Organ doner - Presumed consent - WTF!?

[juanesky 0]

It has to do with the independece of the individual's right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, in a peacefull, lawful consenting manner.

I am a donor by the way, but is my choice.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[freethefly 6]

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Some may consider it selfish but I don't want to give after death.

Hell, they could hang my body like a pinata and smack it with sticks for all I care. I did sign up as a donor after death but, with the HIV, my parts are now worthless. I would much rather see a person get some mileage from a liver, heart, lung... than to see that person die because a potential donor organ went into the incinerator or into the dirt.

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I find it disrespectful to the dead.

The dead don't care. They don't know anything. Not even that they are dead.
Save respect for the living.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Armour666 0]

I'm the same here, once I'm dead do as you wish to me, I've had a good run on life and if they could help some one have a chance to keep living theirs then they are more then welcomed to it. If they want to send my body off to some med school fine by me helping others learn so they can go on to help save lives in my mind a great thing as well.

My sorry ass being put in the ground whole or turned to a pile of ashes doesn’t help anything at all. My family knows how I feel about it and my wife said she would let them choose the best route for my body depending how I kick the bucket. In My mind a body doesn’t mean anything after death to closure the memories and legacy of the person actions during life dose.

SO this one time at band camp.....

"Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most."

[kallend 2,027]

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It has to do with the independece of the individual's right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, in a peacefull, lawful consenting manner.

I am a donor by the way, but is my choice.

My question related to the actions of the really really wealthy in getting what they want, not the actions of people like you and me in becoming voluntary donors.

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[freethefly 6]

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If they want to send my body off to some med school fine by me helping others learn so they can go on to help save lives in my mind a great thing as well.

I'm going to look into doing this. That is a great idea and, besides, I'm just to damn good looking to incinerate or bury

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[warpedskydiver 0]

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It has to do with the independece of the individual's right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, in a peacefull, lawful consenting manner.

I am a donor by the way, but is my choice.

My question related to the actions of the really really wealthy in getting what they want, not the actions of people like you and me in becoming voluntary donors.

The truly wealthy would not worry about trivial things like finding a dead organ donor, there are far too many living tissue matches out there to be had.

[Andy_Copland 0]

Sorry Scoop but im against you on this one mate, the chief is thinking with common sense.

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People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[faulknerwn 38]

I agree with you. Not donating organs has to be one of the most selfish things a person can do. You're dead - it doesn't matter to you - but you could let someone else live.

Take everything they can from me - it won't do me any good but I'd feel far better that I might be saving half a dozen lives rather than being selfish and letting them die.

I might be a letting a little child live a full life by donating my organs. Burying them with me and letting them rot in the ground does no one any good.

[jenfly00 0]

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I want to be as complete as possible when I go in the ground. I didn't enter life as a do-it-yourself flat pack child. As soon as I hit 50 I'm going to the doctor once a week until the day I die just so those bastards don't have to put me under the knife to find a cause of death. I think its sad that even in obviously innocent and natural circumstances they still perform a post mortem.

I have respect for the dead. I'd never walk across a grave or take a short cut through a graveyard and I want some of that courtesy extended to me. That includes my right not to be stripped bare and organs sent away like a car in a scrap yard. Its not a religious thing, I don't have a faith, but thats my personal view on treating a body respectfully and I shouldn't have to go out my way to sign a form to request my body remain intact.

I know people need organs but its tough. Not off me I'm afraid. I truly believe that in my lifetime I will do more than enough to contribute to society and prevent loss of life to not be bothered when I'm finally at rest.

By the time I die they'll probably be growing organs in a labratory anyway, they are nearly there already.

Perhaps you should consider being 'complete' while you are living. You are way off the mark in thinking walking over your grave is walking over 'you'. 'You' is gone. What's buried (a somewhat bizarre practice in itself) is wasted, rotting tissue.

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[Scoop 0]

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You are way off the mark in thinking walking over your grave is walking over 'you'. 'You' is gone. What's buried (a somewhat bizarre practice in itself) is wasted, rotting tissue.

It's still someones place of rest. You shouldn't walk over graves you should walk between them.

[JackC 0]

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Not donating organs has to be one of the most selfish things a person can do.

Perhaps. Organ donors might help the individual but I'm not totally convinced. Years ago famine, pestilence and war were pretty good mechanisms for keeping the population in check. These days, famine and petilence are largely under control at least in the western world and they don't do wars like they used to either. We live in a world where more people are kept alive way longer than would ordinarily be possible. The end result is an exponential growth in world population and it's becoming a problem. Possibly the biggest problem. Personally, I find the idea of recieving a donor organ a bit gruesome. It's basically socially acceptable grave robbing to feed frankensteins monster. So I got rid of my donor card and replaced it with a DNR order.

[jenfly00 0]

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You are way off the mark in thinking walking over your grave is walking over 'you'. 'You' is gone. What's buried (a somewhat bizarre practice in itself) is wasted, rotting tissue.

It's still someones place of rest. You shouldn't walk over graves you should walk between them.

Please don't should on me! -Louise May

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"O brave new world that has such people in it".

[Royd 0]

I find it disrespectful to the dead.

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The dead don't care. They don't know anything. Not even that they are dead.
Save respect for the living.

So why have funerals, wakes or memorial services? There's bound to be a dumpster around the corner.

I'm with Scoop on respecting the dead.

I dare say that there is something wrong with someone who doesn't tread lightly in Arlington Cemetery, or a Civil War battlefield.

[freethefly 6]

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I find it disrespectful to the dead.

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The dead don't care. They don't know anything. Not even that they are dead.
Save respect for the living.

So why have funerals, wakes or memorial services? There's bound to be a dumpster around the corner.

I'm with Scoop on respecting the dead.

I dare say that there is something wrong with someone who doesn't tread lightly in Arlington Cemetery, or a Civil War battlefield.

A large number of battles were fought on the surrounding area of Mount Vernon, Mo., where I live. An old timer up the road has told me that Civil War artifacts can be found fairly easily if you know what to look for (indented ground, roughly the size of a body) as bodies were often buried where they fell. Should I tread lightly on my own land?
Though, I wouldn't go dancing through a graveyard, that is not the issue of this thread. The issue is donor parts to save lives. If my heart could give a young person 50 years of life, why would that be disrespectful?
Funerals, wakes and memorials are solely for closure for the living. The dead really do not give a damn. How could they? They are dead. They know nothing.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Royd 0]

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So why have funerals, wakes or memorial services? There's bound to be a dumpster around the corner.

I'm with Scoop on respecting the dead.

I dare say that there is something wrong with someone who doesn't tread lightly in Arlington Cemetery, or a Civil War battlefield.

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A large number of battles were fought on the surrounding area of Mount Vernon, Mo., where I live. An old timer up the road has told me that Civil War artifacts can be found fairly easily if you know what to look for (indented ground, roughly the size of a body) as bodies were often buried where they fell. Should I tread lightly on my own land?
Though, I wouldn't go dancing through a graveyard, that is not the issue of this thread. The issue is donor parts to save lives. If my heart could give a young person 50 years of life, why would that be disrespectful?
Funerals, wakes and memorials are solely for closure for the living. The dead really do not give a damn. How could they? They are dead. They know nothing.

As for donating, I plan on being so worn out that it will be no good to anyone, except for the curiosity of how I lasted that long.
I believe that the thread did take a turn so I put in my two cents worth. Are you saying that if there were an ancient Indian burial ground, or a graveyard a couple of centuries old on your property, that you wouldn't show it deference?

I'm not saying that you would, but claiming that giving your parts away is the ultimate in unselfishness, while taking the diamond off of your dead grandmother's finger because, after all, she's dead and she won't miss it are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

[jenfly00 0]

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So why have funerals, wakes or memorial services?

They are societal rituals for the living.

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[pop 0]

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I like to think I will give enough to people in life without, in death, being robbed of my organs.

What good are your organs to you after you are dead. How selfish!

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[rehmwa 2]

If my family could sell them for profit, then then they do my family a lot of good. Then the hospital taking them would be stealing.

Else, first come first served.

Come on people, do you really want your organs going to some loser (for free) who'll just waste them. Maybe for the purpose of golfing? GOLFING?

Or to some political wacko?

c'mon

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Come on people, do you really want your organs going to some loser (for free) who'll just waste them

It beats having organs not go to anyone at all.

7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer

[freethefly 6]

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Are you saying that if there were an ancient Indian burial ground, or a graveyard a couple of centuries old on your property, that you wouldn't show it deference?

Why should I, my property, I paid for it. Hell, I'm third Cherokee (and Dutch and English. Does that make me a lazy, stoned snob?) and have respect for my ancestors. But, I have far more respect for the living. Is not the greatest gift one could give the gift of self? If a doctor can save your mother, father, wife, son or daughter with a transplant, would you allow it? Or would you stand back and say "WHOA!, I'm not disrespecting the dead. Let my daughter die!". I believe that you would choose the transplant for your child to live.
Be honest, would your child die?

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[NCclimber 0]

Love the "entitlement mentality" in this thread.

Seems like a lot of people think they have some right to take from others, if there is a perceived need.

Where to did this right come from?

[juanesky 0]

The Dnc?

Or maybe the PC police

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[birdshit 0]

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If my family could sell them for profit, then then they do my family a lot of good.

Hell yeah. I guess the brain is out unless the circus is in town. The liver is pretty much shot it this point. The kidneys probably look like the oil filter in my car, and the lungs probably have tumors like softballs... All the fingers have been broken a couple times over. No sense replacing bad knees with even 'badder' knees... LOL

But I got a heart like a V12 Ferrari engine. And plenty of skin that hasn't been ground off in motorcycle wrecks. And a few good vertebrae left. Three brown eyes, as long as 20/60 vision is ok with you and one of the eyes smells really bad... heh heh

But if they can put any other parts on Ebay, then I am all for it... Part me out... LOL If I crash a Mercedes, and it is sitting in the junkyard, does that mean your mechanic can just go stealing parts off of it "because I don't need them any more"? Hell no!

It took a lot of pancakes to grow those parts, and if anybody wants them, then they should offset the cost of growing them to the exquisite specimens that they are today...

[rehmwa 2]

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Come on people, do you really want your organs going to some loser (for free) who'll just waste them

It beats having organs not go to anyone at all.

Why do you hate the maggot's? And their 'children'? They need to eat and there just aren't enough government programs to feed them all.

Why do you hate the children?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

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If my family could sell them for profit, then then they do my family a lot of good.

Hell yeah. I guess the brain is out unless the circus is in town. The liver is pretty much shot it this point. The kidneys probably look like the oil filter in my car, and the lungs probably have tumors like softballs... All the fingers have been broken a couple times over. No sense replacing bad knees with even 'badder' knees... ..

I think my body could be encased in plexiglass and put on display in order to scare children into learning about fitness and good eating. Much like the "Big Book of British Smiles" revolutionized the dental industry's effort to get kids to floss back in the 70's

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants