ACMESkydiver 0 #1 August 6, 2007 Ok, this is all I got: *Obama seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. *Obama has little foreign policy experience *Obama is not a ‘seasoned’ politician –some say that’s better with no political debts, some say lack of experience is worse… *Obama is not black enough for Debra Dickerson *Obama wanted to/has banned semi-auto assault weapons *He hasn’t really DONE anything. He has proposed some great-sounding bills, but what has he done? *He seems to be an articulate, intelligent candidate. *Campaign contribution indictment *Has supported the interests of disabled vets in the past *‘Dismal record on the 2nd amendment, border control and any kind of tax reform' according to someone here... *Has a ‘sexy voice’? WTF? Ok, I'm starting to kinda like this guy. Anyone else have some positive or negative feedback on this dude? As of yesterday...I am OFFICIALLY...a nonpartisan voter, and I need to figure out who all of these presidential hopefuls are... I don't like Hil-dog. I don't like McCain. They both rub me the wrong way and feel snake-like and phoney. Anyone have a 'score card' on any other presidential hopefuls? ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 August 6, 2007 I like him. Not his policies - but there's been more honesty coming from the dude than any other candidate - period. There is a distinct lack of pretense with the guy. He's real. He doesn't play the game the way others play it and I find it refreshing. There have been other presidential candidates who have approached things in a "face it, folks" way. Most notably to me is someone like Tsongas. Obama's charisma allows him to escape what affects most open politicians - gloom. Obama says what he's gonna do and he makes it sound okay. "Yeah, to end the war we gotta surge the troops for awhile." "Yeah, lets put them in Pakistan." He is just the sort of person to either drive Hillary bonkers - or push her over the top. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #3 August 6, 2007 In this country we are more likely to see a woman become president that a black man. Obama doesnt stand a chance....not yet. (now if he was David Palmer...then its a different story ) 7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #4 August 6, 2007 I kinda' agree with you. Obama, is... welll... refreshing, compared to Hillary or some of the other 'seasoned' politicians. He makes more sense. Many of his ideas sound good. He is definately, an out of the 'ordinary' politician. We'll have to see, how this all un-folds. Hillary, sure isn't the answer. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #5 August 6, 2007 I'm still trying to understand why we the public should care. It's not like we elect the president anyway...so I don't get too excited over any of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #6 August 6, 2007 Quote It's not like we elect the president anyway...so I don't get too excited over any of them. Until the useless electoral college is done away with, I completely agree with you.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 August 6, 2007 Quote Quote It's not like we elect the president anyway...so I don't get too excited over any of them. Until the useless electoral college is done away with, I completely agree with you. You know, the electoral college is a rubber stamp of the will of the voters in their respective states. Not the will of the whole of the country, but the will of the states as a whole. I'm frankly a little bit sick of the talk about how the people don't elect the president. They do. It's merely that you'd like to see a different process. the team that scores the most runs in the World Series will not necessarily win the World Series. It's the team that scores the most runs in the most games. Getting rid of the electoral college would be like turning the World Series into a seven game matchup where the total runs are tallied and the winner is declared based upon that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #8 August 6, 2007 I don't believe that to be true based on our past two elections. They do not "rubber stamp" our votes in the state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #9 August 6, 2007 Quote I'm still trying to understand why we the public should care. It's not like we elect the president anyway...so I don't get too excited over any of them. If our form of government was *pure*, it wouldn't matter who was sitting in that chair. They are to be a servant of the public's will. That is, if they were the true voice of the people, and we truly believed that 'each voice should be heard'.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 August 6, 2007 QuoteIf our form of government was *pure*, it wouldn't matter who was sitting in that chair. They are to be a servant of the public's will. A government that merely rubberstamps the "will of the people" is just as dangerous as one that does not pay any heed to it. This is "majority rule," which is fine to all but the minority. The "will of the people" means there is no law. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #11 August 6, 2007 Quote I'm frankly a little bit sick of the talk about how the people don't elect the president. They do. It's merely that you'd like to see a different process What he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #12 August 6, 2007 agree whole heartedly, if the electorate was done away with a person could be elected pres. and not even hit all the states, 70% of the states could be against that person but they would still win.light travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #13 August 6, 2007 QuoteObama wanted to/has banned semi-auto assault weapons Ouch... Sorry, I love my AK-47. Next candidate? LOL.. really though, democrats won't touch this with a 10 ft pole, at least till they can push something through unopposed. Many believe that gore lost a few states over this issue in 2000 so it has been virtually nonexistent as a campaign issue thus far. I don't want a black guy. I don't want a woman. I want somebody that the NASCAR and WWF crowd might actually be fooled into voting for. Not because I am racist or because I am a misogynist pig, but because I am a realist and pragmatic. Democrats have their 'perfect storm' they have been waiting for since 1994, and they are going to screw it up by not putting up a rich, old, veteran, white, male with a squeaky clean record, etc, etc that says all the right things and has a smooth answer for every question. If only Wes Clark had an IQ of 140 instead of 180 somebody might understand what he is saying half the time. If only Gore had slightly bigger balls and drove a pickup. Hillary is the wicked witch of the east but she does have slick willy (a.k.a. the Cigar Driver) as her closest advisor.... Obama is getting a lot of play because 'technically' he is black and might actually have a shot. Stop the press! John Edwards is a Trial Lawyer. Nuff said. Wes Clark crapped out. Al Gore pussed out. Uh, PLEASE give me somebody I can vote for!!! Oh well, the whole thing is rigged anyway... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #14 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote If our form of government was *pure*, it wouldn't matter who was sitting in that chair. They are to be a servant of the public's will. A government that merely rubberstamps the "will of the people" is just as dangerous as one that does not pay any heed to it. This is "majority rule," which is fine to all but the minority. The "will of the people" means there is no law. You're right; I used the wrong term in the last bit of my post. I still, however, stand by my first assertion that if our government was pure, it would not matter who sat in that office. Actually, it depends largely on which desicions are made solely by the president...and which decisions he/she can choose, solely, to veto. -And how he/she personally portrays our nation when representing us to other world leaders... Ah f*ck it. You know what, I'm just going to go ahead and pretend I didn't post that original statement. I was repeating something I heard in military science that I had always thought to be valid. Edit to add: And lawrocket; your scrapbooking hobby is getting out of hand, methinks. You are trying to rubber stamp too much. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #15 August 7, 2007 Awright...a political analysis for the ADD crowd. I like it. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 August 7, 2007 QuoteOk, this is all I got: *Obama wanted to/has banned semi-auto assault weapons BTW there is no such thing as a semi auto assault weapon, but I know which weapons you were referring to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #17 August 7, 2007 Quote Quote Ok, this is all I got: *Obama wanted to/has banned semi-auto assault weapons BTW there is no such thing as a semi auto assault weapon, but I know which weapons you were referring to. Apologies, I was just quoting a few websites: Quote Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons Quote including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" Personally, whereas I do enjoy target shooting, and I did like the security of having a hand gun available when/if I did/do (), it is not something that I am personally willing to sacrifice all else for. One thing that does concern me that I failed to mention in my first post was the lack of military service. I still feel that someone that has the power to commit military troops to missions should have had to serve him or herself.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 August 7, 2007 I agree, no former service, no CIC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #19 August 7, 2007 Not having former service would have ruled out 11 out of the 42 people to hold the Presidency (Cleveland was elected twice but were non concurrent). Washington, Eisenhower, Grant, Jackson, Harrison, Taylor, Hayes, Garfield, Pierce, Johnson, Arthur and Harrison were Brigadier General or higher during their service. The last Presidents to see combat were GHW Bush, Ford and Nixon. Having military and specifically combat experience is not a requirement for the Presidency in fact looking at the list some of the ones with combat experience were some of the worst Presidents we've had.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #20 August 7, 2007 Hey I just prefer that those that lead should understand what it is like to follow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #21 August 7, 2007 QuoteHey I just prefer that those that lead should understand what it is like to follow. Nobody becomes POTUS without having come up through the ranks somewhere. Everyone knows what it means to follow. It is simply impossible for a POTUS to have experience in everything. If a POTUS is a military man (let's say an ex general, for example) then that POTUS does not have NEARLY the experience of an H. Ross Perot in terms of marketing, etc. A guy like Perot doesn't have the sort of experience of a military man who may or may not know combat, but knows how to work within a bureacracy. My military experience was good for me, but it sure was not an "end all be all." It showed me some good things (it's kinda nice to approach cases and problems with an OPORD background) but my experience in pivate industry has vastly exceeded the military in terms of other living. I've got a constituency, after all, that I didn't have in the Army. I gotta keep my constituents happy. I didn't have to do that in the Army. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #22 August 7, 2007 QuoteHey I just prefer that those that lead should understand what it is like to follow. I wouldn't put the requirement in that the Pres has to have had prior service, but I'd have no problem making it mandatory for the Sec of Def. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #23 August 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteHey I just prefer that those that lead should understand what it is like to follow. I wouldn't put the requirement in that the Pres has to have had prior service, but I'd have no problem making it mandatory for the Sec of Def. I'll go with that. I'll also concede Phree's comment about how some of our military prior-service presidents weren't so shiney in the oval office... -Right or wrong, I am still having a hard time with the Commander in Chief never having been a part of the force he/she commands...but that could be said of many of the agencies that he/she will be head of.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #24 August 8, 2007 so are you saying you had a hard time with Cllinton as pres. or was it RR because G H W Bush and G W Bush both servedlight travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #25 August 9, 2007 Quote so are you saying you had a hard time with Cllinton as pres. or was it RR because G H W Bush and G W Bush both served Clinton. He was being sworn in as I was in basic training, and I said, "This is a breach of contract! I am NOT working for that clown!" I was joking...kind of.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
