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>So basically if we in this country do not dress in what YOU consider to
>be an acceptable fasion.. we are all whores...

Depends on the locale. If you stood wearing a latex dress on a streetcorner in Manhattan, you'd be considered a whore.

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please don't become a john and don;t twist my words. I am used to others doing it but not you.

In their culture it is viewed that way as mention in the original post which you either missed or deliberately left out to start shit.

That is the way it is viwed by them and they are entitiled to there view.

Just as the swim suits seem funny or odd in this culture.

We are all allowed to have our own culture I believe don’t we?


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The way woman and men dress in the west is not acceptable to their culture. If you dressed like Brittany in public Muslim cultures they will look at you like a whore and not just the men the woman will be even a harsher judge. That’s what people don’t get. That is their culture and frankly who the fuck are we to judge.

So are women completely equal to men in Iranian culture? Or are they just a small step lower?

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You know what’s that’s called? A different culture and it would great to learn other culture and not criticize one that you are so obviously oblivious on.

It's more about their culture getting their act together, not about the conflict between our culture and theirs. It is their police arresting their citizens for not complying with their religiously driven laws that obviously many do not agree with. Or perhaps you think the ones that get arrested for not dressing according to scripture want to be arrested?

I also disagree with your statement about democracy. The mullahs have the final say, and bring their wrath down upon those that disagree. They are not elected. When the final say comes from non-elected religious figures with no check or balance to their power - that is not a democracy.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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We are all allowed to have our own culture I believe don’t we?

You've sure been swearing a lot in your responses. I don't approve of the frequent, regular use of that kind of language, but at least you have the freedom to do it here, if that's what you like. A religious policeman is not going to come along and beat you with a stick for it.

Likewise, all Americans are free to adopt just about whatever culture they want. You can be a yuppie or a hippie, a puritan or a bed-hopper, a Christian or an athiest, or any of thousands of other things. It's all entirely up to your personal choice.

However, in Iran, you don't have that kind of freedom. You can only be what the muslim clerics want you to be. It's not a culture of freedom - it's a culture of oppression and tyranny.

It's ironic that you once told the story of how you had been bullied as a kid by those religious police, and were glad to be here in America, free of such abuse. And yet, now you defend those very practices from which you escaped...

If Iran is such a great place to live, and America is so horrible, then how come you are here, instead of there?

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So are women completely equal to men in Iranian culture? Or are they just a small step lower?

The simple answer is yes woman are a step lower, just as woman in this country are still a step lower when it comes to pay for exs.


It depends how you look at it.

To some of you who are not familiar with the culture just the fact that woman ware hajob (Islamic cover) is enough for some of you to scream inequality. In my view it is no ware near perfect and has a lot of work to be done, but the same can be said about anywhere.

People who have not lived in a culture or better yet have not been a part of a culture can not understand the mindset of the people who believe in their culture.
Many things that we view as standard are viewed differently there and wise versa. My point is how can you make a judgment of someone else when they live in a different world then you do? It is extremely arrogant to assume that our way is the only way and to be so closed minded to write of something that you have zero familiarity with.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Here are some more modest swimwear places. Note that most don't appear to cater to Muslimas.

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It's not just Muslims who want this. And if people want it, well, isn't that what capitalism is about? Another thing to consider is that this is empowering. If people want to dress modestly, this makes it possible for them to go swimming with everyone else, rather than stand by the sidelines while everyone else is cooling off.

One of the coolest photos I ever saw was of a girl sailboarding in Saudia Arabia. She had on the full abaya, but didn't let it stop her from doing what she wanted to. Now that's going for what you want.

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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People who have not lived in a culture or better yet have not been a part of a culture can not understand the mindset of the people who believe in their culture.

The difference is that if I live there I do not have a choice of whether or not I want to adopt their culture but if they live here they have a choice whether or not they want to adopt my culture.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I also disagree with your statement about democracy. The mullahs have the final say, and bring their wrath down upon those that disagree. They are not elected. When the final say comes from non-elected religious figures with no check or balance to their power - that is not a democracy.

If you want to be picky in this country the president can put you away and throw away the key and you have no right for representation, and no right for a speedy trial.
Off course this gets practiced in Iran much more then here that I will agree with.

The issue for me is when people make fun of something they don’t even understand, or worst hate something they don’t even know any thing about.

What I find funny is this. Our system which most Americans (including my self) complain about no matter if we are talking about are dirty politicians, or if we are talking about our justice system is not so great, yet still we judge other cultures and try to force our views on them.

My biggest issue is when people assume that people are just dying to be like us. We just need to get over our selves.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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please don't become a john and don;t twist my words. I am used to others doing it but not you.

I dont know.. but it certainly seemed that way when PSU... where I went to college.. was known as Persian State University.

MANY of the men coming from those cultures surely acted that way towards American women.. so its NOT just THEIR culture over there...it exported where ever THEY go.

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If Iran is such a great place to live, and America is so horrible, then how come you are here, instead of there?

Trust me John if the majority of Americans had yours or Marks views about Muslims I wouldn’t have come in the first place, and if I did I most likely would have been tortured and killed by now.

Thank God most Americans know better then to judge a whole religions from the actions of a few, thank god most know not to make fun off or judge cultures that are different then there own. At least the people I hang around with seem to get it and they are from all walks of life, and most are Americans.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Please explain what you mean?

Did they go around calling woman whores? Or what?

When you go to Rome you do as the Romans. If they did then they are out of line. As when you live in this country you should respect its cultures and laws.

All i am saying is every one should do that when in someone elses land.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Here are some more modest swimwear places. Note that most don't appear to cater to Muslimas.

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It's not just Muslims who want this. And if people want it, well, isn't that what capitalism is about? Another thing to consider is that this is empowering. If people want to dress modestly, this makes it possible for them to go swimming with everyone else, rather than stand by the sidelines while everyone else is cooling off.

One of the coolest photos I ever saw was of a girl sailboarding in Saudia Arabia. She had on the full abaya, but didn't let it stop her from doing what she wanted to. Now that's going for what you want.

Wendy W.

Thank god Wendy for some reason you always get my point and are able to express it better then I can.


Modesty (that was the word I was looking for) Modesty is valued very high in Iran. I know in this country you might get made fun of or considered a freak if you are modest (iknow of a few girls in school who were modest and they weren't cool enough), but in a different culture what is valued is different then what is valued here.
That’s the whole point.
Thank you Wendy

Oh yea and modesty is considered liberating to woman as they are judged for who they are there brains not their boobs. The same for men judged for what you can do not if you have nice biceps.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Modesty (that was the word I was looking for) Modesty is valued very high in Iran.

Once again, the difference is that in this country people have the choice to be modest or not.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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News:

TEHRAN: Rents are soaring, inflation has been hovering around 17 percent and 10 million Iranians live below the poverty line. The police shut down 20 barbershops for men in Tehran last week because they offered inappropriate hairstyles and women have been banned from riding bicycles in many places, as a crackdown on social freedoms presses on. For months now, average Iranians have endured economic hardship, political repression and international isolation..

Source: Iran seals its doors tighter against the West

More:

Iran hangs 21 criminals in one day

You can't be having any of them there "social freedoms"! Why heck, if you let women ride bicycles, the next thing you know they'll want to vote!

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Modesty (that was the word I was looking for) Modesty is valued very high in Iran.

Once again, the difference is that in this country people have the choice to be modest or not.

Yes that’s because the majority of that country believes so strongly in modesty that they want to make it a law.

Do you think we don’t have laws here that some minorities don’t believe in but we accept to folow?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Here are some more modest swimwear places... It's not just Muslims who want this. And if people want it, well, isn't that what capitalism is about?

The difference is, that here in America you can wear pretty much any kind of bathing suit you want, or even none at all, if you go to the right places.

But in Iran, they don't have that freedom of choice.

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"Iran has hanged 17 convicted drug traffickers in the northeastern Khorasan Razavi province and four other criminals in the southern city of Shiraz, state media said Wednesday."

So now you’re arguing about their drug dealer policy?

In Holland drugs are legal should we make them legal in the US.

Whats your point dude?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Trust me John if the majority of Americans had yours or Marks views about Muslims I wouldn’t have come in the first place, and if I did I most likely would have been tortured and killed by now.

Thank God most Americans know better then to judge a whole religions from the actions of a few, thank god most know not to make fun off or judge cultures that are different then there own. At least the people I hang around with seem to get it and they are from all walks of life, and most are Americans.

You are completely off-target about my views on Muslims.

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Good i hope so because your threads and posts make me feel as if you hate us all

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Looks like a great suit to drown in. Muslim men don't care much for their women anyway, seeing they have no more value than a dog.

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Yes that’s because the majority of that country believes so strongly in modesty that they want to make it a law.

So if the majority of a culture agrees upon something then it is acceptable to impose their belief on the minority. So when the majority of a culture agrees to commit genocide against the minority ... you believe it is acceptable?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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I live and work in an islamic dominated country and I can promise you that the Muslim women LIKE how they are. I understand that Iran enforces the covering of women more than where I am (UAE) but the fact is the locals CHOOSE to wear what they wear and LIKE being what they are.

Of course, sometimes men oppress the women, but name a country that this doesnt happen in. Just because the Muslim culture is not something you understand doesnt mean its wrong. In america or the UK, women are opressed daily and in extreme ways. Just because they dont cover themselves doesnt make it any different.

The unfortunate fact is that many women around the world suffer to men, not just in Islamic countries. I havent been a member long but ive not yet seen a thread on this site about the white trash americans beating the living shit out of their wives when they are drunk. Or is that acceptable as US culture?

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To believe requires evidence
To have faith requires neither.
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I live and work in an islamic dominated country and I can promise you that the Muslim women LIKE how they are. I understand that Iran enforces the covering of women more than where I am (UAE) but the fact is the locals CHOOSE to wear what they wear and LIKE being what they are.

Of course, sometimes men oppress the women, but name a country that this doesnt happen in. Just because the Muslim culture is not something you understand doesnt mean its wrong. In america or the UK, women are opressed daily and in extreme ways. Just because they dont cover themselves doesnt make it any different.

The unfortunate fact is that many women around the world suffer to men, not just in Islamic countries. I havent been a member long but ive not yet seen a thread on this site about the white trash americans beating the living shit out of their wives when they are drunk. Or is that acceptable as US culture?

No, it is not, it is against the law, you actucally get arrested if you beat anyone, even the act of threateaning a woman, can get you a restraining order. What you "forget" to mention in your reply, that the difference is being a matter of choice, and the view that some wife-daughter-female beatings at Islamic law based countries are lawful under and for certain conditions, including death for adultery, while the male population gets better and lighter punishment for the same offences.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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not necessarily.

In a newspaper (the Gulf News) last Thursday I was reading a story where a man (a GCC local) was sent to prison for "whipping" his wife with the cord he wears on his head (sorry, im not sure what the cords are called).

I cant imagine a western man being sent to prison for the same, can you?

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What is happening here is that Muslims are being shoved into a box of extremism. Yes, some Islamic countries are harsh, but to say all Muslims are like that is ignorant to an extreme degree. just as sayin all US teens shoot up schools or all white trash beat their wives.

This thread was intended as a dig at Muslims when the OP clearly knows nothing about the Muslim culture, specifically that it is not all oprression.

To know requires proof
To believe requires evidence
To have faith requires neither.
If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

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I thought about going to search for some of the little euphamisms like slap em around a little to keep em in line.. but I decided not to...