billvon 3,006 #126 October 4, 2007 >Because the Iraqi Govt. wants us there. But the Iraqis don't. Does that matter at all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #127 October 4, 2007 Quote>Because the Iraqi Govt. wants us there. But the Iraqis don't. Does that matter at all? The Iraqis elected their own leaders. If they don't like their performance, they can vote them out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #128 October 4, 2007 >The Iraqis elected their own leaders. Yes - and we control them. If they elect new leaders we will control them as well. Our government has suggested several times that we will replace the PM if he does not show sufficient progress, so clearly it's not a matter of the Iraqi people electing someone to represent them. So I'll ask again - does it matter at all if the Iraqis don't want us there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #129 October 4, 2007 Quote>The Iraqis elected their own leaders. Yes - and we control them. If they elect new leaders we will control them as well. Our government has suggested several times that we will replace the PM if he does not show sufficient progress, so clearly it's not a matter of the Iraqi people electing someone to represent them. So I'll ask again - does it matter at all if the Iraqis don't want us there? Most American would like to pay no taxes. Does that mean we should do as they wish? If most Americans wanted the govt. to by them a new Lexus, do you think we should indulge them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #130 October 4, 2007 <> That argument is so over used. Like us, not immediately. They'd have to wait for an election. They cann't just turf them out next week, can they? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #131 October 4, 2007 Quote<> That argument is so over used. Like us, not immediately. They'd have to wait for an election. They cann't just turf them out next week, can they? Nope, nor should they be able to in a Democracy. You vote for a Politician, you are stuck with him until the next election. Of course they might be able to impeach, but I haven't heard of many Iraqi politicians demanding the US leave. OTOH, I have heard people like Sadr and Iran, who clearly have an agenda they can't move forward with, stirring people up with lies. Are those the people you are talking about who want to turf them out? . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #132 October 4, 2007 QuoteThose people were done with fighting. Not all of them, it seems, http://www.command-post.org/oped/2_archives/007763.html tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #133 October 4, 2007 <> .... But aren't you suggesting that if you dont like their performance, you should vote them out? But you can't so catch-22. Of course the other way is the Candidate Overturn and Update Policy, as sponsored by agencies, like for example the CIA..... <> - Of course not ..... the US, at the very least, signed off on their election. <> - What? Politicians lieing? Say it aint so. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #134 October 4, 2007 QuoteQuote>Because the Iraqi Govt. wants us there. But the Iraqis don't. Does that matter at all? The Iraqis elected their own leaders. If they don't like their performance, they can vote them out. You would think having become accustomed to 'rushmc' and 'NCclimber' I couldn't possibly experience a new low in American stupidity but once again speakers corner you have come through with the goods... ...and I will take my one warning now Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #135 October 4, 2007 Quotea new low in American stupidity As opposed to European stupidity, such as calling troops "terrorists"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #136 October 4, 2007 QuoteQuotea new low in American stupidity As opposed to European stupidity, such as calling troops "terrorists"? Who is it that wants to call the Revolutionary Guard terrorists? Or is it only stupid to call western troops terrorists?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #137 October 4, 2007 QuoteQuotea new low in American stupidity As opposed to European stupidity, such as calling troops "terrorists"? I'm not European but if you had even a shred of understanding regarding the ideas for what constitutes terrorism you would easily understand why soldiers of a nation state can be considered terrorists. Unless 'war crimes' are not one of the highest forms of terrorism then I guess we can excuse you. Other wise we will have to assume you are a racist because your idea of a terrorist must be limited to a dynamite vest and a berka sporting wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #138 October 4, 2007 It's would be interesting to see how the post WW2 Nuremberg trials would be considered in the light of todays definitions. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #139 October 4, 2007 Quote>Because the Iraqi Govt. wants us there. But the Iraqis don't. Does that matter at all? Wow Bill, I was unaware you had the capability to read every Iraqi's mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #140 October 4, 2007 Quote<> .... But aren't you suggesting that if you dont like their performance, you should vote them out? But you can't so catch-22. You are misunderstanding. They can vote them out in the next election. What they can't do is toss them out without due process. QuoteOf course the other way is the Candidate Overturn and Update Policy, as sponsored by agencies, like for example the CIA..... Hopefully you aren't resorting to "I have some double secret special insider knowledge". Quote<> - Of course not ..... the US, at the very least, signed off on their election. So all those purple thumbs were just staged by the CIA? Please share your insider knowledge with us. Quote<> - What? Politicians lieing? Say it aint so. Exactly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #141 October 4, 2007 Quote ...and I will take my one warning now Billvon Somehow, I think after calling me stupid and Nealtx a Racist in 2 posts one right after another added to your history of PA, you are going to get a little more than a warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #142 October 4, 2007 Actually he has only offended you two and people like myself, therefore he has done no wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #143 October 4, 2007 QuoteQuote ...and I will take my one warning now Billvon Somehow, I think after calling me stupid and Nealtx a Racist in 2 posts one right after another added to your history of PA, you are going to get a little more than a warning. I have just deleted three responces to this and his/her posts. Not worth it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
