normiss 851
"Your Papers, Please", Ohio Man Arrested for Refusing to Show Receipt at Circuit City
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The bag and its contents were his personal property the instant he handed over the money.
Should he have the right to inspect Circuit City's cash registers because they contain cash that was his a few moments before?
I think you are going a bit extreme on your sway here. If you have ever worked in a retail big box store you would be familiar that they have to build in to their daily numbers lost revenue from missing merchandise. In some of the bigger stores this amount of shrink can match the total daily revenue of smaller stores. For a company like Circuit City this does result in multiple millions of dollars lost every year.
I worked at Best Buy after college for a few years and would have to work Loss Prevention while the security guy went on lunch. The thefts that happen right in plain very are numerous. People have makeshift ways of disabling security tags and hiding merchandise in plain view. Some even bring in their own store branded bags to smuggle things out.
These stores can only prosecute someone for theft once they pass the cash registers and before they leave the store. The corporate lawyers cannot show intent unless their is video with that proof. Once the customer is out the door, the company has taken a loss.
In addition to this, these stores have a repair shop where broken items come in and out quite often during the day.
Thus, the only way to prove that someone is leaving with their merchandise is to show a receipt with the date on it (the repair shops issue one as well for this reason).
If these big box stores did not perform this, the amount of shrink would increase and only two options exist from there 1) Go out of business 2) Extended the loss to the customers. There is nothing illegal that I know of that prevents them from asking for proof of purchase before you leave. If you don't like it, order online and never go into a retail shop again.
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Zipp0 1
QuoteThere is nothing illegal that I know of that prevents them from asking for proof of purchase before you leave.
Oh sure, they can go ahead and ask all they want. Fuck, I can ask them to show me a copy of the Magna Carta on my way out the door, if I want. I doubt they are going to produce a copy though.
And what good is a receipt anyway? Buy a few CD's and then re-enter the store and steal the same ones to sell on eBay - Here's my receipt, no problema!
Maybe they should strip search eveyone on the way out. I would be OK with that as long as they had some hot cheerleader type and she was mandated to search my underpants, repeatedly. Otherwise, piss off.
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normiss 851
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Oh sure, they can go ahead and ask all they want. Fuck, I can ask them to show me a copy of the Magna Carta on my way out the door, if I want. I doubt they are going to produce a copy though.
And what good is a receipt anyway? Buy a few CD's and then re-enter the store and steal the same ones to sell on eBay - Here's my receipt, no problema!
Maybe they should strip search eveyone on the way out. I would be OK with that as long as they had some hot cheerleader type and she was mandated to search my underpants, repeatedly. Otherwise, piss off.
They don't do a strip search, they call the cops, you are arrested and searched there. The store is private property, not a public gather spot, and they have the right to protect their store up to the point you walk out the door. In the bigger stores, esp around the holidays, this is nearly a daily occurance. The Loss Prevention checkpoint is there just for that, to prevent loss. Remember, you have a choice here if you don't like the rules, don't shop there. But really, give me a fucking break that showing your receipt matters that much to you. Clearly this is a huge issue. Big Box stores are a police state, right? Whatever.
Oh, and that is the reason why the mark your receipt on the way out, so you can't just keep walking in and out of Circuit City all day with the same purchase. Yet another reason why they ask for the paper before you leave.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
It still stands that by law to detain you they must have viewed you actually attempting to steal things and then they still cant detain you against your will. They can not touch, nor block you from leaving, they can call the cops.
Guy will win, and probably get a public apology just like the others that I saw online... from walmart, to target, to some tiger store.
Guy will win, and probably get a public apology just like the others that I saw online... from walmart, to target, to some tiger store.
Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteThe bag and its contents were his personal property the instant he handed over the money.
Yup, but you need the receipt to show that he actually handed over the money. On top of that big box stores like circuit city have pay registers through out the store and not just in one centralized area.
I don't understand what the issue is with showing your receipt if asked? Don't like it, don't shop there.
QuoteThe store is private property, not a public gather spot, and they have the right to protect their store up to the point you walk out the door.
My house is private property too. I don't have the right to search any of my guests before they leave just because they came on my property.
Do you think a store has the right to search someone who came in and didn't purchase anything?
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteIt still stands that by law to detain you they must have viewed you actually attempting to steal things and then they still cant detain you against your will. They can not touch, nor block you from leaving, they can call the cops.
No citizens arrest in the US?
QuoteIt still stands that by law to detain you they must have viewed you actually attempting to steal things and then they still cant detain you against your will. They can not touch, nor block you from leaving, they can call the cops.
Guy will win, and probably get a public apology just like the others that I saw online... from walmart, to target, to some tiger store.
So how would you feel about this guy if he had stole something? Still gonna fight for his "freedom"? Maybe let him rob your house, steal from your favorite store over and over and then look all bewildered why shit costs so much?
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Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
QuoteQuoteThe store is private property, not a public gather spot, and they have the right to protect their store up to the point you walk out the door.
My house is private property too. I don't have the right to search any of my guests before they leave just because they came on my property.
Do you think a store has the right to search someone who came in and didn't purchase anything?
They can't search you, but they can call the cops and ask you to wait for them, esp if the LP guy is a cop. At least here in Chicago they can, and I saw it happen while I worked at Best Buy in the early 90s. You just call the local PD and tell them you may have a possible theft and they tell you to keep the person in the store till they get there.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe store is private property, not a public gather spot, and they have the right to protect their store up to the point you walk out the door.
My house is private property too. I don't have the right to search any of my guests before they leave just because they came on my property.
Do you think a store has the right to search someone who came in and didn't purchase anything?
They can't search you, but they can call the cops and ask you to wait for them, esp if the LP guy is a cop. At least here in Chicago they can, and I saw it happen while I worked at Best Buy in the early 90s. You just call the local PD and tell them you may have a possible theft and they tell you to keep the person in the store till they get there.
How about if I walk into CC with a Best Buy bag? You think they have the right to ask for my BB reciept?
billvon 3,072
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>so you can't just keep walking in and out of Circuit City all day with the same purchase.
Why can't you do that? I would think that someone returning to the store to get something else would be encouraged.
Why can't you do that? I would think that someone returning to the store to get something else would be encouraged.
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How about if I walk into CC with a Best Buy bag? You think they have the right to ask for my BB reciept?
They have a policy to place a security tag on your bag or they ask you to check the bag in. This isn't just big box stores that do this.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
Quote>so you can't just keep walking in and out of Circuit City all day with the same purchase.
Why can't you do that? I would think that someone returning to the store to get something else would be encouraged.
It was in reply to what he said before about using the same receipt to steal the same merchandise several times in one day. They mark them to show you have already exited before with that purchase. If you did a trade in on something, a 2nd receipt is given to you for that with the changes noted.
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
normiss 851
once they have probable cause...until then fuck off and leave me and my receipt alone.
QuoteSo how would you feel about this guy if he had stole something?
Thats not the case though, he flat out asked, am I accused of stealing and they told him no. Had he stolen property then they should still follow the law.
QuoteStill gonna fight for his "freedom"?
Everyday people have evidence thrown out of court because the evidence was not aquired legally. I would rather set one thief free then to be automatically accused of theft because I choose to go to the store nearest me.
QuoteMaybe let him rob your house
The point is he was not caught stealing nor was he thought to have stolen anything, the store stated that.
Quotesteal from your favorite store over and over and then look all bewildered why shit costs so much?
No actually I dont, I shop cheap therefore I have no need to complain. Id rather pay extra for a teeshirt or batteries then live accused
Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this
If having freedoms as an American citizen bother you so much and you're so willing to forfeit them simply because it's convenient, why not just go live somewhere else?
It's a much deeper issue than simply becoming a submissive sheep at the exit of any store. That some people miss that is what is truly bothersome and scary.
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