Tonto 1 #101 October 3, 2007 Thread drift... No directed at you. I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #102 October 3, 2007 QuoteI'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? t I don't think it is a reasonable comparison. The war in Vietnam lasted at least three times longer, spanned the administrations of several war Presidents, and still got them nowhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #103 October 3, 2007 Quote Quote I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? t I don't think it is a reasonable comparison. The war in Vietnam lasted at least three times longer, spanned the administrations of several war Presidents, and still got them nowhere. History repeats it self maybe?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #104 October 3, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? t I don't think it is a reasonable comparison. The war in Vietnam lasted at least three times longer, spanned the administrations of several war Presidents, and still got them nowhere. History repeats it self maybe? Well as far as getting nowhere is concerned, I agree with Tonto. Can choppers land on the roof of the embassy building in Baghdad ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #105 October 3, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? t I don't think it is a reasonable comparison. The war in Vietnam lasted at least three times longer, spanned the administrations of several war Presidents, and still got them nowhere. History repeats it self maybe? Well as far as getting nowhere is concerned, I agree with Tonto. Can choppers land on the roof of the embassy building in Baghdad ? I will agree to some extent that we aren't where we hoped to be at this time, but we are far from having made no progress whatsoever. Do people honestly think that this tribal/ethnic fighting was non-existent under SH? It's bee around for quite a long time, SH only intervened when it either affected his tribe(the Al-tikriti tribe) or it was directed against his regime. People just didn't know about it because this place was crawling with media. Despite what the media is pumping out there has been a huge change in the way this country is headed over the last few years, yes we have had some setbacks but as a whole this country is moving in the right direction. I'm sorry if it hurts everyone's feelings to hear the US soldiers are dying over here, while others seem not so much hurt by the news but still like to use it as an argument to validate their position that this is a hopeless mess, but last time I checked our job as servicemembers of the US military is to make sacrifices to try and help those who cannot help themselves. If we aren't here to act as a buffer while steps are taken to rectify the situation then everyone will just be bitching about how even more civilians are getting killed. We're the ones over here getting shot at and as crappy as this place is we are taking it in stride while everyone back home does 10x the complaining we do. Things are changing for the better, trust me, I've seen it with my own eyes over the course of 3 tours here since this little adventure kicked off.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #106 October 3, 2007 Quote I think it's more productive to focus on the current situation and how to make the best of it, instead of dwelling on how we got here. If there is something to be learned from the bad policies that got us here, then we should incorporate those lessons in future actions, but the chronic finger pointing is completely unproductive. I agree that we need to find a good way out of this mess and to learn from past mistakes. But you start by holding those responsible accountable. Fortunately many of them have left the administration already but they've basically been allowed to wash their hands of the fiasco that they created. There are still a few left who are still calling the shots, even though all of their past decisions have led to failure. Fire them. Provide some sort of formal punishment. And then move on. Getting out of this mess includes restoring favorable relations with our allies and the US image that this administration has severely tarnished. Accountability for our mistakes would do a long way towards that end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #107 October 3, 2007 QuoteI agree that we need to find a good way out of this mess and to learn from past mistakes.All of this crying about not learning from past mistakes. Apparently, some of us haven't learned anything from the policy of appeasment, pre WW2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #108 October 3, 2007 QuoteThread drift... No directed at you. I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? t Are you actually confused? I don't think so, you know what is happening as do I. There are many in our country as well as the EU, that do not want this war to end in a victory for the US/UK. If there were the resolve to fight this war on the scale of WWII, this would have been over in a month. You see, the problem is not all on our side want us to win. Politics comes first for many. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #109 October 3, 2007 I'm not wandering around in a daze, or anything, but I think maybe it's time just to get out? Fine. The US/UK government thought there was a threat that maybe wasn't as big as they thought it was. They bashed Saddam. Why are they still there? There's no "nation building" going on, and things are not stable anyway, so I just don't get it. Leaving Vietnam was a disaster, but in the end it simply didn't matter, and getting out was the right thing to do. When do you think that point, or victory (whatever that means) will occur? If the Iraqi government asks Blackwater to leave, and they don't, how long do you think the US will have a side to be on? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #110 October 3, 2007 QuoteThe war in Vietnam lasted at least three times longer, spanned the administrations of several war Presidents, and still got them nowhere. I just see a real good reason not to elect Presidents from Texas who start bogus wars to apease their macho self image. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #111 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteI agree that we need to find a good way out of this mess and to learn from past mistakes.All of this crying about not learning from past mistakes. Apparently, some of us haven't learned anything from the policy of appeasment, pre WW2. And others can't seem to remember what happened to the Roman Empire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #112 October 3, 2007 QuoteAre you actually confused? I don't think so, you know what is happening as do I. There are many in our country as well as the EU, that do not want this war to end in a victory for the US/UK. Do you have a tiny memory? Was it the opposition who failed to plan for a hostile insurgency, or was it Bush's own staff who pushed the rhetoric that we'd be met with flowers?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #113 October 3, 2007 Was it the opposition who failed to plan for a hostile insurgency, or was it Bush's own staff who pushed the rhetoric that we'd be met with flowers? Quote And who in the opposition was screaming about having to prepare for an insurgency before it happened, it seems that all the politicians who didn't really want to go just went along with the "cool crowd" and then when things went awry started screaming "I told you this was a bad idea from the beginning, I knew all along that this would happen". Both sides should be ashamed of themselves for the mess we are in.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #114 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI agree that we need to find a good way out of this mess and to learn from past mistakes.All of this crying about not learning from past mistakes. Apparently, some of us haven't learned anything from the policy of appeasment, pre WW2. And others can't seem to remember what happened to the Roman Empire. And some do...(bolding mine) Quote"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome." -Robert Heinlein, 'To Sail Beyond The Sunset"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #115 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteI agree that we need to find a good way out of this mess and to learn from past mistakes.All of this crying about not learning from past mistakes. Apparently, some of us haven't learned anything from the policy of appeasment, pre WW2. You're thinking of Neville Chamberlain, I assume? The policy of appeasement towards a country that illegally invaded another country? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #116 October 3, 2007 Quote You're thinking of Neville Chamberlain, I assume? The policy of appeasement towards a country that illegally invaded another country? Toche! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #117 October 3, 2007 QuoteBoth sides should be ashamed of themselves for the mess we are in. You aren't playing with them correctly. 1 side (insert their party here) - SHOULD be ashamed of everything they did and will do for that matter the other side (insert your party here) - should be commended for trying to do the "right" thing, with the right nuance, under very contrary and unfair opposition completely devoted to evil. Now, if you are not affiliated with either political American Party - then - both sides should be ashamed, but what can you expect, they are all stupid and fat. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #118 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuote And some do...(bolding mine) Quote"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome." -Robert Heinlein, 'To Sail Beyond The Sunset" ....and a weakened military, inflation, hoarding, trade defict, looted treasury, self pollution, military spending, political corruption....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #119 October 3, 2007 Quote"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome." There's no basis to that quote. The Roman democracy was toppled 500 years before Rome itself fell. If you can take any lesson from the Fall of Rome it's the perils of trying to administer and defend a bloated foreign Empire with an overloaded bureaucracy and overstretched, mercenary heavy army.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #120 October 3, 2007 QuoteThread drift... No directed at you. I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? WWII involved millions of troops with a clear enemy and a clear objective (Berlin). The US forces tooks mere weeks to accomplish the same with Bagdad back in 2003. Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #121 October 3, 2007 Quote Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. But that's my point. The axis powers never wanted to be occupied after the war, but they were, and it wasn't this kind of clusterfuck. Why is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #122 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuote Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. But that's my point. The axis powers never wanted to be occupied after the war, but they were, and it wasn't this kind of clusterfuck. Why is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? t Though leftist muckrackers would claim otherwise, Iraq hasn't been destroyed to the extend that Germany (and Europe in general) was. And again, Iraq is not a single nation of people - it has at least 3 who are fighting each other as well as the American forces. That has no resemblance to Germany or Japan in 1945. Those people were done with fighting. They didn't vote for WWII. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #123 October 3, 2007 QuoteThough leftist muckrackers would claim otherwise, Iraq hasn't been destroyed to the extend that Germany (and Europe in general) was. Who would? Names and quotes. Also, are you suggesting that if Iraq had been more detroyed there would be less hostility?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #124 October 3, 2007 Quote Who would? Names and quotes. Also, are you suggesting that if Iraq had been more detroyed there would be less hostility? There's no shortage of articles talking about how the US is killing hundreds of thousands and blowing up their milk factories. My focus has really been on the unity factor, but the secondary point was that Germany was too badly destroyed for people to want to make a fight out of it. The point of the surge seems to be to try to catch up in that direction. I think it will be effective until it ends, and then a large reversal will occur. US forces can't engage in total war because that whole 'destroying the village in order to save it' approach got outmoded 40 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #125 October 4, 2007 QuoteWhy is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? Because the Iraqi Govt. wants us there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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mnealtx 0 #114 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI agree that we need to find a good way out of this mess and to learn from past mistakes.All of this crying about not learning from past mistakes. Apparently, some of us haven't learned anything from the policy of appeasment, pre WW2. And others can't seem to remember what happened to the Roman Empire. And some do...(bolding mine) Quote"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome." -Robert Heinlein, 'To Sail Beyond The Sunset"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #115 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteI agree that we need to find a good way out of this mess and to learn from past mistakes.All of this crying about not learning from past mistakes. Apparently, some of us haven't learned anything from the policy of appeasment, pre WW2. You're thinking of Neville Chamberlain, I assume? The policy of appeasement towards a country that illegally invaded another country? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #116 October 3, 2007 Quote You're thinking of Neville Chamberlain, I assume? The policy of appeasement towards a country that illegally invaded another country? Toche! tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #117 October 3, 2007 QuoteBoth sides should be ashamed of themselves for the mess we are in. You aren't playing with them correctly. 1 side (insert their party here) - SHOULD be ashamed of everything they did and will do for that matter the other side (insert your party here) - should be commended for trying to do the "right" thing, with the right nuance, under very contrary and unfair opposition completely devoted to evil. Now, if you are not affiliated with either political American Party - then - both sides should be ashamed, but what can you expect, they are all stupid and fat. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #118 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuote And some do...(bolding mine) Quote"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome." -Robert Heinlein, 'To Sail Beyond The Sunset" ....and a weakened military, inflation, hoarding, trade defict, looted treasury, self pollution, military spending, political corruption....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #119 October 3, 2007 Quote"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome." There's no basis to that quote. The Roman democracy was toppled 500 years before Rome itself fell. If you can take any lesson from the Fall of Rome it's the perils of trying to administer and defend a bloated foreign Empire with an overloaded bureaucracy and overstretched, mercenary heavy army.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #120 October 3, 2007 QuoteThread drift... No directed at you. I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? WWII involved millions of troops with a clear enemy and a clear objective (Berlin). The US forces tooks mere weeks to accomplish the same with Bagdad back in 2003. Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #121 October 3, 2007 Quote Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. But that's my point. The axis powers never wanted to be occupied after the war, but they were, and it wasn't this kind of clusterfuck. Why is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #122 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuote Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. But that's my point. The axis powers never wanted to be occupied after the war, but they were, and it wasn't this kind of clusterfuck. Why is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? t Though leftist muckrackers would claim otherwise, Iraq hasn't been destroyed to the extend that Germany (and Europe in general) was. And again, Iraq is not a single nation of people - it has at least 3 who are fighting each other as well as the American forces. That has no resemblance to Germany or Japan in 1945. Those people were done with fighting. They didn't vote for WWII. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #123 October 3, 2007 QuoteThough leftist muckrackers would claim otherwise, Iraq hasn't been destroyed to the extend that Germany (and Europe in general) was. Who would? Names and quotes. Also, are you suggesting that if Iraq had been more detroyed there would be less hostility?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #124 October 3, 2007 Quote Who would? Names and quotes. Also, are you suggesting that if Iraq had been more detroyed there would be less hostility? There's no shortage of articles talking about how the US is killing hundreds of thousands and blowing up their milk factories. My focus has really been on the unity factor, but the secondary point was that Germany was too badly destroyed for people to want to make a fight out of it. The point of the surge seems to be to try to catch up in that direction. I think it will be effective until it ends, and then a large reversal will occur. US forces can't engage in total war because that whole 'destroying the village in order to save it' approach got outmoded 40 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #125 October 4, 2007 QuoteWhy is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? Because the Iraqi Govt. wants us there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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jakee 1,500 #119 October 3, 2007 Quote"Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader--the barbarians enter Rome." There's no basis to that quote. The Roman democracy was toppled 500 years before Rome itself fell. If you can take any lesson from the Fall of Rome it's the perils of trying to administer and defend a bloated foreign Empire with an overloaded bureaucracy and overstretched, mercenary heavy army.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #120 October 3, 2007 QuoteThread drift... No directed at you. I'm still confused how the US could finish WW2 in 3 years and 8 months, and have been in this conflict for 3 years and 7 months and seriously, has got nowhere. Nowhere. Surely the idea behind being a "War President" means winning a war more than it means just starting a war? WWII involved millions of troops with a clear enemy and a clear objective (Berlin). The US forces tooks mere weeks to accomplish the same with Bagdad back in 2003. Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #121 October 3, 2007 Quote Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. But that's my point. The axis powers never wanted to be occupied after the war, but they were, and it wasn't this kind of clusterfuck. Why is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #122 October 3, 2007 QuoteQuote Since then, it is an occupation by people who don't want to be occupied, and who aren't one single, identifiable faction. But that's my point. The axis powers never wanted to be occupied after the war, but they were, and it wasn't this kind of clusterfuck. Why is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? t Though leftist muckrackers would claim otherwise, Iraq hasn't been destroyed to the extend that Germany (and Europe in general) was. And again, Iraq is not a single nation of people - it has at least 3 who are fighting each other as well as the American forces. That has no resemblance to Germany or Japan in 1945. Those people were done with fighting. They didn't vote for WWII. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #123 October 3, 2007 QuoteThough leftist muckrackers would claim otherwise, Iraq hasn't been destroyed to the extend that Germany (and Europe in general) was. Who would? Names and quotes. Also, are you suggesting that if Iraq had been more detroyed there would be less hostility?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #124 October 3, 2007 Quote Who would? Names and quotes. Also, are you suggesting that if Iraq had been more detroyed there would be less hostility? There's no shortage of articles talking about how the US is killing hundreds of thousands and blowing up their milk factories. My focus has really been on the unity factor, but the secondary point was that Germany was too badly destroyed for people to want to make a fight out of it. The point of the surge seems to be to try to catch up in that direction. I think it will be effective until it ends, and then a large reversal will occur. US forces can't engage in total war because that whole 'destroying the village in order to save it' approach got outmoded 40 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #125 October 4, 2007 QuoteWhy is Iraq occupied? The bad guy is dead. His sons are dead. Why does it go on? Because the Iraqi Govt. wants us there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
