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[wmw999 2,452]

Nah. Brazil would at least be an outlier. 1970's: military dictatorship, torture happens, people disappear, but bikinis were pretty doggone small. The string bikini was developed there not too long afterwards.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Darius11 12]

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No; but you trying to justify or rationalize the treatment of women in places where they are treated as possessions would be like me trying to justify the legalization of child molestation by priests.

And once again from someone who has been there and lived in Iran woman are not treated as possessions they have the same rights as the men do.

The conversation was about how many in the US ASSUME that just because there are modesty laws for all, that the woman have fewer rights. The FACT is the modesty laws exist for all, and as mentioned before being able to show your ass to the whole world is not what equality means at least not in all cultures.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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And once again from someone who has been there and lived in Iran woman are not treated as possessions they have the same rights as the men do.

Does that include the right to be gang-raped under the auspices and good graces of the religious elders?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[JohnRich 4]

News:

Iran Fined $2.65 Billion for Terrorism

"Iran must pay $2.65 billion to the families of the 241 U.S. service members killed in the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut"

Iran hangs 30

"Homosexuality is a capital offence in Iran, along with adultery, espionage, armed robbery, drug trafficking and apostasy."

Note: Apostasy means renouncing your religion.
Once a muslim, always a muslim - or else!

[Darius11 12]

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Does that include the right to be gang-raped under the auspices and good graces of the religious elders?

No thats why that doesn't happen in Iran. Keep tryin

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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News:

Iran Fined $2.65 Billion for Terrorism

"Iran must pay $2.65 billion to the families of the 241 U.S. service members killed in the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut"

Iran hangs 30

"Homosexuality is a capital offence in Iran, along with adultery, espionage, armed robbery, drug trafficking and apostasy."

[edit] Medals awarded
The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of human life but never admitted wrongdoing, accepted responsibility, nor apologised for the incident. Officially, it continues to blame Iranian hostile actions for the incident. The men of the Vincennes were all awarded combat-action ribbons. Lustig, the air-warfare co-ordinator, won the navy’s Commendation Medal for "heroic achievement," noting his "ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire" that enabled him to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure"[16] The Legion of Merit was presented to Rogers and Lustig on 3 July 1988, according to a 23 April 1990 article in The Washington Post. The citations did not mention the Iran Air flight. It should be noted that the Legion of Merit is often awarded to high-ranking officers upon successful completion of especially difficult duty assignments and/or last tours of duty before retirement.

The incident overshadowed U.S.-Iran relations for many years. Following the explosion of Pan Am Flight 103 six months later, the British and American governments initially blamed the PFLP-GC, a Palestinian militant group backed by Syria, with assumptions of assistance from Iran in retaliation for Iran Air Flight 655.[citation needed] The cause of the crash was later determined to be a bomb associated with the Libyan intelligence service.

The Flight 655 incident has often been compared to the downing of Korean Air Flight 007 by the Soviet Air Force in 1983.


[edit] Compensation
On February 22, 1996 the United States agreed to pay Iran US$61.8 million in compensation ($300,000 per wage-earning victim, $150,000 per non-wage-earner) for the 248 Iranians killed in the shootdown, but not for the aircraft, which was estimated to be worth approximately US$30 million. This was an agreed settlement to discontinue a case brought by Iran in 1989 against the U.S. in the International Court of Justice.[17] The payment of compensation was explicitly characterised by the US as being on an ex gratia basis, and the U.S. denied having any responsibility or liability for the incident.


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the United States agreed to pay Iran US$61.8 million in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the shootdown...

Ahhh, so you're another one of those people that doesn't know the difference between intentional acts and accidents.

Or are you claiming that the Beirut truck bomber just accidentally drove through the front door of the Marine barracks and accidentally initiated detonation of a load of explosives which had been accidentally loaded on the truck and accidentally rigged to explode? And how come Iran didn't come forward and voluntarily pay compensation to the victim's families for that "accident", instead of having to drag them through a court, kicking and screaming?

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Does that include the right to be gang-raped under the auspices and good graces of the religious elders?

No thats why that doesn't happen in Iran.

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"When Christian girls are forced to convert, they are usually raped or forced to marry against their will. The All Pakistan Minorities Alliance (APMA) has documented some of these cases. The group reported that in September 2005 a 12-year-old Christian girl, Sara Tabasum, was abducted by neighbors near Rawalpindi. She was raped by three men in the neighbors' home, and told she could be "saved" if she agreed to convert to Islam and married one of the sons of the neighbors. Sara was reportedly raped by a total of 16 men, and as she had not recanted her faith her captors arranged to sell her to a gang.

Shahbaz Bhatti, chairman of the APMA, later said that the 16 men should be prosecuted. He claimed, "This horrific, brutal and shameful act is continuously ignored by government authorities despite of the protests and demands from different organizations and victim family. Even no government authority condemned the incident nor visited the victim's family, which shows insincere and irresponsible behavior of the government to tackle issues of women. As a result of this negligence, incidents of rape, kidnapping, torture, and gang rape are on the rise and the victimized women are begging for justice and protection to save their dignity and honor."

Source: Family Security Matters

There are many more pleasant stories like this one documented in the article.

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Many things that we view as standard are viewed differently there and wise versa. My point is how can you make a judgment of someone else when they live in a different world then you do? It is extremely arrogant to assume that our way is the only way and to be so closed minded to write of something that you have zero familiarity with.

Gee, maybe someone should have preached that message to those who flew the planes into the WTC.

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Oh yea and modesty is considered liberating to woman as they are judged for who they are there brains not their boobs. The same for men judged for what you can do not if you have nice biceps.

Unless, of course, if they are wearing a cross and studying the Bible. Then they are just considered a bunch of backwards thinking prudes. No?

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In america or the UK, women are opressed daily and in extreme ways. Just because they dont cover themselves doesnt make it any different.

You're right. They are forced to take off their clothes and dance around a pole just for us men.

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Yes, some Islamic countries are harsh, but to say all Muslims are like that is ignorant to an extreme degree. just as sayin all US teens shoot up schools or all white trash beat their wives.

Hey now, you can't actually call yourself white trash unless, after a few beers, you smack your woman around a little bit. After all, by God, she asked for it and she enjoyed it.

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That is their culture and frankly who the fuck are we to judge.

What the heck good is Speaker's Corner if we can't judge others, come on now, that is part of the deal.

Muslims obviously judge those among them that don't adhere to their restrictions. You would have us believe that they DON'T judge those across the ocean that do the same, I don't believe it. I don't expect muslims to not judge us, I expect that they will, just as muslims should expect Westerners to judge them. I think it is totally unrealistic to expect otherwise, that is just the simple reality from both sides.

Sharia law wallows in a vast sea of vomit chunks. There, I am being judgemental, I admit it and I'm proud of it. Being judgemental of a culture's traditions/laws is quite different than being racist. The ability for us to be judgemental in this way is extremely important. It happens in both directions. Tough shit to those that attempt to shame the West for such judgements.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Gee, maybe someone should have preached that message to those who flew the planes into the WTC.

The majority of them were Saudi's, which country and its leading family remains a close ally, friend and financier of the Bush Family.

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When you get married someday and have daughters, where would you prefer them to live and grow up: America, or Iran?

The point is, women are more oppressed in Iran, and have more freedom and opportunity in America.

What's your choice?

Darius: you never answered that question, posed to you in message #94. What's the matter? Was that question too tough for you? Do the words stick in your craw and gag you, if you try to admit that America is a better place for women to live, than your native Iran?

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Liberals like to call places with a death penalty names like "barbaric", and condemn the act.

However, when Iran executes 21 people in a single day, suddenly it's okay, because "that's just their culture".

Liberals have so many double-standards, I'm amazed that they're not all cross-eyed from trying to keep up with 'em.

I want to see liberals who condemn the death penalty in America, also condemn the death penalty in Iran. Do any of you have the guts to stand up and do this?

As I expected - no liberals have dared to come forward and admit that Iran is barbaric for their implementation of the death penalty. I gues that only Americans are barbaric for that practice.

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But John, you should not expect an answer on that. He really believes that women in any given sharia law country, is better off than in any western democratic country.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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I want to see liberals who condemn the death penalty in America, also condemn the death penalty in Iran. Do any of you have the guts to stand up and do this?

Thanks for posting that again John, I had missed it.

I'll take a WAG and say most people, like me, who are against the death penalty, are agaisnt it, regardless of which country practices it. It doesnt take a big leap to make that statement IMO.

Remster

[JohnRich 4]

News:

Iran steps up crackdown against 'immoral' activity

Iran is pressing on with one of its toughest moral crackdowns in years, warning tens of thousands of women over slack dress, targeting "immoral" cafes and seizing illegal satellite receivers, local media reported on Monday.

The Iranian police launched the crackdown in April... that encompassed arrests of thugs, raids on underground parties and street checks of improperly dressed individuals.

Police in Tehran province, said that since the drive began police in his region have handed out 113,454 warnings to women found to have infringed Iran's strict Islamic dress rules.

He added that 5,700 people -- including 1,400 men -- have been sent to "guidance classes" on how to behave in society.

Police have been targeting billiard halls and coffee shops -- the latter hugely popular in Tehran as a meeting place for men and women -- as certain establishments promoted immorality. "One of the main grounds for the creation of social and ethical crimes are billiard halls and coffee shops." Police have shut down 3,000 coffee shops and billiard halls...

Watching satellite television is illegal in the Islamic republic as it is deemed to spread decadence... Police had closed down 68 warehouses selling satellite equipment, seized 27,000 receivers and arrested 535 people...

Source: Breitbart

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Darius: you never answered that question, posed to you in message #94. What's the matter? Was that question too tough for you? Do the words stick in your craw and gag you, if you try to admit that America is a better place for women to live, than your native Iran?

Wow John So hostile this morning I know it’s Monday but come one man.

I never shy from a question no matter how obvious the answer is and no matter how you word it to fit your beliefs John. If I remember correctly you’re the one who makes post after post and never acknowledges the many mistakes you often make, not to mention you never answer any questions with an obvious answer if they do not support your agenda.

Here is your answer John

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When you get married someday and have daughters, where would you prefer them to live and grow up: America, or Iran?

I want no kids and will have no kids but if i did i would want them in the USA as i my self live in the USA because it is the land that i love and the land that i call home.
Boy or girl
I would want them to have the freedoms and opportunity that I had by moving here, but I would balance or try to balance a lot of Iranian culture in their life as well. The Iranian culture is something that I am very proud of and no matter if I have a Boy or a Girl (if I ever have kids) I want them to value honor, loyalty, honesty, and decency.


God it would be nice if you answered one of my questions as honestly John who knows you might learn something

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

John they always crack down when they fear that the population might revolt.
I personally have been arrested, shot at, jumped a 2 story building, and had an AK put to my head for things that no one would even notice in the US. Like for having long hair, or chillin whit a few girls in my car.

But all things explained above are not done because of Islam but because of a corrupt government that uses Islam just as other religions have been misused.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Liberals like to call places with a death penalty names like "barbaric", and condemn the act.

However, when Iran executes 21 people in a single day, suddenly it's okay, because "that's just their culture".

Liberals have so many double-standards, I'm amazed that they're not all cross-eyed from trying to keep up with 'em.

I want to see liberals who condemn the death penalty in America, also condemn the death penalty in Iran. Do any of you have the guts to stand up and do this?

As I expected - no liberals have dared to come forward and admit that Iran is barbaric for their implementation of the death penalty. I gues that only Americans are barbaric for that practice.

The death penalty is barbaric PERIOD.

It is to the US's shame that we CHOOSE to be in the company of Iran, N. Korea, Saudi, Cuba, Yemen, Zimbabwe etc. in this respect.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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In the US it's stupid and expensive as implemented (and that's not going to change). Not to mention that whole "oops" possibility.

In Iran it seems to be more arbitrary than in the US, and applied for more offenses. Neither of those is good. But just as I don't call the US barbaric for it, I'll not call the Iranians barbaric for it.

It's probably not as expensive in Iran, though. Because it's faster without all those pesky appeals and rights -- should we maybe strive to be more like Iran in that sense?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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As I expected - no liberals have dared to come forward and admit that Iran is barbaric for their implementation of the death penalty.

THE GOVERNMENT OF IRAN IS BARBARIC FOR THEIR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEATH PENALTY!! AND I SAY THIS AS AN AMERICAN LIBERAL!!

OK, there.

Speed Racer
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[Darius11 12]

Hey John glad every thing so great for Woman in the US.

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Ex-Child Bride Testifies at Jeffs' Trial
ST. GEORGE, Utah (Sept. 14) - A former follower of a polygamous sect leader claims she was acting to preserve her eternal salvation when she obeyed his command and married her cousin at age 14.

Now 21, the woman was married in a 2001 religious ceremony to her 19-year-old cousin, then followed the counsel of Warren Jeffs to submit to her husband "mind, body and soul."

Jeffs, 51, leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, went on trial Thursday on two counts of rape as an accomplice for using his church authority to coerce the marriage.

The bride was the first witness in the trial and was expected to return to the stand Friday.

On Thursday, she testified that Jeffs has long been an authority figure in her life. In 2001, he was a high-ranking church counselor and had been the girl's teacher and principal at an FLDS-run school, teaching children principles of the faith.

In 2002, Jeffs became church president, or "prophet," succeeding his father.

"The prophet was as God to us. He was God on Earth and his counselors were pretty much the same, so they had jurisdiction over us," she said.

The Associated Press generally does not name people alleging sexual abuse.

Prosecutors played a tape of a marriage lesson recorded by Jeffs in 1997 to emphasize the point that obedience by women of the faith was expected.

"Give yourself to him, that means full obedience to righteous principles. No half way, no holding back," Jeffs said on the tape.

The girl first had sex with her cousin about two months after a ceremony in a Nevada motel, according to previous testimony in the case.

The defense is looking to Jeffs' own words to illustrate for jurors that forced sex is not condoned in FLDS culture.

During a 1999 sermon, defense attorney Tara Isaacson said, Jeffs told followers that a "man should only have marital relations with a wife if she invites it."

The girl may not have liked being married to her cousin, but "being unhappy is different from being raped," Isaacson said.

Jeffs, 51, was a fugitive for nearly two years and was on the FBI's Most Wanted list when he was arrested during a traffic stop outside Las Vegas in August 2006. If convicted, he could spend the rest of his life in prison.

Jeffs has led the FLDS church since 2002. Followers see him as a prophet who communicates with God and holds dominion over their salvation; ex-church members say he reigns with an iron fist, demanding perfect obedience from followers.

He is not charged with being a polygamist, and the marriage between the cousins was monogamous. Still, polygamy casts a long shadow over the case.

Polygamy advocates have long contended that the freedom to practice plural marriage as part of their religion is a civil rights matter. Members of FLDS, which broke away from the Mormon church, believe polygamy brings exaltation in heaven.

The practice is banned in the Utah Constitution, though, and it is considered a felony offense. The Mormon church disavowed polygamy in 1890 and excommunicates members found to still be practicing plural marriage.

The trial is expected to last through next week.

http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/ex-child-bride-testifies-at-jeffs-trial/20070913172109990001

What is it with Christians White males and raping children?


You like that John I used a huge brush on that one, Something you are used to, Off course you will fail to see the point and mention the guy is in court but hey I can still try.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain