CanuckInUSA 0 #1 August 16, 2007 Ever notice that the religious people don't want to get involved in relationships with the non-religious people and visa-a-versa? I can only assume that it is because the religious people assume the non-religious people will be burning in hell for eternity and why bother wasting their time on these people while they are alive in the only place where we know for sure that concious life does exist. While on the other hand the non-religious people don't want to be constantly be lectured to on the topic, so why bother wasting your time being with someone who lectures you about eternity. Also, I suspect this can also include family members in families where different people share different views on the topic. From my perspective it is too bad we spend far too much time being pre-occupied with something we know little about and it sure would be nice to stop judging people who are different from ourselves. But we know we as humans sure like to judge others instead of taking them for who they are. Agree? or Disagree? Either way, the pot has be sturred. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #2 August 16, 2007 Religion is not the only dividing line concerning marriage. Race, social, education, and job status are also dividing factors. How many hardcore vegans think that an omnivore is even worth talking to? How many 'professionals' do you find holding a conversation with a homeless person? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #3 August 16, 2007 Love can go anywhere. It can get to places even a landrover can't go. - UN Driver, Sierra Leone, 2004. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 August 16, 2007 Quote I .. assume ...the religious people assume the non-religious people will be burning in hell ...... .... non-religious people don't want to be constantly be lectured to on the topic, .... that's a balanced perspective - though, on this site, the arrogant 'lecturing' seems to come from both sides, with the non-religious being much more 'religiously' zealous. I can count on one hand the zealous believers (and they are very disappointing to read their comments), but I have to take off my shoes for the zealous non-believers (disappointing also, and rude, and childish as well). I'd say that sane people (both religious and non-religious) don't want to be married to zealots (both religious and non-religious). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #5 August 16, 2007 Quote Ever notice that the religious people don't want to get involved in relationships with the non-religious people and visa-a-versa? Nope. While I know of examples where it was the case, I know of many more where it was not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 August 16, 2007 Looking at the results, so far it appears the non-religious (though that's a misuse of the term here as non-religious isn't represented so much as anti-religious)... anyway, it appears the "non"-religious have a large tendency towards preconceived bias and intolerance...... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 August 16, 2007 Quote Quote I .. assume ...the religious people assume the non-religious people will be burning in hell ...... .... non-religious people don't want to be constantly be lectured to on the topic, .... that's a balanced perspective - though, on this site, the arrogant 'lecturing' seems to come from both sides, with the non-religious being much more 'religiously' zealous. I can count on one hand the zealous believers (and they are very disappointing to read their comments), but I have to take off my shoes for the zealous non-believers (disappointing also, and rude, and childish as well). I'd say that sane people (both religious and non-religious) don't want to be married to zealots (both religious and non-religious). yep, what he said. I believe in God but I think everyone needs to walk their own spiritual path. You can't try to lead people by the nose. Look at Jesus. In the gospels, even he didn't attempt to convert atheists (and yes, there WAS atheism in ancient times). There were a few NON-Jews that came to him of their own volition (I'm reminded of the story of his conversation with a Roman Centurion), but Jesus did not go around seeking out & trying to harangue non-believers. (He did get into arguments with Jewish leaders, however.) Jesus understood that there are some people who will not allow themselves to receive God, and even he can't (or won't) do anything about it to force the issue. You gotta let people be what they are. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #8 August 16, 2007 Quote Look at Jesus. In the gospels, even he didn't attempt to convert atheists (and yes, there WAS atheism in ancient times). There were a few NON-Jews that came to him of their own volition (I'm reminded of the story of his conversation with a Roman Centurion), but Jesus did not go around seeking out & trying to harangue non-believers. (He did get into arguments with Jewish leaders, however.) Jesus understood that there are some people who will not allow themselves to receive God, and even he can't (or won't) do anything about it to force the issue. You gotta let people be what they are. BINGO! We have a winner! steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #9 August 16, 2007 I see both sides of it, I met a girl recently - great chemistry, things were going along well, and then all the sudden she gets cold feet and disappears. Come to find out she found out I was Athiest. Ironically, she, *for fun* wanted to look at our dating horoscopes. Ive dated religious and non alike. My best friend is athiest and he boyfriend (likely to be fiance) is catholic. I think open minded (religious or otherwise) will date other open minded folk (again religious or otherwise), while close minded folk tend to date other close minded folk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #10 August 16, 2007 My wife is very catholic and I am nothing. I am not neccessarily an atheist, but I am an undecided (agnostic ?). It caused some friction when I blasphemed or told religious jokes but for the most part it was a non-issue My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 August 16, 2007 Quote I am an undecided (agnostic ?). you need to decide and start ripping on people of faith. thousands of soldiers (duped by the current administration in Washington and all the R's in congress - but not the D's) are counting on you to ensure they can come home and work on sex education efforts at local public schools. think of the children, for gosh sakes ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #12 August 16, 2007 Some things don't mix ... but then again there are alot of people who claim to be religous but do not practice religion. I'll keep my options open until I know what they practice and to what degree they practice it. Quote you need to decide and start ripping on people of faith. What do you consider "questioning" and what do you consider "ripping on"?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 August 16, 2007 This is all interesting, but when you realize that all cops, all the time, are just looking to steal donuts from starving slum residents, then you have to admit that the Florida elections were rigged and we need to move to a more European style of health benefits and vacation expectations. Don't you realize just how evil the US is? Don't you? It's all about the children. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #14 August 16, 2007 I've been happily involved for nearly a year with a woman who is agnostic (with hints of atheism). Her beliefs and mine match pretty well. Before her, I dated a Christian woman for about six months, and the religion ended up being the breaking point...I went to her place for dinner one Sunday after spending the weekend at the DZ, and she freaked out. Bawling her head off, telling me how scared she was for me, that with all this jumping I could be killed at any time and spend eternity in hell and there'd be nothing she could do to help me. I asked if something had happened to set her off, she said no, that it always bothered her and that she was just finally voicing it. I told her that the last thing in the world I wanted to do was constantly upset her and that if that was the case, we should probably call it quits. After a bunch more waterworks and associated pleas for me to accept her belief system I told her that I wouldn't lie to placate her, I gathered the stuff of mine that had accumulated at her house, and I left. I haven't seen her since. Before her was a six month relationship with a different Christian, and it was also a sore point for her, however she preferred that I simply avoid religious-toned topics. Before her was a 4.5 year relationship with an atheist. So yeah, it seems to me that religion or lack thereof can be a sticking point, albeit more for the believer than for me. I respect others ability to imagine the unknown and arrive at conclusions (or suspicions) that differ from mine. I don't expect others to adapt to my perspective and don't appreciate others expecting such out of me. Bottom line, I don't care what someone else believes, but the going does seem to be easier if we're at least in the same book, if not on the same page. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #15 August 16, 2007 Quote This is all interesting, but when you realize that all cops, all the time, are just looking to steal donuts from starving slum residents, then you have to admit that the Florida elections were rigged and we need to move to a more European style of health benefits and vacation expectations. Don't you realize just how evil the US is? Don't you? It's all about the children. Well, when you put it that way ... maybe."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #16 August 17, 2007 Quote I'd say that sane people (both religious and non-religious) don't want to be married to zealots (both religious and non-religious). we have a winner... if religion RUNS your life (any religion) we wont get along very well for very long... if you have the ability to say 'i dont know' and examine everything with that perspective life will be fine... as soon as the "we MUST do "X" because my religion believes ((insert unproven, unprovable assertion)" attitude shows I wont be around much longer... few things are less attractive than a closed mind.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #17 August 17, 2007 Quote few things are less attractive than a closed mind. Wow.... can I steal that for my next sig line? That is so true. Probably about half the people I've dated have been christian, and the other half a mix of everything else, but nobody I'd describe as a zealot or fanatic. I date people who can discuss things with me. I don't want someone who always agrees, because that would be boring, but I don't want someone who states absolutes and refuses to examine them either. I'm always willing to listen to a different opinion, and I'd like whoever I'm dating to grant me the same courtesy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #18 August 17, 2007 Well said. I'm openminded to all sorts of beliefs. I don't think any of the men in my life have been as spiritual as I am, but I haven't forced my beliefs on them either. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #19 August 17, 2007 Quote Quote few things are less attractive than a closed mind. Wow.... can I steal that for my next sig line? That is so true. Probably about half the people I've dated have been christian, and the other half a mix of everything else, but nobody I'd describe as a zealot or fanatic. I date people who can discuss things with me. I don't want someone who always agrees, because that would be boring, but I don't want someone who states absolutes and refuses to examine them either. I'm always willing to listen to a different opinion, and I'd like whoever I'm dating to grant me the same courtesy. absolutely. and i absolutely agree... Disagreement and (rational)discussion are the source of growth. As long as one is willing to question and examine everything of interest, then a relationship (with me) is always possible.. there is very little I dont question continually myself. Someone who helps me challenge the 'fixed' position of comfort that attitude and belief tends to settle in, is an asset greatly desired.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #20 August 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote few things are less attractive than a closed mind. That is so true... I date people who can discuss things with me. I don't want someone who always agrees, because that would be boring, but I don't want someone who states absolutes and refuses to examine them either. I'm always willing to listen to a different opinion, and I'd like whoever I'm dating to grant me the same courtesy. absolutely. and i absolutely agree. Are you the same poster who consistently makes condescending, belittling remarks to others. You know, statements like: Quote The US Military is at war... but go ahead and pretend you have some claim to use the word 'we' Quote this simply illustrates a complete ignorance of what is actually going on Quote If the only person who loves you enough to put their life in front of your own is your invisible friend i feel very sorry for you. It's about practicing what you preach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 August 17, 2007 Quote Quote I'd say that sane people (both religious and non-religious) don't want to be married to zealots (both religious and non-religious). we have a winner... if religion RUNS your life (any religion) we wont get along very well for very long... if you have the ability to say 'i dont know' and examine everything with that perspective life will be fine... as soon as the "we MUST do "X" because my religion believes ((insert unproven, unprovable assertion)" attitude shows I wont be around much longer... few things are less attractive than a closed mind. this is fine, as long as one includes zealous atheism in their list of religions (which I think you did). Else it's just someone putting all of the "the OTHER" people into the insane category ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #22 August 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote few things are less attractive than a closed mind. That is so true... I date people who can discuss things with me. I don't want someone who always agrees, because that would be boring, but I don't want someone who states absolutes and refuses to examine them either. I'm always willing to listen to a different opinion, and I'd like whoever I'm dating to grant me the same courtesy. absolutely. and i absolutely agree. Are you the same poster who consistently makes condescending, belittling remarks to others. You know, statements like: Quote The US Military is at war... but go ahead and pretend you have some claim to use the word 'we' Quote this simply illustrates a complete ignorance of what is actually going on Quote If the only person who loves you enough to put their life in front of your own is your invisible friend i feel very sorry for you. It's about practicing what you preach. so please indicate exactly how any of those qoutes illustrates a 'closed mind' 1. Ive Deployed twice.. I think i have a right to use the word 'we' that those who sit on their ass and TALK about 'doing the right thing' do not. 2. Anyone who believes the ENTIRE US is at War at the moment is delusional. 3. Provide some *evidence (standard definition applies) to support the 'love' of your unseen, intangible friend and I'll be happy to listen. Nothing provided so far meets the standard definition of 'evidence' got anymore Strawmen to be burned down?? an "Open Mind" doesnt mean I'm going to accept anything you say simply because you say it.. that would fall under the definition of 'gullible' In addition, having been around these debates/subjects more than a few times.. when those 'new' to such debates come in repeating the same tired, invalid arguments they are given the amount of credit and attention they deserve.. very little. If you are adding something 'new' and i'm always willing to listen...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #23 August 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I'd say that sane people (both religious and non-religious) don't want to be married to zealots (both religious and non-religious). we have a winner... if religion RUNS your life (any religion) we wont get along very well for very long... if you have the ability to say 'i dont know' and examine everything with that perspective life will be fine... as soon as the "we MUST do "X" because my religion believes ((insert unproven, unprovable assertion)" attitude shows I wont be around much longer... few things are less attractive than a closed mind. this is fine, as long as one includes zealous atheism in their list of religions (which I think you did). Else it's just someone putting all of the "the OTHER" people into the insane category absolutely as well... Ive had at least two relationships fail because there was no room for discussion on the existence of divinity. There is no subject i'm aware of that i will not entertain discussion about... but if you havent done your 'homework' it wont get very far.. a clearly uninformed undeveloped opinion is by no means as valuable as an educated informed one, and will never be given the same level of attention or respect. Zealotry of any stripe isnt worth my time..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiccoli 0 #24 August 19, 2007 Quote few things are less attractive than a closed mind. you obviously have never had to stand in line behind a women with a hairy back and extra toes. i try to be a devoted follower of the Christ, but will give anyone (not just anyone, but you know what i mean) a chance when it comes to dating, with the exception of catholics. they just seem to make a huge...MASS of things. i wont date any blacks either, because im color blind and might accidentaly back over them with the car or somthing. hindus would be ok if they didnt smell like puberty and curry sauce mixed together.we need to talk about your flare.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #25 August 19, 2007 I have to disagree on this one, I'm an atheist while my wife is a practicing catholic, Whilst we were dating we came to several agreements. 1 I would not interfere in her religion or beliefs 2 Any children we had could go to church/mass if they so wished to do so 3 They would not be baptized or have communion until they were of an age that they could fully understand their actions For my part I obtained permission as an atheist from the catholic church to wed If a persons religion can dictate whom they love then they are a fanatic an doomed to a fanatics life. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
