warpedskydiver 0 #126 September 17, 2007 Ok if you say so, since you are the only one who knows anything at all, about everything. Since you are always right and can see no other viewpoint, there is no need to discuss this issue any further, or any other for that matter. From now on I shall never debate you on anything, because if I say it it must be wrong (in your mind) So from now on, argue all by yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #127 September 17, 2007 >Doing nothing but lining your pockets, and benefitting from the >efforts of others, has no honor in it. Nor is serving in an immoral war. There is no more honor serving on a military fighting an immoral war than there is honor in serving on a jury and freeing a guilty man (or condemning an innocent one.) Yes, in both cases you are serving your country. Doesn't make everything you do right in either case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #128 September 17, 2007 QuoteOk if you say so, since you are the only one who knows anything at all, about everything. Since you are always right and can see no other viewpoint, there is no need to discuss this issue any further, or any other for that matter. Still talking to the mirror, I see. Why exactly do you think the 1st Amendment came first? You recall the French and Indian War that proceeded the Revolution by a short interval? There has to be more choices then fight a wrong war, or leave and fight for the other side. And are you claiming that the people that built up Silicon Valley in the 60s and 70s didn't serve their country, and quite well? This isn't Sparta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #129 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote Well if they stayed in Germany, reaping the benefits that were provided to them by the rise of the Nazi Party, and of the benefits provided to them as the result of the conquering of other nations, then YES. If you choose not to fight for what is right, but simply stay, and condone what is going on then you are not honorable. Either fight when called, or leave and fight against a regime. Doing nothing but lining your pockets, and benefitting from the efforts of others, has no honor in it. Why the fuck are you talking about war profiteering? It seemed like he was talking about the benefits to the average citizen of an expansionist country. At least your tone is civil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #130 September 17, 2007 QuoteIt seemed like he was talking about the benefits to the average citizen of an expansionist country. At least your tone is civil. It was a transparent attempt to change the focus of the discussion and deserved the reply it got. Course I'd expect you to be on the side of someone trying to dodge a straight question.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #131 September 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteBTW please point out how Cassius Clay distinguished himself as being of the same sort of brave, selfless, and skilled individual, approaching the level of other fine black americans as the Tuskeegee Airmen, and many others who distingushed themselves when called to duty. Who is this Cassius Clay you speak of. That would be the son born to Mr. And Mrs. Clay, who later decided to change his name in order to sound more Islamic. I guess the name he was given was not good enough for him. Would that apply to most married women too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #132 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote BTW please point out how Cassius Clay distinguished himself as being of the same sort of brave, selfless, and skilled individual, approaching the level of other fine black americans as the Tuskeegee Airmen, and many others who distingushed themselves when called to duty. Who is this Cassius Clay you speak of. That would be the son born to Mr. And Mrs. Clay, who later decided to change his name in order to sound more Islamic. I guess the name he was given was not good enough for him. Would that apply to most married women too? No. That is completely different. See if you can figure out how it's different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #133 September 17, 2007 >See if you can figure out how it's different. Of course it's different! It's a woman. They're supposed to be known by their husbands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #134 September 17, 2007 QuoteOk if you say so, since you are the only one who knows anything at all, about everything. Since you are always right and can see no other viewpoint, there is no need to discuss this issue any further, or any other for that matter. From now on I shall never debate you on anything, because if I say it it must be wrong (in your mind) So from now on, argue all by yourself. Ahhh now you drop any hint of the subtle hyperbole, since I won't play by your rules. You now feel the need to heap it on. Nice example of what your whining about. Any person so ignorant as to suggest that in the 60's Ali was playing the "race card" is beneath me wasting my "breath" on them. You are close to being right about one thing. I don't know everything, but next to you I'm sure it seems like I do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #135 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I guess the name he was given was not good enough for him. Would that apply to most married women too? No. That is completely different. See if you can figure out how it's different. So what about them hollywood actors taking stage names? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #136 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote BTW please point out how Cassius Clay distinguished himself as being of the same sort of brave, selfless, and skilled individual, approaching the level of other fine black americans as the Tuskeegee Airmen, and many others who distingushed themselves when called to duty. Who is this Cassius Clay you speak of. That would be the son born to Mr. And Mrs. Clay, who later decided to change his name in order to sound more Islamic. I guess the name he was given was not good enough for him. Would that apply to most married women too? No. That is completely different. See if you can figure out how it's different. Different or not I have a very hard time seeing why it's wrong in the first place.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #137 September 18, 2007 Perhaps the term "Poseur" is relevant. Perhaps not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #138 September 18, 2007 Quote Perhaps the term "Poseur" is relevant. Perhaps not. Not. Would anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #139 September 18, 2007 >Would anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun? That's COMPLETELY different. I mean, everyone knows that women don't get to keep their names and can't be priests. That's just civilized. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #140 September 18, 2007 Quote >Would anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun? That's COMPLETELY different. I mean, everyone knows that women don't get to keep their names and can't be priests. That's just civilized. It's those kinds of ideals that America was founded on!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #141 September 18, 2007 QuoteWould anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun? Who's bitching? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #142 September 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteWould anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun? Who's bitching? Warpedskydiver is evidently not too happy about it. Then again he seems to think its better to invade Poland than stand up for one's principles so I probably shouldn't take him too seriously.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #143 September 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Would anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun? Who's bitching? Warpedskydiver is evidently not too happy about it. Then again he seems to think its better to invade Poland than stand up for one's principles so I probably shouldn't take him too seriously. Speaking of hyperbole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #144 September 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Would anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun? Who's bitching? Warpedskydiver is evidently not too happy about it. Then again he seems to think its better to invade Poland than stand up for one's principles so I probably shouldn't take him too seriously. Speaking of hyperbole. What hyperbole? He has spelled out quite clearly that in his opinion answering the draught is more important than political protest, even in Nazi Germany.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #145 September 18, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Would anyone be bitching about it if he was a nun? Who's bitching? Warpedskydiver is evidently not too happy about it. Then again he seems to think its better to invade Poland than stand up for one's principles so I probably shouldn't take him too seriously. Speaking of hyperbole. What hyperbole? He has spelled out quite clearly that in his opinion answering the draught is more important than political protest, even in Nazi Germany. If you say so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #146 September 18, 2007 Quote What hyperbole? He has spelled out quite clearly that in his opinion answering the draught is more important than political protest, even in Nazi Germany. The right beer trumps everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #147 September 18, 2007 Sounds like a job for the McKenzie Brothers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #148 September 19, 2007 Quote ...answering the draught is more important... Absolutely. After all, it is almost time for the Oktoberfest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
