rushmc 23 #51 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Ya, well one pissed off ex CIA person does not the truth make. But, you can pick and choose the comments that agreee with your world view template. After all, that is what you have been doing for years now (this does not mean i think no mistakes were made but, no case of INTENTIONAL mis leading has ever been made, just the normal accusations. You know, the accusations that mean more than fact? Ya those, the ones you like) Defending your president to this level of absurdity is not patriotic, it's just sad. Ya, I am an evil bastard anint I"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #52 August 23, 2007 Wow Democrats Strategize on How to Cast the U.S. Troop Surge in Iraq as Failure Thursday , August 23, 2007 Congressional Democratic leaders are aggressively strategizing a new offensive against the Bush administration's management of the Iraq war as more and more anti-war lawmakers publicly acknowledge successes ahead of a key White House progress report. Aware of the trouble Iraqi progress could mean for Democrats at home — House Whip James Clyburn recently said if the surge were successful, it would be "a real problem for us" — a revised set of talking points is being worked up by Democrats that declares the escalation of troops in Iraq has not been successful despite White House claims otherwise. That point is expected to be sharpened on Thursday after lawmakers receive the latest National Intelligence Estimate ahead of the report due next month. Democrats are likely to emphasize the potential threats listed in the NIE as demonstrative of the Iraqi government's failure to achieve political reconciliation. One leadership aide previewed the new argument — laid out in an hour-long conference call Tuesday — by saying that limited military success does not mean the surge has fulfilled its goals. The contention is that the surge was implemented to give an opportunity for the political process to get moving and "obviously" that hasn't happened. Meanwhile, the White House is trying to set the stage for justifying a continued U.S. military surge in Iraq. Gen. David Petraeus, the head of Multinational Forces in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan Crocker are set to deliver a report in the second week of September that will show the military surge has reduced the level of violence. Ahead of the congressionally mandated testimony, Crocker said Tuesday that even if the political benchmarks have not been met, that does not mean Iraq has reached "the definitive failure of the state or the society." "Conversely, to make them all would not by any means mean that they've turned the corner and it's a sun-dappled upland from here on in with peace and harmony and background music. It's just a lot more complex than that," he added. President Bush warned Wednesday that a hasty withdrawal from the country would result in violence similar to the "killing fields" in southeast Asia after the U.S. pulled out of Vietnam. "One unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like 'boat people,' 're-education camps' and 'killing fields,'" Bush told the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Kansas City, Mo. "Some can argue our withdrawal from Vietnam carried no price for American credibility. But the terrorists see it differently," Bush added. "Unlike in Vietnam, if we were to withdraw before the job was done, this enemy would follow us home." Roundly criticized for the Vietnam comparison — a rhetorical device previously avoided by the White House — anti-war Democrats lambasted the president, who they say took the wrong lesson from that war. They also contended he is in the same denial that led earlier U.S. administrations to leave troops in Vietnam long after the country had been lost to communism. "The surge was designed to give the Iraqi government time to take steps to ensure a political solution to the situation," 2008 White House hopeful Sen. Hillary Clinton said. "It has failed to do so. The White House's report in September won't change that. It is abundantly clear that there is no military solution to the sectarian fighting in Iraq. We need to stop refereeing the war, and start getting out now." In a statement, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said: "In an attempt to justify his stay-the-course strategy in Iraq, President Bush is offering false lessons from history. The American people have already judged the president's war in Iraq as the wrong war at the wrong time, and are ready for our troops to come home," she said. "Whatever improvements in security that may have resulted from the efforts of our troops since the surge began, Iraqi leaders have not done the hard political work on which the future of their country depends. And therefore, the purpose of the surge — to enable the Iraqis to produce political reconciliation — has not been accomplished," she said. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., was among the first to invoke the adopted Democratic approach when on Monday he described the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki as "non-functional." On Wednesday after the president's speech, retired Brig. Gen. John Johns, a Vietnam veteran speaking for Democratic war opponents, said no matter what success the U.S. has, Iraq is lost. "We keep blaming the politicians in Iraq for not doing their job. We gave them a situation — mission impossible. There is no way, there is no way that a government is going to pull humpty dumpty back together again," he said. "This frustration could become an exit strategy by default," Carlos Pascual, director of foreign policy studies at the Brookings Institution study center in Washington, D.C., told The Associated Press. "It's 'the Iraqis didn't hold up their end of the bargain and so it's time to leave.'" Al-Maliki's response to the new line of criticism offers no comfort to the White House, which tried to prop up the prime minister during the president's VFW speech. Prior to the speech, al-Maliki said he would "pay no attention" to his American critics and if necessary "find friends elsewhere." He was in Syria at the time of his statement. In the U.S., Republican lawmakers are also being pressured — to continue their support for Bush's strategy. Freedom's Watch, a new group whose leadership includes former Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer, has launched a five-week, $15 million ad campaign targeting Republicans who have softened their support for the war. Anti-war group Americans United for Change described the campaign as an effort to "swift boat" dovish GOP lawmakers — such as Sen. Pete Domenici and Rep. Walter Jones — calling it the same tactic used in 2004 to raise doubt about then-presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry's valor in Vietnam. FOX News' Trish Turner and Molly Hooper contributed to this report."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #53 August 23, 2007 wow. Looks like our generals fear positive news as well: -------------------- U.S. officials rethink hopes for Iraq democracy From Michael Ware and Thomas Evans BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security. A workable democratic and sovereign government in Iraq was one of the Bush administration's stated goals of the war. But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country's nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren't as "lofty" as they once had been. . .. The failure of Iraq to emerge from widespread instability is a bitter pill for the United States, which optimistically toppled the Saddam Hussein regime more than four years ago. Millions of Iraqis went to the polls to cast ballots, something that generated great promise for the establishment of a democratic system. But Iraqi institutions, from the infrastructure to the national government, are widely regarded as ineffective in the fifth year of the war. ----------------------- Why, oh why do these defeatocrat generals hate america? Why can't they listen to the chickenhawks instead of trusting their own eyes, and just WIN? They must WANT the US to lose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #54 August 23, 2007 QuoteFOX News' Trish Turner and Molly Hooper contributed to this report. And then you tell others that they pick and choose the stories that fit their perspectives. Like another said upthread -- I guess you really don't want anyone to take you seriously. edited to take out attachment. Sorry Bill. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #55 August 23, 2007 Your one warning. No PA's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #56 August 23, 2007 Quote>Ya, well one pissed off ex CIA person does not the truth make. ----------------- Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence‚ -- it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking points for U.S. officials‚ -- including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February‚ -- that the administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an unnecessary war. ----------------- The revelations made by retired CIA officer Paul Pillar in an article published in the March-April issue of the journal Foreign Affairs should come as a surprise to no one who has been following the disturbing case of Iraq and the missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Mr. Pillar is a career intelligence officer with the CIA who served as the deputy chief of the Counterterrorist Center and, most recently, as the national intelligence officer for Near East/Middle East affairs from 2000 to 2005. His essay offers sound analysis to back up his claim that the Bush administration had made the decision to invade Iraq independent of any viable intelligence analysis to sustain the allegation that Iraq possessed undeclared and hidden WMD capability. This capability allegedly not only violated international law but also constituted a threat to the United States and the international community that justified the use of force. . . . "It has become clear that official intelligence was not relied on in making even the most significant national security decisions, that intelligence was misused publicly to justify decisions already made, that damaging ill will developed between [Bush] policymakers and intelligence officers, and that the intelligence community's own work was politicized," Pillar wrote. ------------------- How about one ex-CIA leader, one Air Force officer and one career counterintelligence officer? How many people involved coming forward will it take to convince a staunch Bush supporter? This guy, or these threee, are not exceptions. They are the norm. I've known a few veterans of the diplomatic corps, have a couple family members that served even. They will concur almost without exception that this has become standard behavior. Politicians, and therefore the administrations they run, practice situational ethics and are masters of propoganda. All of them. Everyone on their high horse about their party being the righteous ones - get over it. If there is anything to be learned from observing the political arena for the last 40 years it is that career politicians have an absurdly high rate (compared to the population as a whole) of criminal activity, lying, cheating, deception, adultery, alcohol & drug abuse, and so on and so forth. I don't know which begets the other, becoming a politician or shedding any sense of trying to behave like a decent human being. I think it is the business they are in. Can't remember where I found it, but I saw a report a few years back that was basically a rap sheet on Congress. It was mind boggling how many of them had DUI's, were wife-beaters, had been in treatment, had other criminal convictions, etc. Our political system is pathetic. Our form of government is great, but the people we choose, and the reasons we select them absolutely suck." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #57 August 23, 2007 QuoteQuote Our political system is pathetic. Our form of government is great, but the people we choose, and the reasons we select them absolutely suck. Surely the miserable outcome, repeated over decades, is a commentary on the form of government.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #58 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote FOX News' Trish Turner and Molly Hooper contributed to this report. And then you tell others that they pick and choose the stories that fit their perspectives. Like another said upthread -- I guess you really don't want anyone to take you seriously. edited to take out attachment. Sorry Bill. Quite serious. Fox is a good a news source as any you might quote. FOX, MSNBC, AP, BBC and many other I have quoted. Yes, quite serious indeed. Prepare for more"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #59 August 23, 2007 Quotewow. Looks like our generals fear positive news as well: -------------------- U.S. officials rethink hopes for Iraq democracy From Michael Ware and Thomas Evans BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq.Yes, this has been spoken of before MANY times. Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security. A workable democratic and sovereign government in Iraq was one of the Bush administration's stated goals of the war.And still is But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country's nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren't as "lofty" as they once had been. . .. The failure of Iraq to emerge from widespread instability is a bitter pill for the United States, which optimistically toppled the Saddam Hussein regime more than four years ago. Millions of Iraqis went to the polls to cast ballots, something that generated great promise for the establishment of a democratic system. But Iraqi institutions, from the infrastructure to the national government, are widely regarded as ineffective in the fifth year of the war. ----------------------- Why, oh why do these defeatocrat generals hate america? Why can't they listen to the chickenhawks instead of trusting their own eyes, and just WIN? They must WANT the US to lose.Well, I guess I do not see them as defeatists. You might try and see how this story is spun by someone other than the communist news network"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #60 August 23, 2007 QuoteQuite serious. Fox is a good a news source as any you might quote. FOX, MSNBC, AP, BBC and many other I have quoted. and then QuoteYou might try and see how this story is spun by someone other than the communist news network You're awesome!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #61 August 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Our political system is pathetic. Our form of government is great, but the people we choose, and the reasons we select them absolutely suck. Surely the miserable outcome, repeated over decades, is a commentary on the form of government. More a commentary on man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #62 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Quite serious. Fox is a good a news source as any you might quote. FOX, MSNBC, AP, BBC and many other I have quoted. and then Quote You might try and see how this story is spun by someone other than the communist news network You're awesome! Got to have a little fun.In all seriousness CNN is the worst of the worst for me. That might be the reason they loosing veiwers daily"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #63 August 23, 2007 >Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. So you never believed that Iraq would someday become a democracy? >And still it And still it what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #64 August 23, 2007 Quote communist news network BWAHAHAHAHAHA Isnt there a NEW derogatory term you guys are applying.. that is just SOOOO Cold warish and 1980'sOr are you stuck on 20 year old rhetoic as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #65 August 23, 2007 Quote>Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. So you never believed that Iraq would someday become a democracy?no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time >And still it And still it what? Supposed to be "And still is""America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #66 August 23, 2007 >no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time Well, there is "some form of democracy" now. Heck, Saddam Hussein had 'elections.' >Supposed to be "And still is" Ah, I see. In that case you may have missed the point of the article, which is that american officials (including our generals) now think that a "workable democratic and sovereign government" is no longer an achievable goal, and will be aiming lower. In other words: >And still is. It no longer is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #67 August 23, 2007 Quote>no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time Well, there is "some form of democracy" now. Heck, Saddam Hussein had 'elections.' >Supposed to be "And still is" Ah, I see. In that case you may have missed the point of the article, which is that american officials (including our generals) now think that a "workable democratic and sovereign government" is no longer an achievable goal, and will be aiming lower. In other words: >And still is. It no longer is. Well, you can read that into the story if you wish but other news sources have spins somewhat different than CNN. I think the conclusion you have drawn is not exactly what they (the generals) meant. Especially longer term."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #68 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote communist news network BWAHAHAHAHAHA Isnt there a NEW derogatory term you guys are applying.. that is just SOOOO Cold warish and 1980'sOr are you stuck on 20 year old rhetoic as well. Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #69 August 23, 2007 Quote Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Those are more up to date...and they fit SOOOOOOO well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #70 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Those are more up to date...and they fit SOOOOOOO well... Hey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #71 August 23, 2007 QuoteHey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Hey Bubba...why do you OWN them all so well???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #72 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Hey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Hey Bubba...why do you OWN them all so well???? That's what I thought. Bummer for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #73 August 23, 2007 You dont REALLLLY expect me to be nice to you and your cohorts after all the things YOU and THEY have called me now do you???? Get real there and quit pretending there is one iota of decorum in your repetoire of replies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #74 August 23, 2007 QuoteYou dont REALLLLY expect me to be nice to you and your cohorts after all the things YOU and THEY have called me now do you???? Get real there and quit pretending there is one iota of decorum in your repetoire of replies. What??? have they called you? I call bull shit."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #75 August 23, 2007 Hey you are not talking to me remember????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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rushmc 23 #58 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote FOX News' Trish Turner and Molly Hooper contributed to this report. And then you tell others that they pick and choose the stories that fit their perspectives. Like another said upthread -- I guess you really don't want anyone to take you seriously. edited to take out attachment. Sorry Bill. Quite serious. Fox is a good a news source as any you might quote. FOX, MSNBC, AP, BBC and many other I have quoted. Yes, quite serious indeed. Prepare for more"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #59 August 23, 2007 Quotewow. Looks like our generals fear positive news as well: -------------------- U.S. officials rethink hopes for Iraq democracy From Michael Ware and Thomas Evans BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq.Yes, this has been spoken of before MANY times. Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security. A workable democratic and sovereign government in Iraq was one of the Bush administration's stated goals of the war.And still is But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country's nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren't as "lofty" as they once had been. . .. The failure of Iraq to emerge from widespread instability is a bitter pill for the United States, which optimistically toppled the Saddam Hussein regime more than four years ago. Millions of Iraqis went to the polls to cast ballots, something that generated great promise for the establishment of a democratic system. But Iraqi institutions, from the infrastructure to the national government, are widely regarded as ineffective in the fifth year of the war. ----------------------- Why, oh why do these defeatocrat generals hate america? Why can't they listen to the chickenhawks instead of trusting their own eyes, and just WIN? They must WANT the US to lose.Well, I guess I do not see them as defeatists. You might try and see how this story is spun by someone other than the communist news network"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #60 August 23, 2007 QuoteQuite serious. Fox is a good a news source as any you might quote. FOX, MSNBC, AP, BBC and many other I have quoted. and then QuoteYou might try and see how this story is spun by someone other than the communist news network You're awesome!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #61 August 23, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote Our political system is pathetic. Our form of government is great, but the people we choose, and the reasons we select them absolutely suck. Surely the miserable outcome, repeated over decades, is a commentary on the form of government. More a commentary on man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #62 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Quite serious. Fox is a good a news source as any you might quote. FOX, MSNBC, AP, BBC and many other I have quoted. and then Quote You might try and see how this story is spun by someone other than the communist news network You're awesome! Got to have a little fun.In all seriousness CNN is the worst of the worst for me. That might be the reason they loosing veiwers daily"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #63 August 23, 2007 >Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. So you never believed that Iraq would someday become a democracy? >And still it And still it what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #64 August 23, 2007 Quote communist news network BWAHAHAHAHAHA Isnt there a NEW derogatory term you guys are applying.. that is just SOOOO Cold warish and 1980'sOr are you stuck on 20 year old rhetoic as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #65 August 23, 2007 Quote>Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. So you never believed that Iraq would someday become a democracy?no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time >And still it And still it what? Supposed to be "And still is""America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #66 August 23, 2007 >no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time Well, there is "some form of democracy" now. Heck, Saddam Hussein had 'elections.' >Supposed to be "And still is" Ah, I see. In that case you may have missed the point of the article, which is that american officials (including our generals) now think that a "workable democratic and sovereign government" is no longer an achievable goal, and will be aiming lower. In other words: >And still is. It no longer is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #67 August 23, 2007 Quote>no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time Well, there is "some form of democracy" now. Heck, Saddam Hussein had 'elections.' >Supposed to be "And still is" Ah, I see. In that case you may have missed the point of the article, which is that american officials (including our generals) now think that a "workable democratic and sovereign government" is no longer an achievable goal, and will be aiming lower. In other words: >And still is. It no longer is. Well, you can read that into the story if you wish but other news sources have spins somewhat different than CNN. I think the conclusion you have drawn is not exactly what they (the generals) meant. Especially longer term."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #68 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote communist news network BWAHAHAHAHAHA Isnt there a NEW derogatory term you guys are applying.. that is just SOOOO Cold warish and 1980'sOr are you stuck on 20 year old rhetoic as well. Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #69 August 23, 2007 Quote Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Those are more up to date...and they fit SOOOOOOO well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #70 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Those are more up to date...and they fit SOOOOOOO well... Hey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #71 August 23, 2007 QuoteHey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Hey Bubba...why do you OWN them all so well???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #72 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Hey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Hey Bubba...why do you OWN them all so well???? That's what I thought. Bummer for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #73 August 23, 2007 You dont REALLLLY expect me to be nice to you and your cohorts after all the things YOU and THEY have called me now do you???? Get real there and quit pretending there is one iota of decorum in your repetoire of replies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #74 August 23, 2007 QuoteYou dont REALLLLY expect me to be nice to you and your cohorts after all the things YOU and THEY have called me now do you???? Get real there and quit pretending there is one iota of decorum in your repetoire of replies. What??? have they called you? I call bull shit."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #75 August 23, 2007 Hey you are not talking to me remember????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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rushmc 23 #62 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Quite serious. Fox is a good a news source as any you might quote. FOX, MSNBC, AP, BBC and many other I have quoted. and then Quote You might try and see how this story is spun by someone other than the communist news network You're awesome! Got to have a little fun.In all seriousness CNN is the worst of the worst for me. That might be the reason they loosing veiwers daily"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #63 August 23, 2007 >Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. So you never believed that Iraq would someday become a democracy? >And still it And still it what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #64 August 23, 2007 Quote communist news network BWAHAHAHAHAHA Isnt there a NEW derogatory term you guys are applying.. that is just SOOOO Cold warish and 1980'sOr are you stuck on 20 year old rhetoic as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #65 August 23, 2007 Quote>Physical securtity will have to exist first before. Nothing new here. So you never believed that Iraq would someday become a democracy?no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time >And still it And still it what? Supposed to be "And still is""America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #66 August 23, 2007 >no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time Well, there is "some form of democracy" now. Heck, Saddam Hussein had 'elections.' >Supposed to be "And still is" Ah, I see. In that case you may have missed the point of the article, which is that american officials (including our generals) now think that a "workable democratic and sovereign government" is no longer an achievable goal, and will be aiming lower. In other words: >And still is. It no longer is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #67 August 23, 2007 Quote>no I do believe there will be some form of democracy if given enough time Well, there is "some form of democracy" now. Heck, Saddam Hussein had 'elections.' >Supposed to be "And still is" Ah, I see. In that case you may have missed the point of the article, which is that american officials (including our generals) now think that a "workable democratic and sovereign government" is no longer an achievable goal, and will be aiming lower. In other words: >And still is. It no longer is. Well, you can read that into the story if you wish but other news sources have spins somewhat different than CNN. I think the conclusion you have drawn is not exactly what they (the generals) meant. Especially longer term."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #68 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote communist news network BWAHAHAHAHAHA Isnt there a NEW derogatory term you guys are applying.. that is just SOOOO Cold warish and 1980'sOr are you stuck on 20 year old rhetoic as well. Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 August 23, 2007 Quote Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Those are more up to date...and they fit SOOOOOOO well... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #70 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Let's hope he doesn't use it with the same frequency as some use those tired old "neo-con, chickenhawk, Lush rimjob labels. Those are more up to date...and they fit SOOOOOOO well... Hey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 August 23, 2007 QuoteHey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Hey Bubba...why do you OWN them all so well???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #72 August 23, 2007 Quote Quote Hey Amazon, When someone (frequently) resorts to inflammatory stereotypes, who does it reflect more negatively on - the subject/target? or the speaker? Hey Bubba...why do you OWN them all so well???? That's what I thought. Bummer for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #73 August 23, 2007 You dont REALLLLY expect me to be nice to you and your cohorts after all the things YOU and THEY have called me now do you???? Get real there and quit pretending there is one iota of decorum in your repetoire of replies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #74 August 23, 2007 QuoteYou dont REALLLLY expect me to be nice to you and your cohorts after all the things YOU and THEY have called me now do you???? Get real there and quit pretending there is one iota of decorum in your repetoire of replies. What??? have they called you? I call bull shit."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #75 August 23, 2007 Hey you are not talking to me remember????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
