"Your Papers, Please", Ohio Man Arrested for Refusing to Show Receipt at Circuit City

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Ah yes, another self-educated lawyer. Pointless to argue with those!

It is always nice when the opponent starts talking about your person instead of what you said. In most cases this means the opponent is smart, has a lot of arguments, and obviously has something to say :P

No, what it means is that you find a website where you can look up statutes and suddenly you think you know the ins and outs of the legal system. Pointless to argue once you've crossed that line.
Hey! Why not grab a medical book and remove your own appendix!
Or maybe you just slept at a Holiday Inn Express.

What a retarded position.

You're suggesting that unless a person is a lawyer, they don't have any ability to interpret, or understand the laws that govern them?

How short sighted. If you're a lawyer, it's a pretty snobbish attitude.

No, I am not a lawyer and I don't pretend to be. Lawyers-regardless of what you think of them-spend years studyingthe legal system, it's laws and procedures, how to use them, and how they are interpreted. For someone to read a website and think they know everything about as retarded as someone reading a med book and thinking they can perform an operation. There is a reason people must be licensed to practice law in this country.

You probably trust everything a doctor tells you too.......

I've been around Doctors and Lawyers, and guess what? Alot of them don't know shit.

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You probably trust everything a doctor tells you too.......

I've been around Doctors and Lawyers, and guess what? Alot of them don't know shit.

Amen. I have a doc friend, and knowing him as well as I do, I wouldn't trust him to treat my dog for worms.

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Uhh, yeah. Ok. Whatever you say. Now put down the law books and go back to whatever you were doing before you hurt someone.
I would strongly suggest you do one thing I always do-when in need of legal advice, consult an attorney. "He who represents himself in court has a fool for a client."

I read laws and interpret them all the time in my course of work, and I am no lawyer. My job includes understanding the laws and ensuring we comply with them. Lawyers only get involved if I make a mistake, which thankfully doesn't happen all that often.

Blues,
Dave

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I never said they are 100% correct anymore than I said they are 100% wrong.
There is nothing wrong with taking care of simple legalities on your own, but when your freedom is on the line only a fool would go it alone without the benefit of at least consulting an attorney.

And no, I don't trust everything a doctor tells me. Three of them missdiagnosed me when I broke my back.

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"Being polite" means replying "no, thank you" when they ask to search your bag instead of "go f@ck yourself".

Now this is a great comment.

I wonder what your self-style, individual right's zealots say? I bet they are asses about it and that causes further problems.

How about "Please go f@ck yourself"

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I never said they are 100% correct anymore than I said they are 100% wrong.
There is nothing wrong with taking care of simple legalities on your own, but when your freedom is on the line only a fool would go it alone without the benefit of at least consulting an attorney.

Wasn't there just a senator who pled guilty without consulting an attorney?

I can't believe how many people plead guilty to misdemeanors without even talking to a lawyer, with the public defenders sitting right there in the courtroom waiting to help them for free. All they have to do is ask, and they've been told a few times over that if they want an attorney, to ask and one will be appointed. But they don't ask. And then they show up whining about how they didn't know they'd be on the sex offender list, even though they were told, but all their brain heard was the "no jail time" part, or whining about how they're going to be deported and "didn't know they'd actually do that!" even though the judge told them twice.

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I can't count the money I have saved by seeking an attorney's advice on business matters. Since they spend their lives and make their living picking through the details of the legal system they know of obscure points buried deep in the lawbooks.

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I agree with that 100% and congratulate you on having success in representing yourself. However, yours is an exception and the majority of the population, by far, is better off paying for their legal services.

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From what I see the "majority" is doing pretty well representing themselves at least in small claims courts. Maybe that is YOU who are the exception, and, by far, is better off paying for their legal services - no matter how small?

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yes it is an issue of politeness. That system is in place to partly help reduce the selling price of the electronics in the store.

Then it does not work. At least in Bay Area the prices in the stores which want to check receipts usually are not lower at all than the prices in the stores which do not do so. Even Costco prices are not always the lowest comparing to other local retailers. And if you compare with online retailers, "in order to keep our prices low" sounds like a joke.

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Since as a customer you are benefitting from that system when you make a purchase in that store, it is an issue of politeness to cooperate with that system, even if you legally don't have to.

I think you are misleaded here. If I do not steal anything from the store, how can checking my receipt/bag help them to keep prices low? They would actually have to increase the prices to pay salaries to the people who check bags and receipts.

This is not the issue of politeness. I know that I did not stole anything from the store. Therefore the store has no loss because of me, and it should not affect store prices.

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I agree with that 100% and congratulate you on having success in representing yourself. However, yours is an exception and the majority of the population, by far, is better off paying for their legal services.

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From what I see the "majority" is doing pretty well representing themselves at least in small claims courts. Maybe that is YOU who are the exception, and, by far, is better off paying for their legal services - no matter how small?

You are confusing minor stuff with legal issues that can result in loss of money and freedoms, and maybe gain a person a few days to a few years behind bars. I believe I made that clear. If not, then I am now.
Now, if you have had enough of this petty bickering, maybe you would care to comment on the actual thread. If not then start one of your own.

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You are confusing minor stuff with legal issues that can result in loss of money and freedoms, and maybe gain a person a few days to a few years behind bars.

This is actually the fifth time you are _guessing_ something about what I think or know. Just wonder when you are going to stop your speculations about everyone else?

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I think you are misleaded here. If I do not steal anything from the store, how can checking my receipt/bag help them to keep prices low? They would actually have to increase the prices to pay salaries to the people who check bags and receipts.

There is a difference between: Me, Me, Me and looking at things on a somewhat grander scale.

Actually it does work in electronics. Margins are now so low many competitors (Radio Shack for instance) are having extremely tough times competing.

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There is a difference between: Me, Me, Me and looking at things on a somewhat grander scale.

I do look at things on a somewhat grander scale. What I see is kinda scary - the people are actually willing (and trying to convince others!) to give up important rights just in hope to save a few bucks.

So how far are you willing to go to help the store to lower the costs of operation to get a lower price? Paying cash, because credit card transactions cost the store 1-3% of the transaction amount? Provide the store your email address and ads preferences, so they could send the ads directly to the customers, saving money on advertising?

I start thinking that Bill's assumption was correct, and if a store has a policy that you have to take it in the ass in order to get a much lower price, not only the store would still have the customers - there would probably be a line!

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Actually it does work in electronics. Margins are now so low many competitors (Radio Shack for instance) are having extremely tough times competing.

My friend worked in Fry's Electronics, and therefore could buy anything there with "only" 10% store margin. Looking through the list of things we've bought I can say the store margin is NEVER less than 15-25% (well, maybe less for Plasma TVs). And for most items cheaper than $100 is around 75-300% - and no, I'm not kidding, the RCA connector which you pay 3.99 for, costs 70 cents with 10% margin.

The problem with retailers is not that their margins are low. They are not. The problem is that their operational costs are too high.

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