their commands to the letter, then the Church must not have any influence over peoples behaviour at all. Do I really need to point out (again) what a complete load of bullshit that is? And your stance is two faced. On the one hand, you say that the Church wields such power over the people that they all consider the use of birth control or sexual protection an abomination. On the other hand, you say that the Church has no control over the people, because they are just people, and they are going to do as they damned well please, anyway. Which is it? BTW, there are lots of American Catholics who practice birth control. On an aside, who's going to show all of these poor, self deceived people how to properly use a condom? A large number of them can't even read. They'd probably use them for hauling water from the river. You also paint a picture that there's a Catholic Church on every corner across Africa. Many of these people are under Muslim control, and many probably worship some tree god. How is the Catholic Church responsible for those people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #1034 September 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf the fear of eternal damnation doesn't stop them, what makes you think that the Pope, standing on his balcony, throwing out packs of rubbers, like beads at Mardi Gras, is going to cause the people to use them? Yes, I believe that if the Vatican changed its stance on condom use then a whole lot of people in high AIDS risk areas will be more likely to use condoms, and more receptive to safe sex campaigns. Look, your stance in this thread is that if the Church can't make people obey every single one of their commands to the letter, then the Church must not have any influence over peoples behaviour at all. Do I really need to point out (again) what a complete load of bullshit that is? Jakee - hater of all things associated with Christianity and the Church. You're so consistent. What drives this sentiment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1035 September 19, 2007 QuoteAnd your stance is two faced. On the one hand, you say that the Church wields such power over the people that they all consider the use of birth control or sexual protection an abomination. On the other hand, you say that the Church has no control over the people, because they are just people, and they are going to do as they damned well please, anyway. Which is it? You are the only one who has been talking in absolutes here, I have not done so. Why is it so hard for you to accept that more people will accept one edict over another? It is sheer stupidity to say that the Church can either make people obey all its commands or none. QuoteOn an aside, who's going to show all of these poor, self decieved people how to properly use a condom? A large number of them can't even read. They'd probably use them for hauling water from the river. WTF? They're not trained chimpanzees, they are people as intelligent as you or I. QuoteYou also paint a picture that there's a Catholic Church on every corner across Africa. Many of these people are under Muslim control, and many probably worship some tree god. How is the Catholic Church responsible for those people? I don't, they aren't, and some might say that post smacks of casual racism.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1036 September 19, 2007 QuoteJakee - hater of all things associated with Christianity and the Church. Wrong. I am, for instance, a big fan of gothic architecture. In this case however, it is plain that their stance is morally reprehensible. QuoteYou're so consistent. Better than having rampant double standards.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #1037 September 19, 2007 On an aside, who's going to show all of these poor, self decieved people how to properly use a condom? A large number of them can't even read. They'd probably use them for hauling water from the river. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteWTF? They're not trained chimpanzees, they are people as intelligent as you or I. Maybe you. I figured out a long time ago that keeping it in my pants would keep me out of trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1038 September 19, 2007 Oh I see, sleeping around is just something that poor stupid illiterate black people do. Those crazy black people!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #1039 September 19, 2007 QuoteOh I see, sleeping around is just something that poor stupid illiterate black people do. Those crazy black people! Can you explain why AIDS is a much bigger problem in Africa compared to North America or Europe? Why do a third of deaths caused by AIDs occur in sub-Saharan Africa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1040 September 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteOh I see, sleeping around is just something that poor stupid illiterate black people do. Those crazy black people! Can you explain why AIDS is a much bigger problem in Africa compared to North America or Europe? Why do a third of deaths caused by AIDs occur in sub-Saharan Africa? As well as what we've already been talking about there are quite a few factors, I'm surprised you couldn't think of any. Extra problems faced in Africa include, but are not limited to; Lack of recognition/ denial of the problem by governments Unsafe healthcare practices including needle sharing, transfusions using infected blood etc. Poor healthcare also means that HIV carriers go undiagnosed for far longer periods of time than in the west. Malaria double whammy Widespread conflict Crippling poverty Any of those ring a bell with you?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #1041 September 19, 2007 Quote I'm surprised you couldn't think of any. Assuming the worst.So predictable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1042 September 19, 2007 Quote Quote I'm surprised you couldn't think of any. Assuming the worst.So predictable. Well, when you so rarely fail to disappoint... Did you have a point, then?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #1043 September 19, 2007 Quote As well as what we've already been talking about there are quite a few factors, I'm surprised you couldn't think of any. Extra problems faced in Africa include, but are not limited to; Lack of recognition/ denial of the problem by governments Unsafe healthcare practices including needle sharing, transfusions using infected blood etc. Poor healthcare also means that HIV carriers go undiagnosed for far longer periods of time than in the west. Malaria double whammy Widespread conflict Crippling poverty Any of those ring a bell with you? But it's still the Catholic Church' fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1044 September 19, 2007 QuoteBut it's still the Catholic Church' fault. Please show me where I said the entire AIDS epidemic is the fault of the church. Oh wait, you can't because you just made it up. Instead, why don't you explain how the existence of these other factors makes it less immoral to condemn something that could still help reduce the spread?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #1045 September 19, 2007 >(La) Ce Pr Nd Pm Sm Eu Gd Tb Dy Ho Er Tm Yb Lu Not YOU, Kallend! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #1046 September 19, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I'm surprised you couldn't think of any. Assuming the worst.So predictable. Well, when you so rarely fail to disappoint... You do seem inclined to use of that broad brush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1047 September 19, 2007 Did you have a point, then?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #1048 September 19, 2007 Quote Quote But it's still the Catholic Church' fault. Please show me where I said the entire AIDS epidemic is the fault of the church. Oh wait, you can't because you just made it up. LOL Ironic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1049 September 19, 2007 Are you in this thread for a reason, or will you just stay in the corner flinging poo?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #1050 September 19, 2007 QuoteAre you in this thread for a reason, or will you just stay in the corner flinging poo? Please share with us what higher purpose your participation in Speakers Corner serves. Please enlighten us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
